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Trust me I am active as well, I am a first responder as well as I work part time in the local ER, in essence I am at work well over 300 hours per month. That means that I wear a mask FAR more than the

I have zero issues wearing a mask in all public areas.  Hubby works in healthcare.  He wears a mask daily.  Kids wear a mask at school.  If wearing a mask in public areas means that we can get sailing

Yes. Like many topics, people who disagree tend to be more vocal online than those that agree, which is why I think you see some strong opinions on the matter.

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4 minutes ago, PaulRC said:

That's not why they were masks.  They were them as a courtesy to others.  

 

Have to agree with @mworkman on this one. It is a norm for residents of larger Asian cities to wear masks to reduce the amount of pollution they inhale. Wearing masks to reduce the spread of Covid-19 isn't really a "thing" there because so many people already wore them.

In the US, very few people wore masks regularly before it became a governmental mandate. Most of those you saw wearing them before March 2020 - older women of Asian descent.

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4 minutes ago, HeWhoWaits said:

It is a norm for residents of larger Asian cities to wear masks to reduce the amount of pollution they inhale.

I can't speak for all of Asia but I lived in Japan for 7 years and my wife was born there and lived there until she was 20. Her entire family still lives there and this is not why they tell me that they were masks, but I guess the point is not important.

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I am starting to fear long term for the viability of cruising....there are so many tangents and implications from this issue, that it may be too much for it to overcome......

 

Based on what I have seen so far, its concerning whether or not cruising will be available vacation option in the next few years or ever. This virus and the response has turned almost everything we knew and were used to upside down..its not merely a inconvenience that will eventually go away.....these changes and problems/issues are here long term and probably to stay...

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@monctonguyIf the vaccine works and the Major countries, US, UK, AU, CA... I know there is more but not the point, get mostly inoculated this year then why would most everything not go back to the real norm not this BS "New norm" people are willing to accept?   Even if they discover in wide usage that the vaccine is not 95% but only 85% it is still enough to allow normalcy.  Hell how effective is the flu shot every year?  I think its about 60% and how many people die from the flu each year IN the US its around 60K.  I get it COVID is much worse at this point but after "the shot" will it be?

Just me $0.02.

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I base it on the experience and facts so far..nothing has worked...lock downs, masks, distancing, flaten the curve, circuit -break resets etc......and we are all for the most part doing worse than ever with the pandemic....minus China of course for some reason..

 

The goal posts keep changing....the rules, the regulations, the expectations, the restrictions....what people accept and believe and are willing to live with for the good of society and everyone else.....another few months and it will be different and probably worse again....

 

I hope i am wrong...after 9 months of this not yet though.

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20 hours ago, SandyW said:

I know enough about this top to decline on wearing a mask, or getting a vax or getting traced while on board.  Cruising is the most social vacation there is.  With these mandates in place, I will not cruise until all 3 mentioned are removed.

The vaccination is the only thing that will stop the masking, social distancing, cancelled cruises, closed restaurants, closed everything. Its totally safe and I plan to get mine Friday when my hospital receives its shipment. Until 70% of the population is vaccinated your life will never return to normal. 

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19 hours ago, loki007 said:

The vaccination is the only thing that will stop the masking, social distancing, cancelled cruises, closed restaurants, closed everything. Its totally safe and I plan to get mine Friday when my hospital receives its shipment. Until 70% of the population is vaccinated your life will never return to normal. 

We're lucky that we do have a vaccine but hypothetically, if we didn't, do you think that would mean the world would continue the way it has for the last 9 months for years? I'm 100% certain that the public wouldn't take it eventually, indeed compliance with many rules in the UK are low currently, especially compared to Spring.

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On 12/17/2020 at 3:48 PM, Joe01 said:

, if we didn't, do you think that would mean the world would continue the way it has for the last 9 months for years? 

NO!!!

Economically the world cannot afford to continue as it has for the past 9 months, look at all of the businesses closing down, people being made redundant etc 

If things were to continue as is then every day/week or month more people would be impacted be it financially, mentally or health.

Right now the UK Government is bailing everyone out the best they can with furlough payments, grants or loans but at what cost? 

Tax increase for those still employed in April? 

Of course we have the 5 day free for all over xmas to look forward to before we have to suffer another lockdown causing even more misery! 

 

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On 12/16/2020 at 3:24 PM, loki007 said:

The vaccination is the only thing that will stop the masking, social distancing, cancelled cruises, closed restaurants, closed everything. Its totally safe and I plan to get mine Friday when my hospital receives its shipment. Until 70% of the population is vaccinated your life will never return to normal. 

Good luck with that.  I have done the research and I will not be getting it.

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Face mask are such a joke anyway.  They are to appease the masses and not to do anything about the virus,  The size of covid 19 is about 125 nm (0.125 microns).  The typical N95 mask bocks 95%+ of Airborne Particles 0.3 Microns or Larger .  That's 2.4 times the size of the covid virus, and that's an N95.  My guess is the cheap disposable blue masks  are not as good, and cloth masks are even worse that those.  Don't believe me do a 5 min google search and find the truth your self.

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12 minutes ago, PaulRC said:

Face mask are such a joke anyway.  They are to appease the masses and not to do anything about the virus,  The size of covid 19 is about 125 nm (0.125 microns).  The typical N95 mask bocks 95%+ of Airborne Particles 0.3 Microns or Larger .  That's 2.4 times the size of the covid virus, and that's an N95.  My guess is the cheap disposable blue masks  are not as good, and cloth masks are even worse that those.  Don't believe me do a 5 min google search and find the truth your self.

"Don't believe me do a 5 min google search and find the truth your self."

