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22 minutes ago, Joe01 said:

Do Royal actually expect anyone (other than the most ardent cruisers) to dish out thousands of pounds/dollars/whatever other currency to go on a cruise where they can't explore ports on their own, have to distance from other guests, have to wear face coverings everywhere on the ship and risk being imprisoned in a cabin if someone even tests positive for a virus?

The Singapore Quantum of the Seas initial sailings shows there is consumer interest even with those restrictions.

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Trust me I am active as well, I am a first responder as well as I work part time in the local ER, in essence I am at work well over 300 hours per month. That means that I wear a mask FAR more than the

I have zero issues wearing a mask in all public areas.  Hubby works in healthcare.  He wears a mask daily.  Kids wear a mask at school.  If wearing a mask in public areas means that we can get sailing

Yes. Like many topics, people who disagree tend to be more vocal online than those that agree, which is why I think you see some strong opinions on the matter.

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31 minutes ago, Joe01 said:

Do Royal actually expect anyone (other than the most ardent cruisers - and let's be real, the majority who post on cruise forums fall into this category) to dish out thousands of pounds/dollars/whatever other currency to go on a cruise where they can't explore ports on their own, have to distance from other guests, have to wear face coverings everywhere on the ship and risk being imprisoned in a cabin if someone even tests positive for a virus?

I know it sucks for the industry big time but let's be realistic.

It's a good question. I would say "no, they are not." The casual cruiser will come back. It just won't be during this point where we're just starting to see vaccines being delivered, and probably won't be until we start being able to walk around without masks on. 

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1 hour ago, Rose City Cruiser said:

The Singapore Quantum of the Seas initial sailings shows there is consumer interest even with those restrictions.

Many people in Asia have been wearing masks outdoors for years - it is the norm for them.

It is far from the norm for Westerners, many of whom object to being required to wear them indoors.

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1 hour ago, Joe01 said:

Do Royal actually expect anyone (other than the most ardent cruisers - and let's be real, the majority who post on cruise forums fall into this category) to dish out thousands of pounds/dollars/whatever other currency to go on a cruise where they can't explore ports on their own, have to distance from other guests, have to wear face coverings everywhere on the ship and risk being imprisoned in a cabin if someone even tests positive for a virus?

I know it sucks for the industry big time but let's be realistic.

Thing is its not just cruiseships! Like it or not facemasks will be part of the new norm for a good while yet be it on land or sea!

Right now if you want to go into town by bus or taxi facemasks must be worn, you go for something to eat you need a facemask when you enter the premises, you go for a beer or 6 you need a mask!

If you want to go abroad then Airlines will probably keep facemasks as a code of practice for a long time, well after vaccines have been given. Hotels you need to have them and if you are in your room when roomservice arrives you need to put on a facemask before they enter.

Simple fact is the world has changed forever, things will never be like they were before.

AND if this link is true its not going to get better any time soon so we may as well make the best of what we have while we can 

 

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/breaking-london-parts-two-counties-23166009.amp?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

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23 minutes ago, PaulRC said:

Why?   If the vaccine is 95% effective then why would  anyone have to be forced to wear a mask?  It does not make any sense.  If I get the "shots" then why would I wear a mask.  There is no logic to this.

95% effectiveness is based on trial numbers of becoming "sick" or symptomatic.  This means you could still become infected and spread it.  That is why masks will still be required in the early releases of the vaccine.  Once the population has been vaccinated or we see a huge drop in COVID hospitalization, is when masks may not be mandatory.  So in theory, if the majority of the population gets vaccinated, it will eventually work towards herd immunity.

 

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2 hours ago, Ray said:

 

Simple fact is the world has changed forever, things will never be like they were before.

 

I don't think so. After the 1918 pandemic, things were the way they were before very quickly.

Human nature has not changed in a mere one hundred years. We will eventually be back to maskless cruising. It's just a matter of how long it will take. 

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1 hour ago, PaulRC said:

Why?   If the vaccine is 95% effective then why would  anyone have to be forced to wear a mask?  It does not make any sense.  If I get the "shots" then why would I wear a mask.  There is no logic to this.

Click the link.... the virus is mutating!!!!

So if as has been suggested by experts and reports in the link state, that this virus WILL and is changing and may change every year just like the flu virus then why would companies relax the wearing of facemasks? 

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18 minutes ago, Cakemeister said:
2 hours ago, Ray said:

Like it or not facemasks will be part of the new norm for a good while yet be it on land or sea!

 

 

We will eventually be back to maskless cruising. It's just a matter of how long it will take. 

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Isnt that what i said in 1st paragraph? FOR A GOOD WHILE YET! I never said forever 

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1 hour ago, PaulRC said:

Why?   If the vaccine is 95% effective then why would  anyone have to be forced to wear a mask?  It does not make any sense.  If I get the "shots" then why would I wear a mask.  There is no logic to this.

Masks will be required until the pandemic is declared "over" by the WHO and CDC. The vaccine is 95% effective in preventing illness due to COVID 19. Whether or not a vaccinated person could still be a carrier and therefore spread COVID has not been studied. Cruising without a mask will occur in the 2nd half of 2021. 

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2 hours ago, Ray said:

Thing is its not just cruiseships! Like it or not facemasks will be part of the new norm for a good while yet be it on land or sea!

Right now if you want to go into town by bus or taxi facemasks must be worn, you go for something to eat you need a facemask when you enter the premises, you go for a beer or 6 you need a mask!

