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This crosses the line from cruising to political, and I’m aware that it’s not allowed,  but I’ll be honest, I’m not seeing the link between trying to control a pandemic and the murderous police force of 1930s-1940s Germany.
 

Especially when cruising is 100% voluntary.  
 

 

 

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I wont cruise with those rules......I wont get into the political side of all of this.....those who know me, know well how I think and feel about it....

 

But i wont travel anywhere under those rules and conditons...and I don't think many others will either to be honest.

 

Cruise industry is sunk if those rules are in place. I think cruise lines are going to have a terrible time surviving if cruising as we  knew it before was to come back the way it used to be, but defn wont with all these other conditions and restrictions and rules..... 

 

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3 hours ago, monctonguy said:

I wont cruise with those rules......I wont get into the political side of all of this.....those who know me, know well how I think and feel about it....

 

But i wont travel anywhere under those rules and conditons...and I don't think many others will either to be honest.

 

Cruise industry is sunk if those rules are in place. I think cruise lines are going to have a terrible time surviving if cruising as we  knew it before was to come back the way it used to be, but defn wont with all these other conditions and restrictions and rules..... 

 

Those rules are not in place forever and are only relevant to the local govt authorithy. 

In saying that I will gladly be on the first ship sailing with those rules and know many who are the same.

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1 hour ago, Yo2slick said:

Covid in itself is political in nature.  You can't talk about COVID without being on one side of the fence or the other.  If both sides can't openly express their view then maybe no more Covid posts???

Covid is apolitical.  It attacks and infects regardless of physical borders or virtual borders created by virtual fences created by politics.  

That's all well and good but when posts move beyond expressing a view and words are directed towards individuals it moves to another level beyond the scope of a cruise centric community. 

It's also disrespectful to the owner of this wonderful community and forum when posts venture well beyond the scope and purpose of this forum as established by its owner.  This is not a forum to discuss if Ford is better than Chevy, if Airbus is better than Boeing or if the price of tea in China is appropriate at the moment.  It's a simple request, keep it about cruising.  There are plenty of other places to talk about all the other stuff.

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13 minutes ago, twangster said:

Covid is apolitical.

This^^^

13 minutes ago, twangster said:

This is not a forum to discuss if Ford is better than Chevy, if Airbus is better than Boeing or if the price of tea in China is appropriate at the moment.  It's a simple request, keep it about cruising.  There are plenty of other places to talk about all the other stuff.

^^^and this!!

Thank you for wording that perfectly as always @twangster ?

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Whether you agree with the measures or not, you will most likely have the choice to go on the cruise or not. If anything, whenever cruises resume in other parts of the world, I would assume that there would be the option to cancel without penalty due to these measures, if not outright cancelling sailings and re adding new “measure introduced” mirror sailings that would probably be cheaper. 
 

That’s what happened in Singapore. All sailing were cancelled and replaced with the ocean getaways. The new sailing also had 50% off every passenger to make it a little more attractive. I don’t know about you, but if I can get $3000 off an initial price, measures or not, I will be more inclined to book it. 
 

Also, to give you a little insight on why maybe these measure work in Singapore and people still go on them. 
 

Singapore is an island (ie completely surrounded by water) smaller than the size of New York City. With closed borders, you’re basically stuck in a small place with no where to escape too. One thing to note about Singaporeans, is they like to travel, even weekend trips to Malaysia feels like a vacation from the bustle of City life. You can imagine the pent up need to leave Singapore. 
 

Add the fact that Singaporeans generally follow laws really closely. I’m sure you’ve heard we’re a “fine” country. Yes, you get fined for some of the smallest things and harder punishments for actual bad stuff. It’s not a bad thing, because personally, I like that I can be walking the street at 3am almost anywhere in Singapore and feel completely safe. 
 

Lastly, we do have COVID relatively under control. So much so, that I personally feel many Singaporeans are getting complacent. That being said, most everyone has gotten used to the measures we have on land. Masks are worn everywhere, regardless of your line of work. I wear my mask for 10 hours everyday, to the point that sometimes, my face feels naked without one now. Yeah, crazy I know. 
 

