mworkman

Why an I not surprised, it was just more smoke and mirrors from Royal Caribbean

8 minutes ago, BrianAlt said:

Site has been down most of the day, so...what do you think?

They have your info as planned, watch for more sales vie e-mail...thats what I think 

It’s going to be like publishers clearinghouse sweepstakes, no one know who won and your on the mailing list for eternity…or just another way to reach you about Your cars extended warranty!

I couldn’t do it in anything less that a Jr Suits or higher, wife would need that bigger closet

2 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

This announcement just made the CDC's head explode

Naw…there sitting back saying not so fast..we’re gonna drag this out as long as we can!

It’s nice of them to plan for 2023, yet they can’t even give you what protocols are passed 14 days right now!

Looks like Jamaica has a lvl4 warning per CDC.
 

https://www.cruisehive.com/cdc-increases-another-caribbean-cruise-destination-to-level-4/55964?fbclid=IwAR19vuan9jci1BTwYQZYt9eKmKa81dES1nMKUEUoqcIF2NLdK_j8cQ7ZGJk

Could you imagine the airline requiring you to purchase insurance.
 

9 minutes ago, Marlena said:

So if a vaccinated passenger or an under 12 requires evacuation due to covid RC will cover it?

They will cover it upfront, however they're going to pass the cost on to the individual/family at a later time I'm sure.  They can recommend that you have travel insurance that covers medical evacuations...it falls on you, the consumer to purchase. 

I would be curious to how a business can make you purchase insurance, since there isn't a law mandated saying so?

6 hours ago, WhiteSoxFan said:

And by December the landscape will have changed again.  I expect changes every month or two as more ships sail and we see the results.

Then it will be the flu…if you haven’t been vaccinated for the flu..you can’t cruise.

55 minutes ago, Ditchdoc said:

Well, vaccinated people are pretty much 'virus proof' and get to live a normal life. Those willing to voluntarily show they have been vaccinated may get access to areas closed to those who are not. Those that are not vaccinated take their chances and potentially will have to face the consequences of their decision, what ever that might be. There is your freedom. You get to choose.

Think about that statement for a minute..Those that aren't vaccinated still get to live a normal life irregardless, it's just that they may possible get the virus or not. Who knows what their body immune situation is..they may have had the virus previously and it didn't affect them based on various factors and built up an immunity to it.

For those that have received the vaccine, what does it matter if you're in a vicinity of unvaccinated people, Your vaccinated right? Then don't worry what others do, it's their choice how they live, NOT Yours or Mine! 

Why would there be a restricted area, the vaccine is supposedly the antidote that removes that factor from the equation, unless you don't trust the vaccine.

Here's a question for you...what do you do with those that can't get the vaccine due to medical conditions or those that don't due to religious beliefs? That's a slippery slope legal wise, I'm sure that it has been addressed, but not commented on yet that I've seen.

Correct, I was referring to the cruise planner..sorry.

I haven't logged into it in quite some time now and just noticed that it has been upgraded....I'm shocked!!! it's beginning to look more professional! When did that happen?

10 minutes ago, TXcruzer said:

 

I don’t think you understand what the HIPAA law says. 
 

 Either of the examples given have anything to do with HIPAA. 

HIPAA is is exclusive to healthcare providers and 3rd party participants in healthcare (insurers and supply chain) 

Do you own a business? If not, it doesn't apply to you.  There are many out there that don't know HIPAA does apply to Business owners as well. The requirements exist, however it isn't as stringent as the healthcare industry.

26 minutes ago, dswallow said:

No it wouldn't. Because those terms would be clearly indicated to you prior to boarding. You are choosing, and thus consenting, to board in conditions requiring that you adhere to wearing a mask. Thus again, HIPAA could not apply. Further, just because someone is not required to wear a mask does not mean they cannot wear a mask, so you're wrong in interpreting the wearing of a mask in that theoretical condition to indicate your vaccination status. Nonetheless, you have chosen to board under conditions that require you to always wear the mask; what people may or may not think that means is irrelevant. And if the circumstances ended in you being detained onboard because you refused to adhere to the conditions you agreed to, again HIPAA does not apply, because you have previously agreed to these conditions.

So you already know what the terms are? Hmm Do you work for RCCL or is this a SWAG? I can choose to consent or Not consent..the burden lies with the terms upon my arrival. Everyone has choices...what you elect to do is upon you, I choose to disclose as little information ie medical or whatever i deem necessary. Your incorrect, Businesses are required to protect your data, whether it being medical, educational, and HIPAA does apply to them as well. I own a business and must comply  to safeguarding personal data information.

https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/FR-2013-01-25/pdf/2013-01073.pdf

14 minutes ago, dswallow said:

Let me explain this theoretical scenario in simpler terms...

Prior to boarding you would be requested to provide proof of vaccination or told that if you didn't provide that proof that you could still board but you would be isolated in your cabin for the entire sailing. This would be your consent and there is nothing HIPAA could apply to in any way from anyone making any interpretation onboard from you being restricted to your cabin.

 

Correct, but if the cruise lines allowed you to board, however required you wear a mask, but those with a vaccine didn't require it...that's where the file line hits, As they have just openly disclosed you medical states knowingly to everyone...Now it's no longer private, which they're require by HIPAA to not disclose.

Who would want to get on board knowingly you're going to be restricted to your cabin? To each as their own i say.

8 minutes ago, mworkman said:

 

9 minutes ago, dswallow said:

No they don't. You'll be restricted to your cabin. People become restricted to their cabins for a number of different reasons. And they don't label your cabin with your name, either. And you knew that entering the ship, so you've consented to the circumstances that you're in aboard the ship, too, so even if your name were known and it was known you were restricted to the cabin, and that restriction was because of not being vaccinated against COVID-19 it still would not violate HIPAA, because HIPAA does not prevent or restrict you from disclosing your medical conditions. 

It's a shame people so ready to claim a law is applicable can't be bothered to even read it. 

What your stating is if someone came down with COVID while on board...what i'm talking about is prior to boarding, a screening process ...You missed the point clearly...Try reading sometime!

12 minutes ago, RyanS said:

Then just do not let them on board. Much less risk of a cruise being interrupted if everybody is vaccinated.

Also HIPAA is a set of guidelines of how a company has to protect your medical data if they receive it from you or another source. If you volunteer your data over to them (I.e. giving them your vaccine status), I am not a lawyer, but I do not believe HIPAA works in this situation.

Your partial correct, but by them singling you out with any requirement that isn't required by all, they've just released your medical status/condition..which they're required by law to protect. They openly disclosed private medical information via forcing you to modify your appearance.  Does that make sense? It's a thin line...but it will be put to the courts i feel in the near future.

On 5/14/2021 at 10:39 PM, Jennifer Burke said:

Right and they can hand over the colored bracelets when you Board and prove you are vaccinated. I think that's a great idea. 

Violates HIPAA laws! They can't disclose medical info..In doing this they announce who has and hasn't been vaccinated.

On 5/14/2021 at 8:25 AM, dswallow said:

 

Or if you aren't vaccinated, you're restricted to your stateroom for the entire sailing. If you are vaccinated, you have access to the rest of the ship.

That violated Hipaa laws, RCCL would end up in court real fast and lose that one!

Just for fun, we're at the 90 day mark for our TA and i though i might as well check-in! I see that now they have included the below statement for your health acknowledgment.

I’m all in for the 14 day one.