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Hi everyone,

I'm new to this forum, and new to cruises—I'll be going on my first cruise on 4/30 out of Miami on Enchantment of the Seas. I've done my best to research and answer my own questions, but still have a few things I'm hoping you all can help me with.

I'm very interested in the perk that gets the 5% casino convenience fee waived.

It seems like the only way to get this perk is to have Club Royale status. My understanding is that the Club Royale program changed recently, and the criteria for gaining status is in flux. With that said the genera idea is that you get the status when you accrue 1000 points in the casino. Status in the program is indicated by a sticker on your SeaPass card, which grants you free drinks and the fee waiver when in the casino.

Does all that sound correct? Anything I'm misunderstanding or missing out on? Are there other ways to get Club Royale status?

Given that:

Do you all know if it's possible to get the 5% fee waived without being in Club Royale?

Is there anyway to get the sticker on your SeaPass without having Club Royale status?

If Club Royale membership is the only way, I may try to go for that. 

Can I get Club Royale status+perks while on my first trip, or is it only available on subsequent cruises? Say, for example, I gamble enough to earn 1000 points on the first evening, will I get Club Royale and associated perks for the remainder of the cruise?

What is the rate that points accrue? I read on here that playing $5k in slots = 1,000 points, i.e. $5 = 1 point. What if I'm playing table games? Can be points be earned in other ways?

Is there a daily limit to what you can charge to the SeaPass from the casino? If so what is it?

Sorry for the million questions. Thank you in advance for any help!!

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This statement shows your Net Win/(Loss) for play while using your SeaPass card. All winnings, including W2Gs (hand-paid jackpots) and all losses, are reflected in the Total Win/(Loss) for the period

I have found the slots on my last three RC cruises very very lucrative.  Won 11.5 thousand off 20 dollars I started with this last cruise—2500 points to get prime status — 25000 for next level.   I dr

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6 hours ago, JohnScribbles said:

Hi everyone,

I'm new to this forum, and new to cruises—I'll be going on my first cruise on 4/30 out of Miami on Enchantment of the Seas. I've done my best to research and answer my own questions, but still have a few things I'm hoping you all can help me with.

I'm very interested in the perk that gets the 5% casino convenience fee waived.

It seems like the only way to get this perk is to have Club Royale status. My understanding is that the Club Royale program changed recently, and the criteria for gaining status is in flux. With that said the genera idea is that you get the status when you accrue 1000 points in the casino. Status in the program is indicated by a sticker on your SeaPass card, which grants you free drinks and the fee waiver when in the casino.

Does all that sound correct? Anything I'm misunderstanding or missing out on? Are there other ways to get Club Royale status?
I have been a club Royale member since 2012. Back then getting in was totally different. But I don't think only getting 1000 points automatically qualifies you for Club Royale and the perks I think 1000 points is currently what you need to KEEP your status. I really have no idea how you initially get in. What you need to do is on the first night of the cruise find the Casino Host. Let them know you plan on gambling quite a bit and what do you need to do to recieve the club Royale VIP sticker so that you can have the 5% fee waved and free drinks in the casino. I feel like currently until they finally roll out this new program (which they claim is coming April 1st but I'm not holding my breathe) each boat and casino host makes up their own rules so you Really need to find the host and ask them. 
Given that:

Do you all know if it's possible to get the 5% fee waived without being in Club Royale?- They will only wave the fee if you have the club Royale sticker 

Is there anyway to get the sticker on your SeaPass without having Club Royale status?- No you have to get the sticker from the Host and they check your name on a list 

If Club Royale membership is the only way, I may try to go for that. 

Can I get Club Royale status+perks while on my first trip, or is it only available on subsequent cruises? Say, for example, I gamble enough to earn 1000 points on the first evening, will I get Club Royale and associated perks for the remainder of the cruise?  Please see my above answer for talking to the host

What is the rate that points accrue? I read on here that playing $5k in slots = 1,000 points, i.e. $5 = 1 point. What if I'm playing table games? Can be points be earned in other ways? Points can also be earned in table games.. I play blackjack. However, points are earned much slower when playing table games because the odds are much better than slots 

Is there a daily limit to what you can charge to the SeaPass from the casino? If so what is it? - Yes it is $5,000 on your sea pass card 

Sorry for the million questions. Thank you in advance for any help!!- Feel free to write back with any more questions. Happy to help a fellow gambler 

 

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2 hours ago, AGSLC5 said:

Points can also be earned in table games.. I play blackjack. However, points are earned much slower when playing table games because the odds are much better than slots 

Interesting point. How does the payout rate on the ship's slot machines compare to that in a land casino in Vegas or Atlantic City? I've been on the fence about whether to play craps or the slots, and if the slots are that much worse on the ships then I'll definitely stick with craps.

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Stephanie pretty much laid it out above - at least, as much as we know.

