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October 15 Allure of the Seas - Itinerary Change

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Just got an email from my travel agent - looks like we will now be visiting San Juan instead of St. Thomas. No idea if any other sailings are affected.

We have updated information about your client’s sailing.

Allure of the Seas currently has a speed restriction that will result in slight adjustments to their itinerary. For their convenience, the updates are noted below. The new port of San Juan, Puerto Rico offers the opportunity to visit the culturally rich city of Old San Juan and the lush rainforest of El Yunque. We apologize for this change, but have no doubt that their vacation will be nothing short of amazing. We can't wait to welcome them onboard.

DAY

PORT

ARRIVAL

DEPARTURE

Sunday

Ft. Lauderdale, FL

 

4:30 p.m.

Monday

Nassau, Bahamas

7:00 a.m.

2:30 p.m.

New Time:

1:00 p.m.

Tuesday

At sea

 

 

Wednesday

NEW PORT:
San Juan, Puerto Rico

12:00 p.m.

8:00 p.m.

Thursday

Philipsburg, St. Maarten

8:00 a.m.

5:00 p.m.

Friday

At sea

 

 

Saturday

At sea

 

 

Sunday

Ft. Lauderdale, FL

6:15 a.m.

 

 

 

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Well, I guess this answers the question about whether or not Allure fixed the propulsion problem(s) it had been experiencing the past couple of sailings....

Personal opinion - I would WAAAY rather visit San Juan than St. Thomas.  I think the schedule change is a GOOD thing but that's just me.

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11 minutes ago, WAAAYTOOO said:

Well, I guess this answers the question about whether or not Allure fixed the propulsion problem(s) it had been experiencing the past couple of sailings....

Personal opinion - I would WAAAY rather visit San Juan than St. Thomas.  I think the schedule change is a GOOD thing but that's just me.

What would you recommend? We had originally planned on the champagne catamaran tour through the ship to Honeymoon Beach to St. John (which we were REALLY excited for!) and were already planning to spend a couple days in San Juan before our Adventure cruise in February.. so now we're just feeling a little bummed about the stop now and would love to find something exciting to do! I have a feeling we'll be seeing the forts and everything in February. 

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5 hours ago, KLAconQueso said:

What would you recommend? We had originally planned on the champagne catamaran tour through the ship to Honeymoon Beach to St. John (which we were REALLY excited for!) and were already planning to spend a couple days in San Juan before our Adventure cruise in February.. so now we're just feeling a little bummed about the stop now and would love to find something exciting to do! I have a feeling we'll be seeing the forts and everything in February. 

Personally, I'd do old San Juan this time, and perhaps the ports or a food tour and save the adventure stuff (no pun intended) for your Adventure precruise where you could go to the rain forest, the luminescent bay, etc. 

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11 hours ago, DocLC said:

Personally, I'd do old San Juan this time, and perhaps the ports or a food tour and save the adventure stuff (no pun intended) for your Adventure precruise where you could go to the rain forest, the luminescent bay, etc. 

I think we're making up our own little culinary tour... 

Mofongo lunch at Mojito's
Pina Coladas at Barrachina
Dessert at Senor Paleta

... any other suggestions? A good place to stop for rum drinks?

We were thinking about cancelling our island tour at St. Maarten in favor of a beach day, but I think we've decided to keep it and spend a couple hours in the afternoon after the tour at the beach near downtown and walk back to the ship around 3:30.

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We got the same email yesterday for our September 3rd sailing.  Our stops were supposed to be Bahamas, St. Thomas and St. Kitts.   San Juan was put in place of St. Kitts, much to my disappointment.  St. Kitts was the only stop that I have not been to before and I was looking forward to seeing the monkeys that apparently like to steal your drink on the beach.

Does anyone know why they are doing this?

