RCIfan1912 Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 Do you expect more refurbishment news for other ships other than Allure with how well Royal Caribbean is doing now financially? We absolutely LOVE Liberty OTS and have 3 booked including a back to back but she could use some love and attention plus Coke freestyle machines. I don't see why opening in her schedule though that would make that possible so I guess that's an indication. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 I expect the news much closer to the actual refurb. I say that because in the Royal Amplification days the specific details of an amplification were announced closer to the start of the work being done. Royal has always been cagey about their refurbishments. They tend to play it "close to the vest" until they can't anymore. Jmccaffrey, RCIfan1912, Doug_Texas and 6 others 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCIfan1912 Posted March 4 Author Report Share Posted March 4 1 minute ago, Matt said: I expect the news much closer to the actual refurb. I say that because in the Royal Amplification days the specific details of an amplification were announced closer to the start of the work being done. Royal has always been cagey about their refurbishments. They tend to play it "close to the vest" until they can't anymore. Ah so there is some hope. Thanks and I hope some of the older ships get some upgrades and some love. Gilley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted March 4 Report Share Posted March 4 I Recon Quantum will be getting a pretty good makeover in November ,it’s off to California. RCIfan1912 and WAAAYTOOO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J_Keeble Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 On 3/4/2024 at 7:41 PM, Chili said: I Recon Quantum will be getting a pretty good makeover in November ,it’s off to California. with Quantum coming upto what 9/10 years old soon? it would be good to see a few new concepts maybe, id still love to see a playmakers in the seaplex but think this may be too difficult with galleys etc and making the pods larger @twangster any thoughts as your rationale is usually spot on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamesszy94 Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 I think Explorer, Liberty and Adventure are/were also supposed to be getting amplification's too, but noone knows when. I think they already did a small amplification/upgrade for Explorer earlier this year or sometime last year if I remember correctly. I made a similar post a while ago - some good insights. RCIfan1912 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 2 hours ago, J_Keeble said: with Quantum coming upto what 9/10 years old soon? it would be good to see a few new concepts maybe, id still love to see a playmakers in the seaplex but think this may be too difficult with galleys etc and making the pods larger @twangster any thoughts as your rationale is usually spot on. I don't think they will do very much to Quantum guest areas. The dry dock is being performed due to required maritime maintenance every 5 years until a ship is 20 years old then every 2.5 years. That is the primary reason for the dry dock. The required maintenance is the basis to maintain the certificate to sail. Without the prescribed scheduled maintenance the certificate to carry passengers would be revoked. It's not unusual for some additional work to be performed to guests areas during a dry dock because the ship is empty of guests. When Anthem was scheduled to go into dry dock in 2020 before the pandemic happened Royal flat out stated there would be no meaningful updates to guests areas. They might replace things like broken floor tiles but there would be no new venues. During my January 2020 cruise on Anthem they replaced all the carpet in the Windjammer doing sections every night while the WJ was closed. This was months before her scheduled dry dock in May of 2020. The point being that replacing carpet doesn't require a dry dock. Carpet is routinely replaced all the time as required over the lifecycle of the ship. Quantum, Anthem and Ovation are one year in age apart. Once onboard they are nearly identical to each other. In many places if you were magically teleported between ships you would not be able to tell which ship you were on since they are nearly identical to each other. There are minor differences such as the name of the pool side restaurant. Ovation had this restaurant changed to a Fish & Ships venue during her first Alaskan cruise in 2019. I was onboard and watched them work on it during the cruise. It didn't take a dry dock to get this venue changed, it was done during a regular cruise with guests. On Quantum specifically they may choose to modify this venue in a dry dock, or not. Bilingual signage might be replaced, or not. The SeaPlex pods that hang off the ship where Playmakers is located on Odyssey is wildly different between the original Quantum class and the Quantum Ultra class Odyssey. They would need to do a lot of work making significant structural modifications that would alter the weight and balance of the ship requiring her to be reengineered and recertified. It's possible but it would be costly. Would a PM generate enough new revenue to justify the multi-million dollar modification? Without a