Can't compare a trip on public transport to a cruise of several days. A ticket to Glasgow from my local station costs £4.10 and the journey lasts 20 minutes at most. A 5 nighter on Adventure out of Barcelona costs £726. Similarly not comparable to wearing a face mask for 10 mins at a hotel lobby or while waiting briefly for a queue at a cafe or restaurant. I travel by public transport and visit cafes pretty much every day, wearing a mask to get there is nowhere near comparable to spending nearly a thousand pounds for a half baked cruise.

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28 minutes ago, loki007 said:

Masks will be required until the pandemic is declared "over" by the WHO and CDC. The vaccine is 95% effective in preventing illness due to COVID 19. Whether or not a vaccinated person could still be a carrier and therefore spread COVID has not been studied. Cruising without a mask will occur in the 2nd half of 2021. 

Lol, we don't even know for certain that there will be cruising in 2021

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6 hours ago, FLGooner said:

Wear a mask, luckily I'm a Brit so don't have to worry about my "rights" being infringed.

wasn't there a revolution a few years ago that dealt with that?

Anyway...there will be masks mandated, v a ( ( inez mandated...the whole nine yards so the lawyers can be held at bay at every mention of a positive case, and to soften the blow of sensationalistic headlines. It's not about health or avoiding infection.

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58 minutes ago, Ray said:

Click the link.... the virus is mutating!!!!

So if as has been suggested by experts and reports in the link state, that this virus WILL and is changing and may change every year just like the flu virus then why would companies relax the wearing of facemasks? 

An example of the mutation - during a stretch of late November when the NFL's Baltimore Ravens had 19 players, coaches, and staff test positive there were at least FOUR different strains identified.

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6 hours ago, Joe01 said:

Do Royal actually expect anyone (other than the most ardent cruisers - and let's be real, the majority who post on cruise forums fall into this category) to dish out thousands of pounds/dollars/whatever other currency to go on a cruise where they can't explore ports on their own, have to distance from other guests, have to wear face coverings everywhere on the ship and risk being imprisoned in a cabin if someone even tests positive for a virus?

I know it sucks for the industry big time but let's be realistic.

Personal choice, you follow the health guidelines or you stay home. Some people more than happy to, they really dont care about the others who dont and choose to stay home.

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9 hours ago, Joe01 said:

Can't compare a trip on public transport to a cruise of several days. A ticket to Glasgow from my local station costs £4.10 and the journey lasts 20 minutes at most. A 5 nighter on Adventure out of Barcelona costs £726. Similarly not comparable to wearing a face mask for 10 mins at a hotel lobby or while waiting briefly for a queue at a cafe or restaurant. I travel by public transport and visit cafes pretty much every day, wearing a mask to get there is nowhere near comparable to spending nearly a thousand pounds for a half baked cruise.

You missed my point....you asked can RC expect things the answer is no they can only hope! They like the taxi drivers or bus companies, the small cafe you get lunch, hotels, airlines, bars and restaurants,basically every business going cannot expect people to use them they can only hope! 

Its not these companies setting the rules or guidelines its the CDC or local governments who are saying this or that must be done.

The cost is irrelevant if people dont sail cruiselines close their doors which is the same for local cafes or taxi companies if people dont use their services, so no RC cannot expect they can only hope.

If these companies say we are not operating until this virus is gone then they will go bust, companies must keep going best they can just to keep their doors open, and in doing this they need to follow guidelines whether we like it or not.

If we dont like it we don't do it....simple 

 

 

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10 hours ago, Cakemeister said:

I don't think so. After the 1918 pandemic, things were the way they were before very quickly.

 

I can see the high flying executive back in 1918 sitting in an airport lounge hooked up to the free wifi reading about the daily death toll or conspiracy theories while they wait to jet across the world

And i am 100% certain that be it 5, 10 or 50 years the next virus's to come out of Asia will be treated the same as all the ones previous to 2020 IE Airlines wont bother with masks, people wont think " please god not another 2020" 

Because the world be it how companies operate or how people think wont change 😉

 

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10 hours ago, Ray said:

I can see the high flying executive back in 1918 sitting in an airport lounge hooked up to the free wifi reading about the daily death toll or conspiracy theories while they wait to jet across the world

And i am 100% certain that be it 5, 10 or 50 years the next virus's to come out of Asia will be treated the same as all the ones previous to 2020 IE Airlines wont bother with masks, people wont think " please god not another 2020" 

Because the world be it how companies operate or how people think wont change 😉

 

That's funny!

The 1918 executive is in a field and sees a cage of carrier pigeons marked "Free Wi-Fi". Then he gets into the back seat of a biplane. Two hours later, he's at his destination, 100 miles away. Express service!

Your other comments are spot on. Human nature doesn't change. 

 

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11 minutes ago, SandyW said:

I know enough about this top to decline on wearing a mask, or getting a vax or getting traced while on board.  Cruising is the most social vacation there is.  With these mandates in place, I will not cruise until all 3 mentioned are removed.

It could be a very LONG time before you cruise again, if ever.

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1 hour ago, SandyW said:

I know enough about this top to decline on wearing a mask, or getting a vax or getting traced while on board.  Cruising is the most social vacation there is.  With these mandates in place, I will not cruise until all 3 mentioned are removed.

There are cameras covering literally every inch of the ship, they can find you whenever they want

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