MrMarc

They probably have read the comments and realize they are not going to get the sympathy they were seeking, even in this nice place.  I hope they don't try it in the other place, it might get brutal.

There will always be people who think that the rules dont apply to them! You only have to look at these threads when people have a moan about something then finish off by saying they are pinnacle, diamond or upside down pineapple because they think that status gives them a god given right to be above others 

What's the other place??  Purely for entertainment purposes lol.

They probably have read the comments and realize they are not going to get the sympathy they were seeking, even in this nice place.  I hope they don't try it in the other place, it might get brutal.

You mean they kept you with the people you had already been sailing with until you got into the port, where you were supposed to go directly to your tour? The "bubble" doesn't start until you are with your tour group, and they assume grown ups will act like grown ups and follow the rule.  Just because you can't seem to follow very simple instructions, don't tell other people they can or should act like you do.

The “bubble” tour is just a ticket off the ship to meet CDC requirements. It’s any Royal Caribbean excursion and you can freely roam or do your own tour once off. It’s not an actual bubble as you are mixed with thousands of other passengers for long periods of time, at least for disembarkation process and even worse on tender days.

I wish you would stop telling people that.  Caribbean nations are trying to rebuild while keeping their citizens safe.  Stop telling people they can just sneak out once in port!!🤬🤬

Thank you!
 

In reading the order, it sounds like the CDC is actually trying to work with the cruise lines.  They also sound committed to moving to a totally voluntary system in January.  I am sure there will be many skeptics, but I don't think there was any need to say it if that wasn't their intent.  And I think that 3 months is a reasonable amount of time to work towards such a system.  It also keeps the current protocols in force over the holiday cruises.  However I will admit that I have been a supporter of the CDC, so I am probably trying to put a positive spin on it.  I have no doubt that others may not see it this way. But this seems more of a compromise than I expected.

Also important, and oft-"overlooked," point: COVID-19 causes myocarditis. I didn't dig to find the studies, but there are studies out there that show the risk of myocarditis from COVID-19 is higher than the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine.
Some additional source info: Study: Myocarditis risk 37 times higher for children with COVID-19 than uninfected peers | American Academy of Pediatrics (aappublications.org)

I just called them and they took care of it.  Thanks again.

I am going to make a prediction that has no basis in fact.   I predict the February protocols will require children to be vaccinated and that the mask requirements/recommendations will be relaxed inside, unless there is a new increase in cases.  If there is, I would expect the mask rules to remain the same, they are not going to change something that is working.  And like it or not, agree with it or not, it is working.  They would be kind of silly to say "this is working, but let's change it and see if people get sick or die."

I am going to make a prediction that has no basis in fact.   I predict the February protocols will require children to be vaccinated and that the mask requirements/recommendations will be relaxed inside, unless there is a new increase in cases.  If there is, I would expect the mask rules to remain the same, they are not going to change something that is working.  And like it or not, agree with it or not, it is working.  They would be kind of silly to say "this is working, but let's change it and see if people get sick or die."

I am going to make a prediction that has no basis in fact.   I predict the February protocols will require children to be vaccinated and that the mask requirements/recommendations will be relaxed inside, unless there is a new increase in cases.  If there is, I would expect the mask rules to remain the same, they are not going to change something that is working.  And like it or not, agree with it or not, it is working.  They would be kind of silly to say "this is working, but let's change it and see if people get sick or die."

I am going to make a prediction that has no basis in fact.   I predict the February protocols will require children to be vaccinated and that the mask requirements/recommendations will be relaxed inside, unless there is a new increase in cases.  If there is, I would expect the mask rules to remain the same, they are not going to change something that is working.  And like it or not, agree with it or not, it is working.  They would be kind of silly to say "this is working, but let's change it and see if people get sick or die."

I am going to make a prediction that has no basis in fact.   I predict the February protocols will require children to be vaccinated and that the mask requirements/recommendations will be relaxed inside, unless there is a new increase in cases.  If there is, I would expect the mask rules to remain the same, they are not going to change something that is working.  And like it or not, agree with it or not, it is working.  They would be kind of silly to say "this is working, but let's change it and see if people get sick or die."

I think the value of the key varies on how many people are in your room.  I always cruise solo, and the price of the key has been near, ore even lower, than the price voom by itself or the cost of voom when added to a drink package.  On my upcoming cruise Voom has been as high as $23, but right now it's $15.99 or adds $14 to the drink package.  The Key was only !9.99, so I got it.  But if you have more than one person in the cabin, the Voom multi device packages start effectively increasing the daily cost of the Key.   If I am flying to the cruise, just a place to drop off my carry on is worth a lot to me.   So as a solo cruiser, and as long as the key is $19.99 or less, it has had enough value to me in the past, and still will with the new changes.   I will miss the lunch, but if I wake up at 3 am and want something to eat, I won't have to worry about the additional $7.50 over the tip.   But I think the value goes down as you have more people in your cabin.