In the good old days, it used to take 2100 points to get VIP status but with the new program (which has taken at least 4 years to be implemented and still isn't done !) I really have no idea how it's going to work.  According to literature that came out a number of months ago, the number of points required to have the waived convenience fee is now Tier 2 (they are calling it "Prime").  That level is 2500 - 24,999 points but that is an accumulated points value over a given period of time (that is also a hot mess).  But it seems like they are indicating that you must attain Tier 2 to be able to qualify for the "sticker".  I suspect that this what the host/hostess will tell you.  If you can accumulate 2500 points in 1 sailing - great !  ....or you can accumulate 2500 points over a time period, which, in the future I think, will be 1 year.

You can probably find this chart as Matt posted it when this information can out.  I have no idea how to successfully search the blog so I'm no help to you with finding it.

As Stephanie said, I think the 1000 points that everyone is repeating, is a minimum value that you must attain on EVERY cruise (after you are already a member) in order to requalify for the sticker on the next cruise.

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@WAAAYTOOO, usually adds this bit, but with the rules changing maybe this changes now.

I was told to go see the Casino Host/hostess on the first day/night, introduce yourself, tell them you are a 1st time Royal cruiser, so first time Casino Royal gambler, ask them the same questions above, most importantly, continue to go back and visit, letting them see your face etc.. By the end of the cruise they should recognize you and depending on your gambling habits throughout the week, you can ask if you have earned any perks from that cruise or for future cruises.

I did what I explained above and even though I didn't gamble very much, or I thought I hadn't, i received a cruise certificate as well as i called Casino Royal when i got home and received a discounted cruise on top of the certificate. 

Hope this helps, WAAAYTOOO, thoughts?

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1 hour ago, JLMoran said:

Interesting point. How does the payout rate on the ship's slot machines compare to that in a land casino in Vegas or Atlantic City? I've been on the fence about whether to play craps or the slots, and if the slots are that much worse on the ships then I'll definitely stick with craps.

I find the slots to be much "tighter" on ships because they are not regulated or have any rules to follow like in Vegas and AC. I have been to Vegas and AC lots of times and win on the slots there way more than on a cruise ship. However, some people do win big on cruise ship slots I just don't think its the norm. I personally stick to blackjack when I am on ships as I tend to win more on that than slots. Now if I am trying to get that balcony certificate and I am a few points shy I play some slots because its easier to earn points that way. 

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Vegas has a gambling commission that sets the percentage machines have to be set to for payouts and conducts regular book and physical audits to enforce compliance.  As far as I know, RCI can do whatever it wants and doesn't have to answer to anybody on what their payouts are supposed to be vs. actually set to, so I think it's safe to assume the slots are much tighter.

Tables usually have better odds anyway.

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12 minutes ago, Orange Crush said:

Tables usually have better odds anyway.

True, but it was reported here that the craps tables only have single odds which makes playing them a bit worse than a land casino, where I usually get at least double odds. So it seems their casinos are just designed to be overall more heavily tilted in the house's favor than a comparable place on land. The joys of gambling in international waters. :33_unamused:

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It's all about competition.  On a cruise ship there isn't any.  In Las Vegas or anywhere else where there are casinos, they have lots of competition from other casinos so they have to be competitive.  On a cruise ship, you are a captive audience.  It's true that the craps tables only have single odds.  That sucks for craps players.  Some of the BJ tables only pay 3:2 on a BJ (I think the high minimum tables pay 2:1).  If you're on a cruise ship and you want to play craps, what do you do ?  You either take their shi**y single odds or you don't play !

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2 hours ago, tiny260 said:

@WAAAYTOOO, usually adds this bit, but with the rules changing maybe this changes now.

I was told to go see the Casino Host/hostess on the first day/night, introduce yourself, tell them you are a 1st time Royal cruiser, so first time Casino Royal gambler, ask them the same questions above, most importantly, continue to go back and visit, letting them see your face etc.. By the end of the cruise they should recognize you and depending on your gambling habits throughout the week, you can ask if you have earned any perks from that cruise or for future cruises.

I did what I explained above and even though I didn't gamble very much, or I thought I hadn't, i received a cruise certificate as well as i called Casino Royal when i got home and received a discounted cruise on top of the certificate. 

Hope this helps, WAAAYTOOO, thoughts?

Tiny got it 100% right !  It's about being seen and being known.  AND believe it or not, the pit bosses take note as to which players tip the dealers and which ones do not.  Right or wrong, that's just the way it is.  I don't think the new rules are going to affect this aspect at ALL.  It is probably even more important now than it was before BECAUSE with the new program, there are WAAAY more Club Royale members than there used to be.  All you have to do now is insert your card into a slot machine or have your card scanned at a table and you're in !  That doesn't necessarily mean that you will be a comped player, but you are now a member of the Club.  So you must be able to differentiate yourself from the herd.  Making friends with the Manager and Casino Host/ess is the best way to do that.

