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Anyone know what the ports are like in terms of supporting Oasis class in Asia ? I know they are very limited in the Caribbean which is why they do the same itineraries over and over and over and over ...

The ports are not a problem, some of the best ports in the World can be found in Asia: Hong Kong, Singapore, Shanghai all Base Ports for RCI and all have new state of the Art Cruise Terminals. It was just announced that RCI is building a new port in Australia, and they have a great port that is only a few years old in Vietnam. The Shanghai Cruise market also does many port calls in Japan and South Korea both countries with great first world ports.

 

Also they have had a Quantum class ship based in Asia for the last couple years and the new Ovation Of The Seas will be home ported in Shanghai. While the Oasis Class ships are much larger in Gross Tons, the size is very close to the Quantum Class, they draw 2 meters more 8.8 meters vs 9.3 meters, the length is only about 14 meters long and the width (Beam) only about 9 meters wider. So most ports that can accommodate the Quantum Class can handle the Oasis Class.

 

Also another very important factor here is the China Market, you really need to understand this market. It is unlike other markets they are in. Here in Asia, face is very important, and saving face, I'm not talking about how people look but the concept of things. The Chinese cruisers will pay much more to be able to say they are on the largest cruise ship in the world (By Class). And the market here is very strong. A Oasis Class ship makes prefect sense here. The season is longer and they have the season in Australia. But they can draw the Australian market year round. It is a fairly short flight from Australia / New Zealand to South East Asia.  

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I think something that is being forgotten is that Oasis class are warm weather ships.

 

Staying in the Caribbean makes the most sense in this respect (at least 10 months out of the year)

 

Given that Adventure and Jewel are doing quite well and the port size, I would think that San Juan, PR would be a great choice.... Creates some nice itinerary variety (Barbados/ Curacao??)

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I think something that is being forgotten is that Oasis class are warm weather ships.

 

Staying in the Caribbean makes the most sense in this respect (at least 10 months out of the year)

 

Given that Adventure and Jewel are doing quite well and the port size, I would think that San Juan, PR would be a great choice.... Creates some nice itinerary variety (Barbados/ Curacao??)

 

Look at where Ovation of the Seas will be home-ported?  China is a warm weather place for a warm weather ship and during the cooler months Australia. And what is between China and Australia? Singapore three world class first World cities and ports with very large active markets. The fourth Oasis Class ship will be here in Asia. SE Asia and Australia both have a large cross over market and moving the ship between these two locations also provides for great  repositioning cruises. While most of the repositioning cruises are just to move the ships these are money markers for RCI. A combination Asia Australia cruises is very appealing to the largest  market RCI has the US Market. 

 

The money is here in Asia and the company knows that and is building this market at a very fast rate. 

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 Zero 100% it will never happen

I think that is a really presumptive to say. Statistically, there is always a chance things can happen, although it can be unlikely.

 

I could see a scenario of all 4 Oasis ships in at least North America, given the ever fluctuating state of the global economy. I know you are quite bullish on the Asian cruise market, but keep two things in mind:

 

1. Remember when over half the fleet was in Europe one year and then the bottom fell out from that?  Things can change

2. Oasis ships require ports that can handle ships that size, which there are not many.  

 

Not saying you are wrong, just that I could totally foresee a scenario in which all 4 are based in Florida, but I tend to think RC will spread them out a bit more than that.

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I think that is a really presumptive to say. Statistically, there is always a chance things can happen, although it can be unlikely.

 

I could see a scenario of all 4 Oasis ships in at least North America, given the ever fluctuating state of the global economy. I know you are quite bullish on the Asian cruise market, but keep two things in mind:

 

1. Remember when over half the fleet was in Europe one year and then the bottom fell out from that?  Things can change

2. Oasis ships require ports that can handle ships that size, which there are not many.  

 

Not saying you are wrong, just that I could totally foresee a scenario in which all 4 are based in Florida, but I tend to think RC will spread them out a bit more than that.

 

 
We will see once the four ships are operation.
 
As to point #1 We are in total agreement "things can change" so from a marketing and business standpoint you would not base all four in Florida.  Maybe in 10 years when they have several more and a newer class ship you will see it but not when they have only four Oasis Class ships in Operation.
 
As to point #2  Many of the ports here in Asia can and do handle ships this size and larger (Cargo Ships). And as I pointed out in post #27 of this thread the difference between Quantum class and Oasis Class is not really that different or bigger for docking and port needs. Remember many of the best deep water harbors in the world are in Asia.
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" I know you are quite bullish on the Asian cruise market"

 

More proof of how strong the Asian market is. This was in the Korea Herald some highlights:

 

"build four new cruise docks in Jeju Island, Incheon and Sokcho by 2017 to increase the country's capacity for massive ocean liners."