Just realize, it seems that most people are assuming that all of these protocols stem from the CDC order.  None of us have any idea what any cruise line would do even if there were absolutely no recommendations or requirements.  Most people are assuming that they would do what they think is correct.  Unless you are the CEO of a cruise line, that is not a logical assumption.

Just realize, it seems that most people are assuming that all of these protocols stem from the CDC order.  None of us have any idea what any cruise line would do even if there were absolutely no recommendations or requirements.  Most people are assuming that they would do what they think is correct.  Unless you are the CEO of a cruise line, that is not a logical assumption.

Just realize, it seems that most people are assuming that all of these protocols stem from the CDC order.  None of us have any idea what any cruise line would do even if there were absolutely no recommendations or requirements.  Most people are assuming that they would do what they think is correct.  Unless you are the CEO of a cruise line, that is not a logical assumption.

In reading the order, it sounds like the CDC is actually trying to work with the cruise lines.  They also sound committed to moving to a totally voluntary system in January.  I am sure there will be many skeptics, but I don't think there was any need to say it if that wasn't their intent.  And I think that 3 months is a reasonable amount of time to work towards such a system.  It also keeps the current protocols in force over the holiday cruises.  However I will admit that I have been a supporter of the CDC, so I am probably trying to put a positive spin on it.  I have no doubt that others may not see it this way. But this seems more of a compromise than I expected.

In reading the order, it sounds like the CDC is actually trying to work with the cruise lines.  They also sound committed to moving to a totally voluntary system in January.  I am sure there will be many skeptics, but I don't think there was any need to say it if that wasn't their intent.  And I think that 3 months is a reasonable amount of time to work towards such a system.  It also keeps the current protocols in force over the holiday cruises.  However I will admit that I have been a supporter of the CDC, so I am probably trying to put a positive spin on it.  I have no doubt that others may not see it this way. But this seems more of a compromise than I expected.

I just returned from a 14n west bound transatlantic crossing on Celebrity Apex. Up until a day before boarding, Apex had a no-mask policy outdoors and indoors. I received an email from Celebrity the day before the sail date announcing masks would be required, regardless of vax status, both indoors and outdoors except when dining or drinking.
I learned 2nd hand that the reason for this change was that on the sailing just before ours - 7n transit from Piraeus (Athens) via a few Greek Isle stops to Barcelona - there were 7 positive COVID tests among both passengers and crew. There were 56 close contacts identified and quarantined. 
First, cruise ships most likely have unpublished protocols that determine what mitigation measures are required aboard based on certain metrics or the COVID policies of nations they are calling on (BTW, Spain requires masking on all commercial conveyances and this may have been playing a part as well). In this case some number of positive tests among guests and crew may have triggered the indoor masking mitigation measure. Alternatively, mitigation measures within the EU suffer from a dizzying number of options. We had just sailed from Piraeus on Apex in August. Despite Greece formally requiring masks in doors in restaurants, bars, ferryrs and so forth, They weren't required in doors on Apex for that sailing. See the helpful link below to sort through these.
The reason I'm posting here is to relate one crew members take on the positives - all Europeans - on the cruise just prior to mine. I rarely if ever hear a Celebrity Crew member say anything disparaging about other passengers or crew policies. So, I was surprised to hear a server in Al Bacio (Celebrity's version of Starbucks) go off about how irresponsible and disrespectful of other passengers and crew that those passengers who had somehow contracted COVID were. The sentiment was that clearly those passengers didn't take adequate precautions to avoid getting sick.
That may or may not be true. I also think this crew member was aware of other specifics, she did not disclose to me .... antimaskers?), about how these 7 got infected such specifics casting doubts about how safety conscious they had been before boarding. The point is that this crew member - sample size of one but they talk among each other so I'm assuming this is a wide spread sentiment - are very aware of the risks of passengers who either unknowingly or knowingly take risks that increases their potential to get COVID.
Why is that? Well, this server was one of the 56 contacts. She was quarantined for 10 days and tested twice before getting released back to work. Crew hate quarantine. They did it on joining ship's staff for 2 weeks, hate it, and hate being sent back into it because of some passenger who she believes - maybe for good reason - behaved in risky ways and got infected. 
So, yes, crew are watching the behaviors of passengers and fellow crew members. They care deeply about their jobs and hate missing work and the potential of getting sent home if they become infected. It behooves us to respect those fears and do what we can to keep ourselves from being exposed and potentially infecting them and the consequences they will suffer because of that.
https://reopen.europa.eu/en  

I think there is a 100% chance it is extended.  But my guess is that it won't change except for requiring children to be vaccinated since that should be approved next week for Pfitzer.  It seems to be working, so I do not think they will change it.  It would be interesting to see them remove the penalties and word it as a recommendation, which would end the Florida lawsuit as moot without a decision that could permanently affect them. 

And I and my customer's opinion is different.  That's why I don't think we can assume anything about what the crew would want.  I don't know that they would be honest if asked.  I'm just a little embarrassed that I had never thought about it until this thread.