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Thought I would share...

It's all so exhausting...may shut off all interest in cruising and wait to see if any of this flip flopping ever ends.

10 minutes ago, CruizIan said:

 

Those are two separate ships though.

Oh wow....that usually happens on a Friday...Not having a good day...my eyes deceive me. Thanks for pointing that out.

The way Explorer took to get to the east coast is how I predict other ships will take to get to the west cost. I don't know that information. Does anyone else?

13 hours ago, Matt said:

you should have a large tolerance for change and uncertainty.

I am in a 12 step program for my addiction to certainty, and say the Serenity Prayer when I remember to if I am triggered.

my take...it will be a mess for a month or two as things shake out and loosen up.

It didn't take long for Fain's video to turn into scolding word salad for me. Another reason why I am waiting it all out.

It's scenarios like these that led me to cancel everything several months ago, grit my teeth and wait it all out until cruising fully resumes. It relegated me to a couple of land vacations. It could be a LOT worse, and I am grateful for the opportunities I have and the memories of being on RC ships. Ultimately, it is helping me save some money for when the right situation comes along even if it pushes against my addiction to certainty. I will say that if Royal brokers an insurance transaction even if they aren't an agent, that they should go to bat on those refunds. They should insist n that with those carriers.

let it all play out...segregating and division won't work for anyone

14 hours ago, twangster said:

I did it folks.  Just like I said I would.

I went to a bar, drank a beer and ate a grilled mahi sandwich.  

In retrospect reading CDC guidance I realize my life is now over.  I didn't wear a mask for the entire meal.   I ate bite after bite, drinking swig after swig of glorious food and beverage indoors at a bar.  Even though I'm fully vaccinated and even though I left a nice tip my life is over per CDC guidance.

Apparently I vaccinated for no reason. 

In case I am whisked off tomorrow and placed on a ventilator you'll know why I haven't stopped by the message boards.  

At least I'll go knowing the CDC saved me from a cruise ship given their guidance didn't save me from myself.

move to TN (or FL)...we've been in restaurants and churches (maskless) in areas other than Nashville and Memphis since JULY with numbers that are similar to or better than states that are still locked down. Makes you wonder.

is there a chance that a "CDC is Drunk with Power Fueled by Word Salad, so Vent Here" forum can be set up?

My question is....will there be swag for the simulators?

Announcements will happen when they happen and cruising will start when it starts. It seems like with all the news last week, a lot of pressure came off the CDC. I wonder if that's a good thing (I think that's a bad thing because I am too much of a pessimist). I'd love to see more news about the lawsuits and of the CDC being dragged through the mud. I just want our certainty back so we can YOLO book it when we want and know we are going to sail...unless there's a charter that pushes me out.

21 hours ago, Matt said:

The quarters are fixed time periods, so you can't juke the numbers quite like that.

However, the longer time they take, the more potential better news you can share to offset what I am certain will be another billion dollar loss.

Isn't each billion dollar loss equivalent to the time it takes to capitalize a new ship now? I wonder how many ships would have been in the fleet without the pandemic verses with by the year 2025.

I agree with the sentiment regarding inconsistency in some areas. The thing that puzzles me are the times I do mock bookings and it is cheaper to pick my own room than a guarantee. I wonder if those issues are IT related or some sort of marketing strategy I don't understand. I also wonder if their financial analysts are trying to get so dialed in with maximizing revenue during booking and on board, they do it at the expense of those who are less forgiving of the inconsistency.

If there are any cabins to consider that are awesome...I wish I did it when I sailed on her...are the panoramic ocean view cabins on deck 12...there are also 14 of them that have balconies. They will sell out fast because there aren't many of them.

I've liked DeSantis because he throws it back in the face of the press when they take things out of context...I like him even more for suing the CDC...if any Floridians want to send him to TN so you can take our loser governor, I am into that.

7 hours ago, Traveler said:

Oh , but you know what will happen , yes the CDC will announce the  simple protocols in few days and it will be something like that :

1. Only people that got two vaccine shots will be allowed to board  beside people that got it from Pfizer , AZ, Moderna or any Chinese/Russian vaccine , your are OK if you got two shots of the JJ vaccine.

