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NCL CEO Harry Sommer: We will announce future (November) cruise cancellations during the last week of August.

They do not expect to dispose of any ships. All 17 plus the new Leonardo ships are accounted for over the next 5 years.

And the 60 day final payment deadline is likely to stay on the remaining 2020 cruises.

The refund request form for the recently canceled October sailings will be available starting on August 3rd.

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In a place as litigious as our stateside friends honestly theres no feasible way for anything to depart in 2020. Whereas in Asia very good probability. The last thing any cruise line wants is to have more litigation from people saying "lets cruise already everything is open" aka planes restaurants etc. What people forget is a cruise ship can take a few days to reach port not a few hours low a flight pr like an hour in a restaurant, and some countries and ports will deny a ship with cases. This will lead to a repeat of what we saw in the spring. And rest assured there will be litigation as a result from passengers. Guaranteed 🙂 so it's a big picture not an immediate one. As a Canadian looking in... it's always the case. 

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On 7/31/2020 at 1:52 PM, crisgold52 said:

In a place as litigious as our stateside friends honestly theres no feasible way for anything to depart in 2020. Whereas in Asia very good probability. The last thing any cruise line wants is to have more litigation from people saying "lets cruise already everything is open" aka planes restaurants etc. What people forget is a cruise ship can take a few days to reach port not a few hours low a flight pr like an hour in a restaurant, and some countries and ports will deny a ship with cases. This will lead to a repeat of what we saw in the spring. And rest assured there will be litigation as a result from passengers. Guaranteed 🙂 so it's a big picture not an immediate one. As a Canadian looking in... it's always the case. 

I think having people sign wavers and having approved protocols (CDC sign off needed) would help mitigate litigation risk.  I know that cruises have the issues of port admission, but I truly believe that planes and restaurants have risks that are not hunted down like they are against cruise lines.  I just hope we can see this whole crisis in the rear view mirror soon.

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5 minutes ago, jaredhamburg said:

I think having people sign wavers and having approved protocols (CDC sign off needed) would help mitigate litigation risk.  I know that cruises have the issues of port admission, but I truly believe that planes and restaurants have risks that are not hunted down like they are against cruise lines.  I just hope we can see this whole crisis in the rear view mirror soon.

Waivers are there as a formality but generally if one is intent on pursuing something there's always a way of doing so. Even locally at one of our gyms despite signing a waiver, a person who knowingly got injured pursued litigation and there was even an article about it as well so it become a semi-media event over personal injury. Waivers or not, if there's a will, there's a way.

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On 8/7/2020 at 5:12 PM, crisgold52 said:

Waivers are there as a formality but generally if one is intent on pursuing something there's always a way of doing so. Even locally at one of our gyms despite signing a waiver, a person who knowingly got injured pursued litigation and there was even an article about it as well so it become a semi-media event over personal injury. Waivers or not, if there's a will, there's a way.

True, waivers cannot 100% stop litigation; but they are a tool to help reduce risk.  Any time a business opens its doors, there is an element of risk.  Risk waivers are used for surgeries quite often in the USA.  Doctors still get sued, but the risk/cost has to be built into their business model.

I think waivers will be present, but I think the big cruise lines are watching what is happening with the smaller ones first to help fine tune their procedures.  I think the holdup will be building public trust in the safety of cruising and having CDC and port of calls buying into the procedures.

I also do not think much if any 2020 will happen (maybe some small activity to test the waters) but due to regulatory barriers, not demand or legal risk.  That is why I went with October 2021 for my second re-booking and am still keeping my fingers crossed.

 

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49 minutes ago, jaredhamburg said:

True, waivers cannot 100% stop litigation; but they are a tool to help reduce risk.  Any time a business opens its doors, there is an element of risk.  Risk waivers are used for surgeries quite often in the USA.  Doctors still get sued, but the risk/cost has to be built into their business model.

I think waivers will be present, but I think the big cruise lines are watching what is happening with the smaller ones first to help fine tune their procedures.  I think the holdup will be building public trust in the safety of cruising and having CDC and port of calls buying into the procedures.

I also do not think much if any 2020 will happen (maybe some small activity to test the waters) but due to regulatory barriers, not demand or legal risk.  That is why I went with October 2021 for my second re-booking and am still keeping my fingers crossed.

 

Yep your guess is as good as mine. I'm starting to lose faith in my first backup for FEB 2021  4nighter as well which I transplanted my FCC from November to. My secondary backup is April 3nighter if February folds. Both involve the perfect day product. My final retaining wall is a 7 night Alaska In May out of my home port in BC instead (a 15 minute drive haha) without flying 4300 km to FL.  Then I'm flat out of backups. Hope at least one of those goes ahead. 

