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Getting excited as we inch closer to April 12th...hoping Navigator sailings get posted earlier in the week and not end of week!!  Funny, I looked at the cruise planner for my November cruise and since I was supposed to be on the Navigator for April 18, 2022...it says my cruise itinerary is LA to Catalina Island to Encenada!!   Now I just hope that April cruise gets moved this week to Freedom and our 12 staterooms (7 JS and 5 Spac Balc) will still be on same deck in close proximity!

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40 minutes ago, PPPJJ-GCVAB said:

Getting excited as we inch closer to April 12th...hoping Navigator sailings get posted earlier in the week and not end of week!!  Funny, I looked at the cruise planner for my November cruise and since I was supposed to be on the Navigator for April 18, 2022...it says my cruise itinerary is LA to Catalina Island to Encenada!!   Now I just hope that April cruise gets moved this week to Freedom and our 12 staterooms (7 JS and 5 Spac Balc) will still be on same deck in close proximity!

You are getting a sneak peek into Navigator's future schedule from her new home.

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1 hour ago, IRMO12HD said:

Possible update -- Cruise Planner for my reservation on Navigator for 29 November - 3 December 2021 (**WAS FLL-Nassau - Coco Cay - FLL) now shows as "Cancelled" but with a new itinerary -- LOS ANGELES, CALIFORNIA - CATALINA ISLAND, CALIFORNIA - ENSENADA, MEXICO) in the title box.  

Another piece of the puzzle.

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Ah! These posts are getting me excited! I also hope they release the itineraries earlier in the week versus making us wait until mid-week or end of week. Don't pull a 3/29 again ? 

I am wondering about how the 3/4/5 day sailings will be setup... will they do them in order? Like first sailing will be 3 nights, then 4 nights, then 5 nights, then 3 nights, 4 nights, 5 nights? Any thoughts on that? I am looking for the 5-nighter, ideally before Thanksgiving assuming they sail at the beginning of November.

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57 minutes ago, johnt83 said:

Ah! These posts are getting me excited! I also hope they release the itineraries earlier in the week versus making us wait until mid-week or end of week. Don't pull a 3/29 again ? 

I am wondering about how the 3/4/5 day sailings will be setup... will they do them in order? Like first sailing will be 3 nights, then 4 nights, then 5 nights, then 3 nights, 4 nights, 5 nights? Any thoughts on that? I am looking for the 5-nighter, ideally before Thanksgiving assuming they sail at the beginning of November.

I would expect 7 night voyages for holidays and other peak times with less frequent 5 night voyages that don't follow a pattern.  I would anticipate she'll mostly follow a 3 /4 rotation. 

 

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16 minutes ago, twangster said:

I would expect 7 night voyages for holidays and other peak times with less frequent 5 night voyages that don't follow a pattern.  I would anticipate she'll mostly follow a 3 /4 rotation. 

 

Thanks twangster. I would be okay with the 4-nighters as well. I think 3 is too short! We'll see what options become available when itineraries are released. Definitely booking/depositing the day they are released though!!

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The 3 nighters are to capture the weekend folks who want a quick and easy get away without significant impact to the work week or PTO.  Same as Florida really.  

4 night will depart Mondays

3 night will depart Fridays

Expect 7 nights for things like Thanksgiving, Christmas, NYE, etc.  These will carry a premium as holidays cruises always do.  

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7 minutes ago, twangster said:

The 3 nighters are to capture the weekend folks who want a quick and easy get away without significant impact to the work week or PTO.  Same as Florida really.  

4 night will depart Mondays

3 night will depart Fridays

Expect 7 nights for things like Thanksgiving, Christmas, NYE, etc.  These will carry a premium as holidays cruises always do.  

Sounds good to me. Thinking of doing a 4 or 5-night cruise first followed by a 2-day visit to the happiest place on Earth in November.

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@twangsterLooks like you're spot on with the 3 and 4-night itinerary predictions. I was checking Nav sailing in the Caribbean and all 3-nighters leave on Fridays and 4-nighters on Mondays. I so wish I lived in South Florida or LA... nothing like getting off of work early on a Friday and sailing away on a ship for a few nights before returning Monday morning and back to work...that's the life... one day... I am up here in Seattle and we've only been lucky once with a 3-nighter back in September 2018 on Explorer of the Seas. Left Friday, day at sea and Victoria and came back Monday morning... miss it and wish they did it more often up here in the Pacific Northwest.

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sea-distances.org suggests the times below based on an average speed of 15 knots.  If she leaves Miami on Oct. 15:

Way 1: Oct. 26 
Way 2: Nov. 19 
Way 3: Nov. 19 

Way #1

Distance 4151 nautical miles VIA Panama Canal
Vessel speed 15 knots
Time 11 days 13 hours

Way #2

Distance 12536 nautical miles VIA Strait of Magellan
Vessel speed 15 knots
Time 34 days 20 hours

Way #3

Distance 12704 nautical miles VIA Cape Horn
Vessel speed 15 knots
Time 35 days 07 hours

 

Wanna place a bet?

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4 hours ago, twangster said:

sea-distances.org suggests the times below based on an average speed of 15 knots.  If she leaves Miami on Oct. 15:

Way 1: Oct. 26 
Way 2: Nov. 19 
Way 3: Nov. 19 

Way #1

Distance 4151 nautical miles VIA Panama Canal
Vessel speed 15 knots
Time 11 days 13 hours

Way #2

Distance 12536 nautical miles VIA Strait of Magellan
Vessel speed 15 knots
Time 34 days 20 hours

Way #3

Distance 12704 nautical miles VIA Cape Horn
Vessel speed 15 knots
Time 35 days 07 hours

 

Wanna place a bet?