 

"Quantum of the Seas, a 167,000-ton cruise ship for Royal Caribbean International, will travel to South Korea from Shanghai, China, 44 times this year with a full capacity of 6,100."  (They count total aboard the ship Passengers & Crew)

 

"The cruise industry is one of the fastest growing sectors in Asia, with the number of people embarking on a cruise ship tour, especially from China, expected to reach over 2.3 million in 2016 and 2.8 million in 2017"

 

"The number of foreign tourists arriving in South Korea on cruise ships topped 1 million last year and is expected to reach 3 million in 2020. "

 

 

http://www.koreaherald.com/view.php?ud=20160307000619

 

 

I guess the cruise gods must really like me. Just found this in my email:

 

Nikkei Asian Review
March 6 2016
 
Mega cruise ship to begin making stops in Japan in 2018
 
Royal Caribbean Cruises currently owns two Oasis-class cruise ships and is scheduled to take delivery of two more -- one this year and the other in 2018.
 
The cruise line operator plans to deploy one to a hub in Asia -- Singapore, Hong Kong or Shanghai -- and use it on a route serving Japan.
 
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I believe this has happen in part because the Asian power Governments see the value to the economy. They will build the Infrastructure needed to allow these ships to be able to operate.  I believe Royal will make a public announcement nest week at the Seatrade Cruise Global next week in Fort Lauderdale, this is the industry's big conference and companies like to make a splash.

 

From Japan Times
 
The transport ministry said Monday it plans to increase the number of ports that can be visited by large cruise ships to 14 to 15 from seven in 2015.
 
The ministry also aims to realize visits to Hakata port in Fukuoka Prefecture and other ports in the country by the Oasis of the Seas, one of the largest cruise ships in the world, in 2018. The 220,000-ton ship, operated by a U.S. ferry company, can carry 6,360 passengers.
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So the Japanese Times is reporting Oasis will be porting in Japan? I wonder if the Transport Ministry slipped up and reported something they weren't supposed to or if Royal is still in negotiations with them.

 

I believe the deal is already set. But that Royal is just waiting for the correct time to do a press release. I do not know if you follow or own stock in the company? (Good deal with the added cruise discount)  But it has not done to well since the 1st of the year. When 2015 ended it was over $100 per share, this year it has fell over 25%. They have taken a few PR hits this year. I think you will see Royal make it official next week. 

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I believe the deal is already set. But that Royal is just waiting for the correct time to do a press release. I do not know if you follow or own stock in the company? (Good deal with the added cruise discount) But it has not done to well since the 1st of the year. When 2015 ended it was over $100 per share, this year it has fell over 25%. They have taken a few PR hits this year. I think you will see Royal make it official next week.

I do not own stock in any cruise lines; my wife hasn't been too keen of the idea because of the possible volatility of the cruise market (e.g., global economic issues, oil prices, etc.), but I am a fan of the industry as a whole.

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I think that with the Oasis being the oldest oasis-class ship that it will go over to either Europe or China. The Allure will move to Port Canaveral, the Harmony will stay in Port Everglades, and the 4th Oasis class ship will go to Miami. Also regarding the two future Quantum class ship I think that one will also go to Miami. 

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I do not own stock in any cruise lines; my wife hasn't been too keen of the idea because of the possible volatility of the cruise market (e.g., global economic issues, oil prices, etc.), but I am a fan of the industry as a whole.

 

In the previous decade I bought shares at $44.88 and sold them around the $8 level.  They eventually bottomed out at $5.35 or thereabouts.  I decided that I'd rather give them my money by paying for bookings vs. buying shares....at least I'd come home happy. :)

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I am on oasis and my attendant told me oasis is headed to china in 2018, a little off topic but may give us more info on what will be where

It's good info, just because it clues us in on how the other deployments (like Oasis 4) will all fit.

 

Granted, the info J_Keeble received was from a stateroom attendant (not quite CEO-level info  :lol: ), but this thread is all about rumors!

 

IF Oasis is going to China (or anywhere outside of USA), I wonder what will replace Oasis of the Seas in Port Canaveral. Her deployment there in the first place is a big deal.

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It's good info, just because it clues us in on how the other deployments (like Oasis 4) will all fit.

 

Granted, the info J_Keeble received was from a stateroom attendant (not quite CEO-level info  :lol: ), but this thread is all about rumors!

 

IF Oasis is going to China (or anywhere outside of USA), I wonder what will replace Oasis of the Seas in Port Canaveral. Her deployment there in the first place is a big deal.

The Asian market isn't known to consist of big drinkers...to think of all those Sabor margaritas that will not be poured.  :(

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The Asian market isn't known to consist of big drinkers...to think of all those Sabor margaritas that will not be poured.  :(

To that point, RC has demonstrated they are okay re-doing their ships to meet the market needs (i.e. changing Johnny Rockets on Quantum of the Seas to be a noddle place).

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