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I would be super upset. When we went to san juan we couldn'd believe it was a cruise port. There was nothing to do there, sure there's an old fort and some shops. You can visit those anywhere (ft macon in NC is a much neater fort). You can go do the bacardi rum distillery tour or shop. That was all the excursions (at the time, couple years ago). St. thomas and as you mentioned St John have the prettiest beaches in the caribbean. I don't know maybe I need to give San Juan another chance but I just don't see what there was to like about it especially more than St. Thomas. You must make future plans to make your way to St. John again. It was the prettiest, cleanest beach I've ever seen. 

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19 minutes ago, Jason.H. said:

I would be super upset. When we went to san juan we couldn'd believe it was a cruise port. There was nothing to do there, sure there's an old fort and some shops. You can visit those anywhere (ft macon in NC is a much neater fort). You can go do the bacardi rum distillery tour or shop. That was all the excursions (at the time, couple years ago). St. thomas and as you mentioned St John have the prettiest beaches in the caribbean. I don't know maybe I need to give San Juan another chance but I just don't see what there was to like about it especially more than St. Thomas. You must make future plans to make your way to St. John again. It was the prettiest, cleanest beach I've ever seen. 

I was disappointed at first since we've been planning this for so long, but we're making the best of it! This will already be our second week on board and it's shaping up to be kind of a 'wing it' port where we just go and check out some local food and explore. Not a cruise killer for us! 

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38 minutes ago, Wenderzs99 said:

We got the same email yesterday for our September 3rd sailing.  Our stops were supposed to be Bahamas, St. Thomas and St. Kitts.   San Juan was put in place of St. Kitts, much to my disappointment.  St. Kitts was the only stop that I have not been to before and I was looking forward to seeing the monkeys that apparently like to steal your drink on the beach.

Does anyone know why they are doing this?

There's a propulsion issue with Allure - I'm just grateful sailings haven't been cancelled!

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I just found out yesterday about this for our October 1 sailing.  They took out St. Kitts where we were going to be from 8 to 5 and had booked a great six hour catamaran/snorkeling/rum swizzle/lunch excursion.  And they changed St. Thomas from a 10 to 7 day to a 8 to 5 day on a different day so everything there has to be rebooked!.  And we don't want to go to San Juan again - have been there enough.  At least this time, the ship docks at noon so maybe we might be able to get some sort of a water tour, but it is no substitution for six hours on and in the water that we had in St. Kitts. 

From what I have read, this problem has been occurring with them for a while.  I agree with what has been said before that this should not take so long to fix, but then again, I am not the most mechanical person and know-nothing about ship maintenance, etc. But thousands of people are being inconvenienced by this and not just the passengers.  Shouldn't RC do something for us, their loyal passengers?  

Just my two cents....

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My allure sailing from November 2013 had an issue with one of the azipods but our itinerary was not affected (Western Caribbean). It happens.... Isn't the first time, won't be the last. Like KLA said sure it's disappointing at first but at least the sailings haven't been cancelled.

 

One thing I learned is that when it comes to cruises I never book with my heart set on I have to go to this port. Things can happen and the itinerary gets changed and that's when you get the people who say my cruise has been ruined because I wanted to go to this island 

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If its a propulsion problem I'm assuming ship will need dry dock for repairs. These ships use an electric motor pod directly driving each propeller (so all underwater). Pods can turn 360 degrees to direct propulsion, so no need for a rudder, pretty cool. Diesel generators in engine room provide electric power for drive motors. Now if its a generator problem that should be able to be repaired/replaced in port with some heavy machinery. 

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Here's an explanation that someone posted in the comments on the blog post and why it may take a while to fix

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When the Captain was asked a few weeks back (the week they returned at Midnight and had a plan to sail out at Midnight) - he indicated that they had a team of divers that went under the ship and worked in a enclosed environment (basically an underwater dry dock) - there was damage to one of the 3 propellers. The damage was cut away to help reduce vibrations. A new propeller has been ordered (one can't just get those on Amazon), it's creation time can take up to six months. Once it's created, it will be shipped to Port Everglades where they are going to attempt to replace in the same fashion that the initial fix was done. This is a new technique they have been working on to alleviate having to put the ship into Dry Dock. For now, the Allure has to sail under 20 knots to avoid heavy vibrations (think of driving a car when one of the tires has a giant chunk missing out of it).