Before POLA took down their schedule they where showing a late October arrival NOS. Any new info on dry dock when and where?

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I love all the Florida and East Coasters who say they would prefer NOS 7-Nights from LA because 3 and 4 nighters seem too short for a plane trip that far. Now they know how we West Coasters think.
NOS 3 and 4 Like in Miami will get the LA locals, but 7-Nights or more will draw even the Rockies to LA.
Denver and Salt Lake are major airports with Non-Stops to LAX. Much preferred to Long Beach (LGB) for Carnival.
I will so welcome RCL to SoCal. Not just because it gives us a local option, but because it gives us a local option of the best cruise line. 

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2 hours ago, RoyalLaker said:

Before POLA took down their schedule they where showing a late October arrival NOS. Any new info on dry dock when and where?

No new info but there is verbiage in the CARB regulations that allows ships to port without shore power on limited basis and more verbiage surrounding "Vessel Incidents Events" in reference to not using shore power and VIEs have an angle that includes events as a percentage of events from the previous year.  

Then I found a reference to a proposed rule in 2019 that would waive the requirement until 2023 for a ship that had never visited CA in the past but it's not clear if that proposed rule was adopted in full or in part.

Suffice it to say there are a lot of nuances to CARB (and shore power) beyond the simplified "rules" that get tossed around on internet forums.   

It's not clear to me they need to dry dock before reaching CA and there may have been motivation in the nuances of CARB to arrive late in 2021 and start the 2022 season before dry docking.  

I suspect just before releasing Navigator a few weeks ago they were able to get some clarity to the rules and based on that new wisdom they were able to optimize the deployment to take advantage of some 2021 holiday cruises that always have a premium price. 

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Luckily for me the flight to LA is only 2 hours (from Seattle)... much better than flying across country but we have to do that for other ships such as Symphony and Oasis that we have booked... this likely won't be the only time we do Navigator out of LA... I am sort of tempted to do the b2b for the first time.... 3-night followed by 4-night...followed by Disneyland... not sure if wife will be OK with that but yeah 4 days is so short! I am likely not getting off at any of the ports...

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8 hours ago, twangster said:

No new info but there is verbiage in the CARB regulations that allows ships to port without shore power on limited basis and more verbiage surrounding "Vessel Incidents Events" in reference to not using shore power and VIEs have an angle that includes events as a percentage of events from the previous year.  

Then I found a reference to a proposed rule in 2019 that would waive the requirement until 2023 for a ship that had never visited CA in the past but it's not clear if that proposed rule was adopted in full or in part.

Suffice it to say there are a lot of nuances to CARB (and shore power) beyond the simplified "rules" that get tossed around on internet forums.   

It's not clear to me they need to dry dock before reaching CA and there may have been motivation in the nuances of CARB to arrive late in 2021 and start the 2022 season before dry docking.  

I suspect just before releasing Navigator a few weeks ago they were able to get some clarity to the rules and based on that new wisdom they were able to optimize the deployment to take advantage of some 2021 holiday cruises that always have a premium price. 

I'm little surprised at the proposed rule, i'll have to look into that. Nuances? I think you are too kind in choice of words.?  I know the port and city have approved rebates programs to entice cruise lines back. 

56 minutes ago, johnt83 said:

Luckily for me the flight to LA is only 2 hours (from Seattle)... much better than flying across country but we have to do that for other ships such as Symphony and Oasis that we have booked... this likely won't be the only time we do Navigator out of LA... I am sort of tempted to do the b2b for the first time.... 3-night followed by 4-night...followed by Disneyland... not sure if wife will be OK with that but yeah 4 days is so short! I am likely not getting off at any of the ports...

I would recommend looking into a direct to Long Beach. 

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12 hours ago, SpeedNoodles said:

I'm from the Upper Midwest, so I fly no matter what.  The difference is, while there are 3-4 nighters from Miami as well, there are also OTHER choices of longer sailings out of the East Coast to choose from.  Not so on the West Coast if  you want to stick to Royal Caribbean.

I'm hoping that this goes well for them and they expand their offerings on the West Coast in the future.

I'm from the Midwest as well and your right we have to fly no matter what.  But you should let the fact that most cruise will be 3 or 4 nighters serve as a deterrent.  If you're looking for a 7 night cruise then why not simply combine the 3 and 4 nighter, that is what I intend to do.  I've been waiting for Royal to return to LA and I refuse to sail on Carnival I'm not about to let the fact that most cruises are 3 or 4 nights stop me from booking I'm simply going to book a B2B.  

 

Hopefully later this decade Royal will consider home-porting  another ship in LA that will do longer cruises down the Baja Peninsula and offer more Panama Canal options, but for now I'll take what I can get and create my own 7 night cruise.  

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There are limited ports and multiple cruise lines competing for slots so it's not so simple as Royal doing exactly what it wants to do but having to adapt to what is possible. 

What we know so far:

3 night - Ensenada

4 night - Catalina and Ensenada 

5 night - Cabo San Lucas and Ensenada

7 night - Cabo San Lucas, Mazatlan, Puerto Vallarta

So basically similar to other lines for the same reasons.  There is only so much that is possible from this part of California while keeping the cruises aimed at the target market. 

I think we'll see more 5 night itineraries begin to cycle into the rotation into and beyond the summer of 2022.  

The 3 /4 rotation is the bread and butter of the short cruise market because it captures the crowd that is looking for a weekend getaway.  Keep in mind roughly 50% on any given sailing tend to be new to cruise so the 3 / 4 satisfies this market segment as new guests test cruising to see if they like it.  

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