PM guests find somewhere else to drink and eat so the investment would need to show that retrofitting a PM would generate new additional revenue that would not otherwise be spent. I doubt they would make this sort of investment on the original Q class ships but who knows? They could maybe find a way install a Teppanyaki venue by displacing the teen/kids club area. That would require some infrastructure such as plumbing and electrical to support a food venue in a place that doesn't have that infrastructure currently. Would such an investment generate new additional revenue or would it simply drain revenue away from the existing specialty dining venues? Royal has data to review from Odyssey to see if Teppanyaki has created new revenue or reduced the revenue from the other venues. If the amount of new revenue is minor it's difficult to justify adding a Teppanyaki to the original Q class (non-Ultra). My gut is telling me that the original Q class ships won't receive meaningful updates to guest areas. If a ship does not yet have shore power capability that will likely be added during a dry dock. This type of modification may be best done with the ship completely dark, no power. A dry dock while doing other required scheduled maritime maintenance is an ideal time to slip in a few days to add shore power capability. Quantum needs shore power capability to operate from California so if she hasn't already had this added, it will be added during this dry dock. I think they will find a way to refresh Allure and Explorer. Adventure is mostly "amplified" already, they just need to some minor stuff to call it a full amp. PM on Voyager class is not required to declare them amplified so I'm not sure Adventure will get a PM. Royal has to be careful as they have told investors they are focused on reducing debt, not so much on amplifications. Yet we all know ships like Allure and Explorer need an update. Liberty and Adventure to a lesser degree but both could use a minor touch up. That's four ships that clearly have a need despite Royal telling investors amplifications have been indefinitely postponed. I suspect they will find a way to quietly update these four ships without the fanfare and telling the worlds about it like the "amplification" program did. Beyond these four ships I don't see newer ships such as Q class getting meaningful changes such as new venues at this time. Jamesszy94, KristiZ, dr martini and 7 others 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billdauterive Posted March 7 Report Share Posted March 7 5 hours ago, twangster said: If a ship does not yet have shore power capability that will likely be added during a dry dock. This type of modification may be best done with the ship completely dark, no power. A dry dock while doing other required scheduled maritime maintenance is an ideal time to slip in a few days to add shore power capability. Quantum needs shore power capability to operate from California so if she hasn't already had this added, it will be added during this dry dock. Great observation. I completely forgot about the California requirement for shore side power. RCIfan1912 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 I would argue Explorer has been amplified without the title in 2023 prior to her European season. In addition to the slides and mini golf update, there was a lot of guest facing work done on the interior so she feels amped. It may not have a Playmakers, but it has Izumi sushi. It’s pretty similar to Voyager which has been amped officially, but didn’t have a lot of significant changes. I’m sure we will see her continue to alternate the exotic Med itineraries and alternating the short/long Caribbean to entice people to go on her. Liberty and Allure could definitely use it. Excited to see the details on Allure’s amplification in 2025. Baked Alaska and RCIfan1912 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 5 hours ago, Austin said: I would argue Explorer has been amplified without the title in 2023 prior to her European season. In addition to the slides and mini golf update, there was a lot of guest facing work done on the interior so she feels amped. It may not have a Playmakers, but it has Izumi sushi. It’s pretty similar to Voyager which has been amped officially, but didn’t have a lot of significant changes. I’m sure we will see her continue to alternate the exotic Med itineraries and alternating the short/long Caribbean to entice people to go on her. Liberty and Allure could definitely use it. Excited to see the details on Allure’s amplification in 2025. Explorer may be an example of the stealth updates they will do in the near term. WAAAYTOOO and BrianB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