The need to vacation is so strong that staycations took off, but I would think for most people, between wearing a mask in a hotel and wearing a mask on a cruise. Most would choose the latter

 

Well, I think I’ll end my rant here. Hope you enjoy a little of perspective from a Singaporean 

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35 minutes ago, LogicallyLazy said:

Whether you agree with the measures or not, you will most likely have the choice to go on the cruise or not. If anything, whenever cruises resume in other parts of the world, I would assume that there would be the option to cancel without penalty due to these measures, if not outright cancelling sailings and re adding new “measure introduced” mirror sailings that would probably be cheaper. 
 

That’s what happened in Singapore. All sailing were cancelled and replaced with the ocean getaways. The new sailing also had 50% off every passenger to make it a little more attractive. I don’t know about you, but if I can get $3000 off an initial price, measures or not, I will be more inclined to book it. 
 

Also, to give you a little insight on why maybe these measure work in Singapore and people still go on them. 
 

Singapore is an island (ie completely surrounded by water) smaller than the size of New York City. With closed borders, you’re basically stuck in a small place with no where to escape too. One thing to note about Singaporeans, is they like to travel, even weekend trips to Malaysia feels like a vacation from the bustle of City life. You can imagine the pent up need to leave Singapore. 
 

Add the fact that Singaporeans generally follow laws really closely. I’m sure you’ve heard we’re a “fine” country. Yes, you get fined for some of the smallest things and harder punishments for actual bad stuff. It’s not a bad thing, because personally, I like that I can be walking the street at 3am almost anywhere in Singapore and feel completely safe. 
 

Lastly, we do have COVID relatively under control. So much so, that I personally feel many Singaporeans are getting complacent. That being said, most everyone has gotten used to the measures we have on land. Masks are worn everywhere, regardless of your line of work. I wear my mask for 10 hours everyday, to the point that sometimes, my face feels naked without one now. Yeah, crazy I know. 
 

The need to vacation is so strong that staycations took off, but I would think for most people, between wearing a mask in a hotel and wearing a mask on a cruise. Most would choose the latter

 

Well, I think I’ll end my rant here. Hope you enjoy a little of perspective from a Singaporean 

Singapore is one of the best places I have ever visited. Completely clean and as you say, it feels so safe. I look forward to returning someday soon, hopefully for another cruise!

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9 hours ago, Lovetocruise2002 said:

This^^^

^^^and this!!

Thank you for wording that perfectly as always @twangster ?

I love your posting. ?

I like flying Boeing, yet my older brother is a crew chief to maintain Airbus.  I drive a Toyota, yet my other brother drives a Chevy.   

I've always wondered were the phrase "What the price of tea in China" came from.  ?   These are the mysteries that plague us. ?  Yet here we are. 

SHOW ME THE CRUISE SHIP !!!! 

 

 

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These restrictions are like everything else in life. You have to stop at a red light, you might get lucky if you do not but eventually you will get tagged. Just because I have to obey traffic laws does not mean I refuse to drive my car because I do not like some of them. Will wearing a mask cause me to not enjoy the ocean breeze and sunshine, no. Will staying 6 feet away from a fellow passenger cause me to not enjoy the Dining hall, Windjammer, shows, getting a drink at the bar or simply walking the ship, no. And in the past I wish I was further than 6 feet from some of the fellow passengers. Will wearing a contact tracing bracelet cause me to not partake in a cruise, no. Just the chance that we can get out on the open deck and feel the sea breeze is more compelling than some minor, inconsequential items and restrictions that may be around for the next year. We are fortunate that where we are we are allowed to go out to eat, visit recreational areas and play sports (even for an old guy I still get out and play). There are restrictions like masks and distancing but it has not stopped us from continuing life. If requiring a vaccination (already done), wearing masks, taking tests (done several times) are a requirement to travel to a vacation especially a cruise so be it. Let the sailing begin and I for one will be one of the first in line.

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I'm still not sure I care about what rules are put in place for me to cruise (get me out of my house) but I'm still not comfortable being around groups of people and won't be until I have the vaccine. My first cruise will likely be local so I don't have to fly. Who knows, it's not like there are any options to cruise at the moment.