2. People who want to cruise will need to bring a letter from their  doctor proving they never catch  a cold in their life .

3. The ship Captain name should start with Z and and with X , captains who changed their name on the last 10 years can not participate.

4. The number of people who are allowed on the ship will be calculate by the fowling simple formula  length of the ship divided by the number of floors multiply by the integral of the ship stern multiply by square root   of -1/2 +   but no more than 10.5 including the crew.

5. The ship will be divided to 4x4 areas to avoid social contact  , each area will be paint with one of 3 different colors while each area can not have a border with an area that has the same color.

6. Once the ships will be ready  a one year test can start from Johnston atoll. 

 

 

 

6 hours ago, twangster said:

You missed a couple...

7.  All internal walls including cabin walls need to removed so the inside of the ship  is one large space.  In addition all exterior windows need to be removed and all decks above removed so essentially everywhere on the ship is outdoors at all times.  Maska are required while any passenger or crew is indoors including but not limited to indoor spaces that are now outdoor spaces.  

8. Test cruises will be comprised of inmates from maximum security prisons who have been granted pardons. In the event there are not enough pardoned inmates available cruise lines may petition prison wardens for unpardoned inmates using form 23.76.162.a which will be created in phase three once all test cruises have been completed in phase two.

9. One doctor for each passenger is required, including a dedicated doctor for each doctor.  Each doctor's doctor shall also have a dedicated doctor.  The doctor's doctor can be another doctor, but the doctor's doctor's doctor can not be a ship's doctor.   Each doctor shall have three nurses.  A ship's doctor can be a doctor for a nurse but a nurse can not be a nurse for a doctor unless they are from the same household.

10.  Any ship that has completed a test cruise can apply for a certificate to sail prior to completing a test cruise but not after completing a test cruise.  A ship can not apply for a certificate to sail prior to completing a test cruise.  Any ship that applies for a certificate to sail prior to completing a test cruise will be disqualified for a period of three years.  Ships that meet all requirements to apply for a certificate to sail must quarantine for a period of 2 months after receiving their certificate to sail before they can submit an application to quarantine.  Once they have completed the quarantine period they can apply for a waiver to not quarantine unless they already have received a certificate to sail.  

@twangsterand @Traveler apply world class instructional satire that exceeds that of the Onion and Babylon Bee in a world where their headlines no longer appear absurd.

Florida and Alaska reps are already exerting pressure. We need to get flyover reps aware and involved. Becerra is not going to do anything until these agencies are shamed publicly. It's the language they speak, so I have my duolingo app set on it.

1 hour ago, twangster said:

I think it's great but I'm not sure Michael Bayley penned it.

This is from CLIA.

1 hour ago, Matt said:

It's the CLIA letter, but I'm glad to see a more firm stance.

Big duhhhhh...I get in a hurry sometimes....it was posted on Michael Bayley's FB page this morning...the fact that he reposted seems pretty significant to me....I wonder if he participated in drafting it as a member of CLIA. Thanks for the correction.

I saw this was posted on FB earlier this morning...I bet half this forum has seen it already, but I have to say, it's about time for this tone of a letter, and I think it's spot on.

I'd like for Royal to consider a policy for those who have had it and don't see a need for a vaccine.

7 minutes ago, Lovetocruise2002 said:

And on that note, friendly reminder that if this thread has no relation to cruising, it shouldn't be here in the first place.  As @Matthas asked time and time again, keep it related.  There are other places for all these other topics.

For those of us who are likely to abandon cruising if private companies require it, and are disgusted with inconsistencies among worthless American "authorities," I think it does have relation to cruising. Letters and emails to our political betters who we put in office might yield a form letter response as it falls on deaf ears (I get responses about 30% of the time), because no on can criticize the CDC.

No one in DC will respond or listen. You may get a form letter back. There aren't enough of us to make an impact. Cruising is probably done.