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As SB-426 advances in committee for discussion tomorrow it has received some changes and new verbiage specifically denying a local ballot initiative or referendum from restricting maritime commerce.  Might as well call this the "No Key West You Can Not Ban Cruise Ships Act".

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Sunset from Mallory Square isn't bad either.

Really a bummer, but at the same time that island can be really packed (like Saint Thomas, Nassau, others).  It's certainly a debatable, subjective opinion and everyone has different preferences.... I

What gets me are the people who think Key West is some sleepy little town that without cruise ships will go back to being Hemingway-esque. You have an international airport, spring breakers up th

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Cruise industry lackeys in Legislature dismiss the people’s will | Miami Herald

 

Interesting article by the Miami Herald, detailing the real concerns that Key West citizen have...that really have not been discussed, in many places. Very similar concern, to those in Hawaii, when the Hawaiian Express Ferry was trying to start up, with inter-island services. I recall the uproar of that...and see similar modes in plays here.

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13 minutes ago, Matt said:

Good lord that title.

Glad to see yellow journalism is still alive and well.

That's all you got out of that...not the crust or thesis, of the issue that citizens have, that was apparently legally voted on. Well, not sure how or why that "linked title" appears...it was not part of the original title of the article or the link, when I linked it here.

 

Still, interesting and informative article imo.... 

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On one hand he cites public safety and only 9 ICU beds for COVID patients as the reason why ships should be banned forever but later he goes on to explain how great it is and how vibrant tourism is on the island which is currently packed with tourist not wearing masks.  

Clearly seems to be of the opinion that the virus is only spread on cruise ships.  He must work for the CDC.  

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27 minutes ago, twangster said:

On one hand he cites public safety and only 9 ICU beds for COVID patients as the reason why ships should be banned forever but later he goes on to explain how great it is and how vibrant tourism is on the island which is currently packed with tourist not wearing masks.  

I'd point out the Key West amendments that voters banned on had nothing to do with covid. It was all about environmental impact.

I know it's neither here nor there.

1 hour ago, Zambia-Zaire said:

 Well, not sure how or why that "linked title" appears...it was not part of the original title of the article or the link, when I linked it here.

You did in fact post the title

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Also, Herald needs to add OP-ED to its titles, as NYT, WP and plenty of other newspapers do.

 

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16 minutes ago, Matt said:

I'd point out the Key West amendments that voters banned on had nothing to do with covid. It was all about environmental impact.

 

The article is about the environmental impact....that the whole & complete thesis presented. The article only casually briefly mentioned Covid. Not sure will that the focus of rebuttal, when it's not the focus of the article.

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3 hours ago, Zambia-Zaire said:

Matt, It came up on it's own like that...I did not post the link like that. I just linked it & this what automatically appeared, "lackeys.....". Did not notice til your comment.

See screenshot below - The text comes from the tab at the top, not the text of the article.  Whether it was written by the author or the webmaster of the Miami Herald is impossible to tell.  But when you post a link, that's what gets used.

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I liked Key West as a cruise stop, it’s like the perfect amount of time there...and it’s way better than say, Nassau.  I’ve been to Key West a few times, both on a cruise and for a week long vacation once, the week there was too much, could’ve done more like a long weekend, but stopping for a day on a cruise is nice.

I don’t think the people that own the businesses by where the cruise ships dock don’t want us there...unfortunately they were apparently out-voted.

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4 hours ago, Geoff P said:

I liked Key West as a cruise stop, it’s like the perfect amount of time there...and it’s way better than say, Nassau.  I’ve been to Key West a few times, both on a cruise and for a week long vacation once, the week there was too much, could’ve done more like a long weekend, but stopping for a day on a cruise is nice.

I don’t think the people that own the businesses by where the cruise ships dock don’t want us there...unfortunately they were apparently out-voted.

The wealthier “conchs” don’t want tourists on “their” island and unfortunately are very influential in our local island politics. The venders who own shops that cater to the cruisers as well as the restaurants along the Duval corridor have a different opinion. 

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On 3/9/2021 at 11:49 AM, Zambia-Zaire said:

The article is about the environmental impact....that the whole & complete thesis presented. The article only casually briefly mentioned Covid. Not sure will that the focus of rebuttal, when it's not the focus of the article.

This isn't about the environmental impact, Key West is more than happy to accept smaller cruise ships or should I say cruise ships that cater to a high end "luxury" clientele.  Now day it is so easy to hide behind the environmental  claim but when you dig deeper you realize what what some people Key West want and don't want.  The sad part of all this is this decision will have unintended consequences on small business that depended on cruise lines like Royal Caribbean or Disney to stay afloat.  What will happen is those business will eventually be push out in favor of more high end luxury and ultra luxury shops that will cater to the smaller cruise ships that will still be allowed into Key West.  At some point this way of thinking will spill over and effect the entire island if everyday people don't stand up to stop it.  If allowed to continue Key West could easily become an exclusive playground for the ultra rich all under the guise of  we are trying to limit the "environmental impact".  

 

If you want to truly limit the environmental impact they would ban ALL cruise ships not just cruise ship with more than 1300 passengers.

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I think too in a state where so much comes from tourism it's a slippery slope when individual communities establish rules that threatened and reduce one of the biggest economies of the state - tourism.

If any local city can create rules that restrict businesses using a ballot measure then a wealthy business owner can use the process to benefit their business interests.  Next boutique hotel owners start a movement to eliminate all hotels that have more than 10 rooms in KW.  Put enough money into this campaign and you too can use ballot measures to ban select businesses so it benefits your business interests. Get rid of those big hotels!  They just clog the streets with gas guzzling cars that ruin the air.

What if rich people in Naples wanted to isolate their community from tourists? Create a toll road that charges $45 to non residents per day to access their community.  Ballot measure!   Then some wealthy people in another area make it difficult for tourists to use "their" beach. Ballot measure!   Then another community decides cruise ships in "their" port can be a cash cow so they add a $100 fee per guest to profit from them.  Why should these big cruise companies make all the money? Ballot measure!

Once you let local ballot measures target and ban select businesses it can quickly spiral out of control.  No fishing boats under 28' (because a wealthy business owner has a fleet of 30' boats). 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, twangster said:

Once you let local ballot measures target and ban select businesses it can quickly spiral out of control.  No fishing boats under 28' (because a wealthy business owner has a fleet of 30' boats). 

When I was on Allure in Roatan, crew were fishing off the ship. So Allure is basically a 1188’ fishing boat. 

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I've lived in a tourist beach town.  The traffic and crowds are no fun. 

It changes the way you plan your day, avoiding traffic jams that would make a quick trip to see the dentist or shop at a store into a 2 hour affair to get home if you have to use a highway that will be jammed with tourists on a Friday or Sunday afternoon.  If there is an accident forget it, don't think about going anywhere, just hunker down and wait until the damn tourists to be gone.

I had a job that required I travel around the state.  I'd plan my business meetings so I wouldn't be on certain roads coming home on certain days.  Tourists are a pain in the *&#.

Nothing would be nicer than to ban tourists from beaches so the local can enjoy them exclusively.  Easy parking, no crowds.  Perfect.

Think of the savings to the environment if thousands of cars aren't blowing exhaust all over the place.

What if Florida just banned all tourists?  Then all the locals could enjoy beaches and amusement parks without the dang crowds. 

Perhaps Hawaii should ban tourists as well.  Plus other touristy areas around the country.  Ban all tourists or find ways to severely limit them so locals can enjoy their communities absent of crowds.   

Sorry to all the businesses and employees that will impacted, but locals should be able to exclusively enjoy their communities.

This is the start of that effort.  

 

 

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