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Everyone's gotten into name branding as justification for charging based on the name.  That and the Food Networks are making everyone think a steak is not just a steak and a hamburger is not just a hamburger if a name is associated with it.  Using that philosophy, they charge what the market will bear and since people are on vacation even though everyone complains, people will pay it.  Heaven forbid they bring an IN n Out on board and start charging for their hamburgers (even though they are pretty good for a hamburger). 

We usually go to all inclusive resorts because the locales are nice, the service is very good, and the food and drinks are good.  Typically the food is local dishes made with local products, but they also offer a variety of other cuisines based on their clientele.  At the all inclusives we frequent the guests are mainly European so it is typically American and European standard fare.  In Hawaii, it is usually  Asian.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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11 hours ago, Toyman55 said:

Everyone's gotten into name branding as justification for charging based on the name.  That and the Food Networks are making everyone think a steak is not just a steak and a hamburger is not just a hamburger if a name is associated with it.  Using that philosophy, they charge what the market will bear and since people are on vacation even though everyone complains, people will pay it.  Heaven forbid they bring an IN n Out on board and start charging for their hamburgers (even though they are pretty good for a hamburger). 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

While I agree with the premise here, which would explain the chargers for Johnny Rockets, for instance, Carnival has Guy's Burger Joint and now his new BBQ restaurant, and they don't charge extra for it, so it can be done. Carnival also tends to be less expensive and offers a better array of included dining options during the day, in my opinion. 

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I'm not paying an upcharge for nachos and potato skins on a cruise ship.  If I'm going to pay more for food on a vacation, it's going to be for an experience that wows me like Chef's Table, Chops or 150.  If I want fried food or chips and dip that badly, then I'm going to support the local economy of the place I'm visiting.  I ain't paying Royal for that.

This is yet another continuation of a nickel-and-diming trend I'm getting less and less patient with.  I'm the sort who budgets a whole vacation and prefers to pay over time and up front for everything so I don't have to have a care in the world while I'm actually on vacation and there will be no big surprise bills at the end to close out my vacation on a sour note.  I do not enjoy spending money WHILE on vacation.  I want all of that sorted before I put my flip flops on.  Cruising Royal used to accommodate me on that, but that's becoming less and less so.

And not only are they adding more for-pay options, they're degrading their complementary offerings too.  I've noticed a distinct nose dive in food quality from the MDR and Windjammer on ships with more specialty restaurants and upcharges.  And there's that rumor they're going to nuke the drink package benefits on Coco Cay soon.  Gotta squeeze the guests more for that water park . . .

If I have to shift my vacation dollars to all-inclusive land resorts or start taking a fresh look at the other cruise lines competing with Royal but offering more for the money without all the nickel and diming, then that's what's going to happen.  It's certainly looking that way more and more.

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1 hour ago, Orange Crush said:

And not only are they adding more for-pay options, they're degrading their complementary offerings too.  I've noticed a distinct nose dive in food quality from the MDR and Windjammer on ships with more specialty restaurants and upcharges. 

That pretty much echos what @karl_nj was saying in another thread a few days ago....

 

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On ‎3‎/‎28‎/‎2018 at 12:51 PM, monctonguy said:

I think this is the thoughts/feelings of a lot of people.

 

I have a feeling if I was to take a cruise on NCL or Carnival I would be blown away at the food options included compared to Royal.

I don't care if these cost a little for me to be able to have food like this after a night in the casino is a great thing now royal could give out credits for free food too the gamers rather then free drinks it would be fine with me plus you get a 795 disc unless they charge the stated prices plus 18%

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Not sure what a 795 disc is......

 

Free drinks are worth more than free food usually.....so a better deal.

 

I wouldn't say these things cost a little.....and it sounds like other cruise lines have a lot more complimentary and late night food options.....that was my point and the point/feelings of many others as well.

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Carnival ain't no picnic either and they are also adjusting their onboard MDR experience which is one of many reasons why I opened my eyes to look past them and try Royal a couple years ago.  Other than formal night they stopped using table clothes in the MDR and you eat off a plywood table that wasn't designed to be used without a tablecloth much like a country barn experience.

I will say that Guy's Burgers on Carnival blows away Johnny Rockets which has become a WJ burger and fries with something like a sauce trying to resemble what you get in a JR land restaurant but not pulling it off very well.  On more than one night on a Carnival cruise I skipped the poor MDR experience and just had Guy's Burgers for dinner which are included.

Food is such a personal experience.  What I think is terrible (sushi) other people crave. 

In many ways Walmart of the Seas (Carnival) is dragging the industry down with it.  Cheap cruises come with cheap onboard experiences.  The competition can't price themselves too much higher or people will jump ship and accept the poor Carnival experience knowing they paid less for it.  For many people cheap is best and their expectations are lower because the price is lower.  No one walks into Walmart expecting it to be a Nordstrom.  That leaves better cruise lines having to find ways to cut corners to keep the price gap small enough for people to remain loyal.  The downside is people expect better because it's more money.  It's very hard to find the balance between better but not much more costly to deliver.

For me, Royal is still better and worth the additional cost if for no other reason than to avoid cruising with carnies.  YMMV.

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finally someone went out on a limb and risk the wrath of the carnymartians thank you Twangster for telling it like it is to me a trip on a carnival boat is like a trip to wall mart complete with the wallmartians I feel that Royal is taking the dangerous business attitude that if you don't like it go away there are others behind you who want your spot but as always happens eventually there is no one waiting Royal has a great buffer though and as I see it appears to be shifting focus to the Asian market. I for one have 2 cruises with royal at the end of this year but in the mean time I am going to take a investigative look into getting what I pay for I can only suggest that Royal take a long hard look at what they are doing and stop throwing stuff against the wall to see if it will stick it truly annoys the people who have remained loyal to royal all these years

 

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Ironically, Carnival just released information about new complimentary late night dining options as Royal is introducing paid options. 

While I do believe Royal provides a better product overall, I haven't found my recent cruises on Carnival to be interior to Royal especially if you're comparing the experience to the non Freedom, Oasis, and Anthem class ships. They have better complimentary did options, better comedy club options, more affordable sushi options, and better poolside movie options. Their main theater shows are inferior thought in my opinion and I like Royal's staterooms, staff, fellow passengers, design, and choice of specialty restaurants better. 

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With all these changes..Royal has not made their offerings BETTER...all they have done is charged more for more options and taken away less complimentary options.

 

I am not saying there has to be a race to the bottom, but Royal had a good product that offered those people who WANTED to pay more some extras the opportunity but also made sure that everyone had lots of included options. This now is not such the case.

 

Royal already consistently charges more than Carnival just to cruise on their ships, never mind the extras once on board. So I wouldn't say they are cutting corners to make it more affordable .If anything, Royal is consistently upping the cost of cruising with them even for the basics often included elsewhere.

 

It wasn't broken before..they really didn't need to fix it.

 

The only thing that has changed in the past 5 years or so is the push to MEGA ships and those huge costs have to be recouped somehow!

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