Truly a quote for our times.

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19 hours ago, SandyW said:

I know, and that is why I will not be sailing until all these unlawful rules are removed.

Rules that are aimed to keep you and everyone else on board safe ! Just like Muster Drill...Just like having life boats....Just like having emergency Evacuation Procedures...

 

 

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Again,

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/more/masking-science-sars-cov2.html 

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Scientific Brief: Community Use of Cloth Masks to Control the Spread of SARS-CoV-2

Updated Nov. 20, 2020

Background

SARS-CoV-2 infection is transmitted predominately by respiratory droplets generated when people cough, sneeze, sing, talk, or breathe. CDC recommends community use of masks, specifically non-valved multi-layer cloth masks, to prevent transmission of SARS-CoV-2. Masks are primarily intended to reduce the emission of virus-laden droplets (“source control”), which is especially relevant for asymptomatic or presymptomatic infected wearers who feel well and may be unaware of their infectiousness to others, and who are estimated to account for more than 50% of transmissions.1,2  Masks also help reduce inhalation of these droplets by the wearer (“filtration for personal protection”). The community benefit of masking for SARS-CoV-2 control is due to the combination of these effects; individual prevention benefit increases with increasing numbers of people using masks consistently and correctly.

Source Control to Block Exhaled Virus

Multi-layer cloth masks block release of exhaled respiratory particles into the environment,3-6 along with the microorganisms these particles carry.7,8  Cloth masks not only effectively block most large droplets (i.e., 20-30 microns and larger)9 but they can also block the exhalation of fine droplets and particles (also often referred to as aerosols) smaller than 10 microns ;3,5 which increase in number with the volume of speech10-12 and specific types of phonation.13 Multi-layer cloth masks can both block up to 50-70% of these fine droplets and particles3,14  and limit the forward spread of those that are not captured.5,6,15,16 Upwards of 80% blockage has been achieved in human experiments that have measured blocking of all respiratory droplets,4 with cloth masks in some studies performing on par with surgical masks as barriers for source control.3,9,14

Filtration for Personal Protection

Studies demonstrate that cloth mask materials can also reduce wearers’ exposure to infectious droplets through filtration, including filtration of fine droplets and particles less than 10 microns. The relative filtration effectiveness of various masks has varied widely across studies, in large part due to variation in experimental design and particle sizes analyzed. Multiple layers of cloth with higher thread counts have demonstrated superior performance compared to single layers of cloth with lower thread counts, in some cases filtering nearly 50% of fine particles less than 1 micron .14,17-29 Some materials (e.g., polypropylene) may enhance filtering effectiveness by generating triboelectric charge (a form of static electricity) that enhances capture of charged particles18,30 while others (e.g., silk) may help repel moist droplets31 and reduce fabric wetting and thus maintain breathability and comfort.

Human Studies of Masking and SARS-CoV-2 Transmission

Data regarding the “real-world” effectiveness of community masking are limited to observational and epidemiological studies.

  • An investigation of a high-exposure event, in which 2 symptomatically ill hair stylists interacted for an average of 15 minutes with each of 139 clients during an 8-day period, found that none of the 67 clients who subsequently consented to an interview and testing developed infection. The stylists and all clients universally wore masks in the salon as required by local ordinance and company policy at the time.32
  • In a study of 124 Beijing households with > 1 laboratory-confirmed case of SARS-CoV-2 infection, mask use by the index patient and family contacts before the index patient developed symptoms reduced secondary transmission within the households by 79%.33
  • A retrospective case-control study from Thailand documented that, among more than 1,000 persons interviewed as part of contact tracing investigations, those who reported having always worn a mask during high-risk exposures experienced a greater than 70% reduced risk of acquiring infection compared with persons who did not wear masks under these circumstances.34
  • A study of an outbreak aboard the USS Theodore Roosevelt, an environment notable for congregate living quarters and close working environments, found that use of face coverings on-board was associated with a 70% reduced risk.35
  • Investigations involving infected passengers aboard flights longer than 10 hours strongly suggest that masking prevented in-flight transmissions, as demonstrated by the absence of infection developing in other passengers and crew in the 14 days following exposure.36,37

Seven studies have confirmed the benefit of universal masking in community level analyses: in a unified hospital system,38 a  German city,39 a U.S. state,40 a panel of 15 U.S. states and Washington, D.C.,41,42 as well as both Canada43 and the U.S.44 nationally. Each analysis demonstrated that, following directives from organizational and political leadership for universal masking, new infections fell significantly. Two of these studies42,44 and an additional analysis of data from 200 countries that included the U.S.45 also demonstrated reductions in mortality. An economic analysis using U.S. data found that, given these effects, increasing universal masking by 15% could prevent the need for lockdowns and reduce associated losses of up to $1 trillion or about 5% of gross domestic product.42

Conclusions

Experimental and epidemiological data support community masking to reduce the spread of SARS-CoV-2. The prevention benefit of masking is derived from the combination of source control and personal protection for the mask wearer. The relationship between source control and personal protection is likely complementary and possibly synergistic14, so that individual benefit increases with increasing community mask use. Further research is needed to expand the evidence base for the protective effect of cloth masks and in particular to identify the combinations of materials that maximize both their blocking and filtering effectiveness, as well as fit, comfort, durability, and consumer appeal. Adopting universal masking policies can help avert future lockdowns, especially if combined with other non-pharmaceutical interventions such as social distancing, hand hygiene, and adequate ventilation.

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This article has references from 45 sources from around the world. Scientists are saying that even cloth face masks are effective. It's one of the 4 major safety protocols that folks with common sense are using to try to get through this pandemic. 

 

 

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