F1guynz Posted March 8 Report Share Posted March 8 On 3/5/2024 at 5:41 AM, Chili said: Recon Quantum will be getting a pretty good makeover in November ,it’s off to California. I think the main work they will do is fix the North Star which requires a special crane. One of the robots in the bionic bar needs fixing and it needs a full repaint as the paintwork is shabby, otherwise the interior is in good condition. Maybe they will change Jamie’s Italian into a Giovanni’s Kitchen but I don’t see any major chances, especially as Odyssey is still very similar in design and features apart from Playmakers in the seaplex. i wish they would replace the lifts with destination elevators as lift waiting time is one of the worst features on Quantum ships. I just completed my blog from Quantum this week if you want to have a read. PPPJJ-GCVAB, RCIfan1912 and WAAAYTOOO 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chili Posted March 9 Report Share Posted March 9 On 3/8/2024 at 11:25 PM, F1guynz said: I think the main work they will do is fix the North Star which requires a special crane. One of the robots in the bionic bar needs fixing and it needs a full repaint as the paintwork is shabby, otherwise the interior is in good condition. Maybe they will change Jamie’s Italian into a Giovanni’s Kitchen but I don’t see any major chances, especially as Odyssey is still very similar in design and features apart from Playmakers in the seaplex. i wish they would replace the lifts with destination elevators as lift waiting time is one of the worst features on Quantum ships. I just completed my blog from Quantum this week if you want to have a read. I was thinking a lime and coconut bar and probably something with that snack bar near the pool,Fish and ships or something. Im currently on Celebrity Edge Carl , lovely ship,I could see you in the penthouse. The prices are pretty over the top and the perks are very good. WAAAYTOOO, RCIfan1912 and F1guynz 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zambia-Zaire Posted March 11 Report Share Posted March 11 On 3/8/2024 at 6:25 AM, F1guynz said: Maybe they will change Jamie’s Italian into a Giovanni’s Kitchen but I don’t see any major chances, especially as Odyssey is still very similar in design and features apart from Playmakers in the seaplex. I think Playmakers location would better serve all Quantum Class ships, if it was located where Jamie's Italian & Vintages. Make that whole area Playmakers; would very easily alleviate some foot traffic/crowd in the Promenade. Across from that, swap Tiffany & Co./Bvlgari to the 5th deck promenade or remove it all together and replace it with Spotlight Karaoke. Turn Wonderland into Giovanni's Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monctonguy Posted March 13 Report Share Posted March 13 I was sure I had seen/read somewhere that Liberty is going for updating in 2025? It could use it...as compared to the last few ships I cruised on, its really showing its age and wear/tear for sure. Robert M and RCIfan1912 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCIfan1912 Posted March 13 Author Report Share Posted March 13 4 minutes ago, monctonguy said: I was sure I had seen/read somewhere that Liberty is going for updating in 2025? It could use it...as compared to the last few ships I cruised on, its really showing its age and wear/tear for sure. I hope you are correct. We sailed her last October and loved her, so much fun but she does need love and attention. We are sailing her again this October and then May 2025 too. monctonguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monctonguy Posted March 14 Report Share Posted March 14 We are sailing on her on October 05 to Bermuda. RCIfan1912 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
willdebb Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 What refurbishments will be made on Jewel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Austin Posted April 15 Report Share Posted April 15 Nothing that you will probably notice or see. More of a routine tune up. willdebb and RCIfan1912 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert M Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 Last July when we were on Liberty the Captain said they were looking at 2025 for an amplification but it wasnt set in stone yet. RCIfan1912 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billdauterive Posted April 18 Report Share Posted April 18 11 hours ago, Robert M said: Last July when we were on Liberty the Captain said they were looking at 2025 for an amplification but it wasnt set in stone yet. Liberty is definitely showing some major wear and tear compared to other ships in the fleet. They don't necessarily need a full amp with new venues since it already has the water-slides but it could REALLY use some new furniture and paint. I mean the dining room still has the original green chairs and oval tables on the top 2 levels! Robert M and RCIfan1912 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RCIfan1912 Posted April 18 Author Report Share Posted April 18 11 hours ago, Robert M said: Last July when we were on Liberty the Captain said they were looking at 2025 for an amplification but it wasnt set in stone yet. That would be awesome. We sailed Liberty last Oct and loved her. It was a fun, fun cruise but the shop is showing her age. She just needs love and attention. We sail very again this October, and then May 2025 so it would be interesting to see her transformation between those two cruise if it happens. We sail her again late September 2025 also. J_Keeble 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucky Posted Wednesday at 11:04 PM Report Share Posted Wednesday at 11:04 PM In the event that Allure's refurbishment is a lot like Oasis' and rooms are added, does anyone have any idea when these rooms will go online? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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