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This link has been updated. Evidently Royal offered them refund or 125% FCC. 
Seems the organizers are the ones to blame here and not Royal. 
 
https://www.tmz.com/2020/04/01/royal-caribbean-cruise-nursecon-no-refunds-credit/

All you need to know is from this paragraph (not that anyone reads that far down)
 

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Just so sad that an innocent young toddler lost their life due to the incredible negligence of an adult behaving badly. ?

Shoved off right on time at 3:00 on the dot. The Captain took us for a harbor tour around the Statue of Liberty and lower Manhattan.  The weather completely sucked but it was still a really nice trip.  I had heard that they did this from time-to-time, but had never been lucky enough to have it happen for us.

 
Sorry....bad picture.  I’m no a Twangster.
 

Hatin' on New York isn't hatin' on New Jersey - they hate on each other more than others hate on either of them.

I agree @Manana Chkadua  This has always what my husband and I discussed when we saw this picture.  Why on earth did you raise her up when there is glass for her to view from standing?
Why would anyone with a smidgen of common sense in their brain, say, yep Royal is at fault after seeing him bend out the window before lifting her up and holding her?  I just do not get it at all.  He physically leaned out the window.  Sorry, but color vision deficiency, and not knowing the window was open due to tinting does not equate in the defense when there is video proof that prior to lifting her he leaned out the window for close to ten seconds.
Let's be real, I don't care if it was 2 seconds he leaned.  It would only take me 2 seconds to lean before I banged my head on the window.  He leaned his body out the window, for what I believe was 8 seconds.  Do the true count with me now...1 Mississippi....  
 

What bothers me the most, all pictures showing Chloe banging on the window at the hokey game show her standing on the floor as these window are similar to the wall of windows from the floor to the ceiling at the pool area of  Freedom of the Seas. The grandpa did not need to put her over the safety barrier and on the narrow window ledge (so called baby play area!). If he kept her on the floor as she was shown at the ice rink, she would be alive. It was solely the Grandpa moronic action which killed her. I hate to see her family going to the bank with a fat check from RCL after the poor child died because of their negligence (or something more sinister). I paid my cruise fare, watched my child and had a good time. Kid is in his twenties and plans to go for RCL cruise for the honeymoon.  I hope the courts take these pictures in their considerations -they show how preposterous is their lawsuit.

Ugh, sailing on Liberty on the 16th, and just got a call from the school about my kid who has a fever.....this will be me for the next week. 

Feb. 6, 2020, 4:55 PM EST By David K. Li and Krista Brunson A federal judge Wednesday refused to stop a lawsuit filed by the parents of a little girl who accidentally fell to her death off a cruise ship last year.
Royal Caribbean Cruises had sought to end the federal civil action by Indiana residents Alan and Kim Wiegand, whose 18-month-old daughter, Chloe, suffered a fatal fall on July 7 from the ship Freedom of the Seas.
    Both the cruise line's motion to dismiss and U.S. District Judge Donald Graham's ruling were expected. Both sides still have a long way to go in exchanging evidence before any judgment can be made, according to the judge.

Feb. 6, 2020, 4:55 PM EST By David K. Li and Krista Brunson A federal judge Wednesday refused to stop a lawsuit filed by the parents of a little girl who accidentally fell to her death off a cruise ship last year.
Royal Caribbean Cruises had sought to end the federal civil action by Indiana residents Alan and Kim Wiegand, whose 18-month-old daughter, Chloe, suffered a fatal fall on July 7 from the ship Freedom of the Seas.
    Both the cruise line's motion to dismiss and U.S. District Judge Donald Graham's ruling were expected. Both sides still have a long way to go in exchanging evidence before any judgment can be made, according to the judge.

Noticed today that you only need to enter in the information for one guest now to price a cruise...lets you get to the refundable deposit option much quicker now!

Am I reading too much in to that statement or does that sound sinister to anyone else?
If they knew about the camera, what? they would have chosen another window that a camera couldn't see?

Trying to get video evidence thrown out is the hallmark of guilty people everywhere.

Prediction: not long after the trial concludes, this will be on Dateline.

Knowing what I do about the legal system and the way people's minds work, I predict that if Grandpa is found guilty in the criminal trial (and I hope he is), the family will cry, "Unfair!" and they'll appeal, and forever believe that it was RCCL's fault. It's far more comfortable than accepting the truth, which is too horrible.
I wonder how Grandma and Grandpa's marriage is doing, and how it was before this. If I felt like spending a couple of years writing a novel, I can cook up a terrific backstory here!
 

We were also on Adventure and was wondering the same if Freedom is set up the same as Adventure as in the photo shown above by @F1guynz ?  Is this a picture of Freedom?  This is what it looked like on Adventure and I didn't understand how the grandfather could put the baby on the rail and not know the window was there...and how the child was leaning over enough?  But thought maybe that is not the set up on Freedom and it was simply the window opening. 

This is a photo I found of the railing in relation to the window.

 

All it takes is to be on a RC ship near a window to know that it has a green tint and wind comes thru open windows..... But with is Video it is clear as day that RC did nothing wrong. 

So now the family wants the CCTV recorded images of the tragedy dropped because the CCTV camera lied! They want to continue to insist that window ledge on the 11th floor of the ship is a baby play area! And the grandpa who is supposedly working as IT man and drives cars, cannot tell whether the window is open? If the video gets thrown out and he gets acquitted, I think our justice system would need total overhaul. They are all for the money before even the child body turn cold. He should go to jail and the parents should get nothing!

Stupidity might be his only defense.

If stupidity was a crime we would need many, many more prisons.