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16 minutes ago, crisgold52 said:

Yep your guess is as good as mine. I'm starting to lose faith in my first backup for FEB 2021  4nighter as well which I transplanted my FCC from November to. My secondary backup is April 3nighter if February folds. Both involve the perfect day product. My final retaining wall is a 7 night Alaska In May out of my home port in BC instead (a 15 minute drive haha) without flying 4300 km to FL.  Then I'm flat out of backups. Hope at least one of those goes ahead. 

I would adore having a 15 minute drive to a port.  The closest I have is around 11 hours....(Galveston, Texas).

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5 minutes ago, jaredhamburg said:

I would adore having a 15 minute drive to a port.  The closest I have is around 11 hours....(Galveston, Texas).

My closest ports are Baltimore, New Orleans and Galveston - all of which take 19 hours to get to (and none of which I'm usually interested in sailing out of, lol)

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42 minutes ago, SpeedNoodles said:

My closest ports are Baltimore, New Orleans and Galveston - all of which take 19 hours to get to (and none of which I'm usually interested in sailing out of, lol)

I would like to fly to a port with more choices, but plane tickets for a family of six take a big dent out of a vacation budget......We had to go on Explorer of the Seas instead of Liberty of the Seas in order to make the Bahamas happen again.

It is going to be so exciting when cruising starts up again!!!!!

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14 minutes ago, monctonguy said:

Holland America Just announced all cruises cancelled through Dec 15th..

 

Anyone who thinks cruising will start before 2021 is sadly mistaken..I am thinking possibly even mid 2021 before I would be willing to even take a chance based on how things are still going..

Interestingly Westjet and Air Canada are having lots of sales domestically and trans border.

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1 minute ago, monctonguy said:

Yeah....I have seen that..but with 14 day quarantine  periods, not many can afford that kinda vacation time to go anywhere.

 

With potential 2nd waves, no vaccine till 2021 etc...I just cant see cruising resuming on a large(normal)scale for at least a year.

Right but of course despite our land border closure if one so desires they could fly to the US for a land vacation at the Parks or Vegas.

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Right..and still quarantine for 14 days once back....that's the kicker.

 

So to cruise for a week, plus the day or two before and after..and the 14 days when you get back...a one week cruise turns into almost a 30 day "vacation"...not at all reasonable or feasible for 90% of the population or more in Canada....who knows about other countries....

 

But that's just one factor....the bigger issue will be re-occurring outbreaks, hotspots, no vaccine...then a vaccine but not enough people getting it to make it effective....

 

 

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On 8/10/2020 at 2:25 PM, SpeedNoodles said:

My closest ports are Baltimore, New Orleans and Galveston - all of which take 19 hours to get to (and none of which I'm usually interested in sailing out of, lol)

Just to gloat a little bit, I live in Central Florida on the East Coast. That's a cruise day's morning drive to Tampa, Port Canaveral (Orlando), Port Everglades (Fort Lauderdale) and Miami. Though I will admit that Miami is starting to stretch it a bit. 

But then again, the Florida peninsula is way more isolated from the rest of the country than you normally think. For instance, if we need to evacuate for a storm, it can take almost 350 miles to get somewhere safer. When we purchased our most recent vehicle, one issue was that we would need 500 miles of range on one tank of fuel, just in case.

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On 8/10/2020 at 2:25 PM, SpeedNoodles said:

My closest ports are Baltimore, New Orleans and Galveston - all of which take 19 hours to get to (and none of which I'm usually interested in sailing out of, lol)

For me 1 Hour to Boston and 4 Hours to NY/NJ.  Went to Baltimore once, but flew there...

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If anyone knows a way to legally get me down there...sign me up!....ha

As one who is living here at the moment, I agree with YOLO. It's not the right time to be here. Hopefully, situations will improve. Try my hardest to keep this as neutral as possible. But not now. Wait.

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I'm 40 minutes from Bayonne, so that's nice.  I have an Amtrak booked to go to and from Baltimore November 9th....holding out hope.  If it doesn't pan out, I'll have to either cancel the train too and get credit to use another time (2045 at this rate,) or book a hotel and see Baltimore...and then self-quarantine at my desk for 14 days.  Being essential personnel it fun :-/

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4 hours ago, monctonguy said:

Holland America Just announced all cruises cancelled through Dec 15th..

 

Anyone who thinks cruising will start before 2021 is sadly mistaken..I am thinking possibly even mid 2021 before I would be willing to even take a chance based on how things are still going..

I’m gonna throw it out there, 2021 is a wash. I think we cruise again in early 2022. 

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2 hours ago, tonyfsu21 said:

I’m gonna throw it out there, 2021 is a wash. I think we cruise again in early 2022. 

I disagree. I Think cruising will begin again in April 2021. I think there is a reason Odyssey is delayed until April and I think its because that's when Royal really thinks cruising can start. I also think that's why the casino started sending out offers starting in April. 

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