 

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We just email today that they are changing our itinerary for this weekend Aug 20..and its thursday..lots of fun on the phone today with Costco excursions they are trying their best to change us around and find venders to accommodate us on our new days new times..we also had excursions through the ship, they are all kinds of screwed up have us leaving for deep sea fishing at 10 am and swimming of a yacht at 945...too short notice for even them to figure out...hope the ship keeps on keeping on!

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Presuming they just don't have a propeller laying around (Not sure it is something you have laying under your bed) the lead time to manufacture on would be at least a month, then you have to ship it (3 weeks by ship and a very expensive flight otherwise which they will probably go for considering operating costs). Then there is planning the fix itself. I imagine they already have a team of divers assembled and are setting up a simulated environment to plan the fix. Having over 1000 dives including some working on repairing fishing boats (Somewhat smaller than Allure :5_smiley:) it is going to be extremely difficult and you would want to prepare for it just like astronauts prepare for a spacewalk. They are probably going to have to preform a fix that has never been done before and probably has never been designed to be attempted in the water. As a Diver this is right up there with the most difficult dives your could imagine and is going to be extremely difficult. The only thing they have going for them is it is it isn't at depth so decompression should be an issue and if it is a controlled environment hopefully the visibility isn't too bad (I've done a fix where even with high powered diving touches you could only see an arm length in front of you, I can't imagine doing this type of fix in bad viz).

I really hope they do a documentary on this fix as it really is going to be an interesting one...

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Anyone else see this post on the Royal Caribbean FB page?  I can't believe how delusional people can be.  Bait and switch?  Wow!  What a plan by Royal Caribbean!

Plus he has GOLD status!! (The bait and switch claim was made in the comments.)

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1 minute ago, BrianAlt said:

Anyone else see this post on the Royal Caribbean FB page?  I can't believe how delusional people can be.  Bait and switch?  Wow!  What a plan by Royal Caribbean!

 

A 'gold' member.... (1 three night cruise)... I bet they are really worried about next years profit now..... 

I totally understand people being upset and personally I think there should be a free cancellation or maybe a on board credit offer but I don't for one sec blame RCL for this. It is likely it was due to a manufacturing fault and I am sure if so it will be costing the ship yard (I presume you get a pretty good warranty when you buy a $1.2b ship) but there will also be costs accrued by RCL (Which I am presuming as they will be insured for). They will have contracts with the ports they are missing, costs with the new ports, contracts with suppliers from everything from fuel to food. There is no way this is a decision they have taken likely and would absolutely rather avoid it if they could.

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Jeeez. Of course it sucks when you have your mind on something but people are a little too much. The trip isn't canceled. San Juan is gorgeous - been there a few times and winged it....had great days there. The island is beautiful, there actually are quite a few things to do and there are a ton of places to eat.

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Just now, ellcee said:

Jeeez. Of course it sucks when you have your mind on something but people are a little too much. The trip isn't canceled. San Juan is gorgeous - been there a few times and winged it....had great days there. The island is beautiful, there actually are quite a few things to do and there are a ton of places to eat.

Agreed... We loved our time San Juan and would be very happy to spend another day there. St John is fantastic but so is San Juan so it's like choosing between 2 very yummy flavours of ice cream :5_smiley:

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I agree with you, Emerson.  If people are SO unhappy that they actually want to cancel the cruise, I think Royal should let them do just that.

I think it's pretty short sighted of the passenger to do that, but if you are really THAT upset about this [better, IMO] change to your itin then by all means, we do NOT want you on our cruise !

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