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Tracelets -- Don't really care, I can think of a few ways to have some fun with this one anyway... Staying in my cabin while leaving it hung on the door so it tags every person who walks past as being within my bubble. Sending my cabin mate around with both when getting something to eat or whatever, etc.  I think it's more of a gimmick than anything and won't do much good.  It's not like that by the end of the cruise you won't have come within 10 feet of nearly every person on the ship and IMHO that is what the bubble will end up being.  It's a wireless tech and sadly being wireless it's not all that reliable, I used to shoot WiFi connections 10 miles and hated troubleshooting problems because it's hard to test the air.  Sometimes it meant just swapping equipment while hoping that would fix it.  The worst was when I was able to see the tower with my naked eye and be unable to get a decent connection.

Limited time in the pools -- Fine not a problem as long as they also limit the times in the chairs so people can't horde them, maybe pick up towels left unattended.  I am more for the hot tub than the pool anyway and honestly would rather be 80 feet under the water.  

Limited tables for dining -- Meh, the ships are also going to have limited capacity as well so I doubt it's going to be a huge deal.

Temperature checks -- May ask for them to use my thermometer... Going to buy a rectal one so we can all thoroughly enjoy the experience. ?  But seriously, walk into a doctors office or hospital right now and they are doing temp checks as long as it's the non contact ones it's a few seconds.  And they won't be able to do them if you have been in the pool or the sun unless they plan to have a large waiting area because the water will throw the temp low and the sun will throw it high which means they will need a spot for a 5 minute sit down for the temps to normalize.

Limited seating in the theatre -- Who want's to sit right next to someone else anyway, usually at least one seat between anyway.  Also see limited tables for dining as that also applies here.  But hopefully they plan on adding in an extra show or two so everyone gets to enjoy.

Muster 2.0 -- You mean I don't have to stand in some smooshed together group and listen to some woman complaining about being there while her kids are running around like they have no manners and the baby is screaming?  Yes please!!

1 metre social distancing - 1 meter is personal bubble space to me.  I also doubt that a large chunk of people are going to truly follow that to the letter anyway, shoot tons of people don't wear masks either.  That is part of the reason why I use a P100 respirator instead of a cheap cloth mask that doesn't have a chance of sealing.  I also have received the 1st dose of the Pfizer C19 vaccine and get the second in a couple weeks, if any boosters come out I will probably have that earlier than the average person as well.

 

And finally I doubt a large chunk of this will matter by the time cruising gets going again.  They haven't even had a test cruise in the US yet and until they do I consider everything dead until further notice.  I just wish that RCCL would give some points for booking and trying to go, especially if they cancel.  The only thing I see sticking around for a while is temp checks and Muster 2.0 by the time I am getting on a ship again.  I think the temp thing will end up being a couple thermal cameras here and there near hallways and while coming on or off the ship.

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I'm a funeral director, I have seen the worst COVID has to offer.  That being said, I love cruises, my wife and I are fully vaccinated, and I will gladly put on a mask, follow any new rules, and get on a ship today!  I understand there would still be a risk, but I believe it would be safer than going to a local restaurant and much more enjoyable.

 

 

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On 1/29/2021 at 7:02 AM, CrznTxn said:

These restrictions are like everything else in life. You have to stop at a red light, you might get lucky if you do not but eventually you will get tagged. Just because I have to obey traffic laws does not mean I refuse to drive my car because I do not like some of them. Will wearing a mask cause me to not enjoy the ocean breeze and sunshine, no. Will staying 6 feet away from a fellow passenger cause me to not enjoy the Dining hall, Windjammer, shows, getting a drink at the bar or simply walking the ship, no. And in the past I wish I was further than 6 feet from some of the fellow passengers. Will wearing a contact tracing bracelet cause me to not partake in a cruise, no. Just the chance that we can get out on the open deck and feel the sea breeze is more compelling than some minor, inconsequential items and restrictions that may be around for the next year. We are fortunate that where we are we are allowed to go out to eat, visit recreational areas and play sports (even for an old guy I still get out and play). There are restrictions like masks and distancing but it has not stopped us from continuing life. If requiring a vaccination (already done), wearing masks, taking tests (done several times) are a requirement to travel to a vacation especially a cruise so be it. Let the sailing begin and I for one will be one of the first in line.

I agree!

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I'm truly torn..  On one hand I want to get back on a ship with my friends that I haven't seen since September of 2019..   Do I want to wear a mask at all times when I'm out of my stateroom..  Not really..   Will I? I just cant answer that right now... 

I have so many questions like having a cocktail do I take a drink and put my mask back up?  What if I'm smoking a cigarette and having a beer at the same time? (don't judge or say to quit.. I know)  Can I hug and shake hands with my friends onboard?   If I forget to put my mask back on for a minute will I be kicked off the ship at the next port? 

Some days I think yes.. Ill put up with the restrictions just to get back on a ship..  But I also think that it may be time to take all the money I've invested in our upcoming cruises and go do something else with the $8000.00 plus I've invested.. 

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5 minutes ago, RickinSTL said:

If I forget to put my mask back on for a minute will I be kicked off the ship at the next port? 

Probably not. I think the forced disembarkation is for people that flat out refuse after being told repeatedly to put their mask (back) on.

I could be totally wrong.

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16 minutes ago, Matt said:

Probably not. I think the forced disembarkation is for people that flat out refuse after being told repeatedly to put their mask (back) on.

I could be totally wrong.

Current protocol in retail settings (in my area) is to politely ask the person to put their mask on/pull it up/etc.  I rarely see someone without a mask being properly worn anymore.

The only people who refuse are those who are climbing on a soapbox, and they are not representative of the people I have been interacting with lately.

I would hope that there aren't a lot of people will pay for a cruise in order to make a final stand.  That being said, there are people out there who are instant jerks when alcohol is added.

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On 1/29/2021 at 7:13 PM, Cile said:

I just got my first vaccine 3 days ago. I am ready to go > I am hoping my first cruise is July 11. I don't mind if it is any restriction . It is still much better then any other vacation. 

I got my first a week ago.  My wife's getting hers this Friday.   

So hopefully we'll be flying to Tampa the last week of April and the last week of May. ? 

We're booked on Allure this Dec 5th. (got a great price on a Jr. Suite).

So hopefully the norovirus and the Covid Virus are under control. 

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On 1/24/2021 at 11:26 AM, CHRIS WONG said:

How do you feel about the new rules that have been displayed on Quantum?

 

  • Tracelets
  • Limited time in the pools
  • Limited tables for dining
  • Temperature checks
  • Limited seating in the theatre
  • Muster 2.0
  • 1 metre social distancing

 

Too strict, or fair?

 

 

So hopefully the norovirus and the Covid Virus will be under control.

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30 minutes ago, DD474 said:

So hopefully the norovirus and the Covid Virus will be under control.

Noro has long been "under control" on cruise ships.  That doesn't mean it doesn't happen on ships, but relative to other places in the US it is very minor on ships.  

The CDC themselves reports this:

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The CDC reports cruise ships account for around 1% of all reported cases, so few they don't make it onto the chart above.

  • Norovirus is the most frequent (over 90%) cause of outbreaks of diarrheal disease on cruise ships and these outbreaks often get media attention, which is why some people call norovirus the “cruise ship virus.” However, norovirus outbreaks on cruise ships account for only a small percentage (1%) of all reported norovirus outbreaks.

https://www.cdc.gov/norovirus/trends-outbreaks/outbreaks.html

You are almost twice as likely to get noro in a private residence (1.9% vs. 1%)

You are 6 times more likely to get noro at a school or daycare.

You are 22 times more likely to get noro at a land based restaurant. 

The highest number of noro outbreaks occur in health care facilities accounting for 62% of all reported cases.

In reality though on land many noro outbreaks are never reported so the odds are likely even better on cruise ships where noro outbreaks have to be reported per federal regulations.  If a local restaurant, church or high school has an outbreak there are no federal regulations requiring it to be reported to the CDC and local media might not even report it.  

That's the frustrating aspect of the pandemic.  Cruise ships get a lot of attention meanwhile the virus is spreading out of control in many places but it's much harder to determine if spread occured on a city bus or an airplane even though those are one of so many places that spread is occuring.  Meanwhile cruise ships are locked down while other spreading venues are free to carry on. 

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