Here's how I know it works.  There are up sides and down sides to gambling in the big ship casinos.  The up side is that there are more tables, more space and much more activity.  The down side is that there are LOTS more people.  I have noticed that when we gamble on the O class ships, I am less able to interact with management.  They are busy, they are distracted and they have a lot of people vying for their time.  Consequently, even though my gambling habits are identical, no matter which ship class I am on, my rewards are consistently lower on the big ships than they are on the smaller ships, where we are able to get to know the casino management better.  I still love the casinos on the big ships....but my certificates are generally lower and I rarely have much face time with the host at all.  It's the big fish, big pond syndrome.  Of course, I am NOT a big fish and never will be but even a small fish in a small pond is more easily noticed than a big fish in a big pond.  There are usually WAAAY bigger fish in that pond on the big ships.

 

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15 minutes ago, WAAAYTOOO said:

Of course, I am NOT a big fish and never will be

Considering you've told us how much you typically wager in a day and over the course of a cruise, I shudder to think how much you have to wager to be considered a big fish! :51_scream:

Me, with my paltry little wagering budget... I'll be thankful if they just count me as a minnow! Or maybe an anchovy... I really like anchovies...

Mmmm, anchovy pizza...

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28 minutes ago, WAAAYTOOO said:

It's all about competition.  On a cruise ship there isn't any.  In Las Vegas or anywhere else where there are casinos, they have lots of competition from other casinos so they have to be competitive.  On a cruise ship, you are a captive audience.  It's true that the craps tables only have single odds.  That sucks for craps players.  Some of the BJ tables only pay 3:2 on a BJ (I think the high minimum tables pay 2:1).  If you're on a cruise ship and you want to play craps, what do you do ?  You either take their shi**y single odds or you don't play !

just wanted to comment on the blackjack part... You want blackjack to pay 3:2.. its 6:5 that you don't want.. The new rule on the ships for blackjack which I know for a fact because the pit bosses told me this Rule came into effect this past summer is if you are playing at a blackjack table and the minimum bet is less than $25 a hand the odds are shit 6:5. $25 and over a hand is the good 3:2. I usually bet anywhere between $25-$100 a hand based on how its going so for me it doesn't matter. Plus I personally won't sit at a table with a minimum of less than $25 a hand because I only like to play with other blackjack players who know what they are doing. Newbies and people who don't know the game don't tend to follow the "Rules" and it upsets me so I stick with a more seasoned crowd. 

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36 minutes ago, JLMoran said:

Considering you've told us how much you typically wager in a day and over the course of a cruise, I shudder to think how much you have to wager to be considered a big fish! :51_scream:

Me, with my paltry little wagering budget... I'll be thankful if they just count me as a minnow! Or maybe an anchovy... I really like anchovies...

Mmmm, anchovy pizza...

It always comes back around to pizza, doesn't it ??

:)

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36 minutes ago, AGSLC5 said:

just wanted to comment on the blackjack part... You want blackjack to pay 3:2.. its 6:5 that you don't want.. The new rule on the ships for blackjack which I know for a fact because the pit bosses told me this Rule came into effect this past summer is if you are playing at a blackjack table and the minimum bet is less than $25 a hand the odds are shit 6:5. $25 and over a hand is the good 3:2. I usually bet anywhere between $25-$100 a hand based on how its going so for me it doesn't matter. Plus I personally won't sit at a table with a minimum of less than $25 a hand because I only like to play with other blackjack players who know what they are doing. Newbies and people who don't know the game don't tend to follow the "Rules" and it upsets me so I stick with a more seasoned crowd. 

Well, as you can see, I am NOT a Blackjack player !  Thanks, Stephanie

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3 hours ago, tiny260 said:

@WAAAYTOOO, usually adds this bit, but with the rules changing maybe this changes now.

I was told to go see the Casino Host/hostess on the first day/night, introduce yourself, tell them you are a 1st time Royal cruiser, so first time Casino Royal gambler, ask them the same questions above, most importantly, continue to go back and visit, letting them see your face etc.. By the end of the cruise they should recognize you and depending on your gambling habits throughout the week, you can ask if you have earned any perks from that cruise or for future cruises.

I did what I explained above and even though I didn't gamble very much, or I thought I hadn't, i received a cruise certificate as well as i called Casino Royal when i got home and received a discounted cruise on top of the certificate. 

Hope this helps, WAAAYTOOO, thoughts?

When you say that you dont think you gambled that much, what were you playing and betting?

Thanks!

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The amount is speculative, it is not necessarily how much you spend out of pocket, but how much you go through during the process of the week, winning, losing, back and forth.

Say you are playing a slot machine, you put $200 in the machine, you play that down to $100, you hit a small jackpot for $300, so now you are sitting at $400, you play that down to some amount that you decide is enough and then you cash out of that night. You would not just be tracked on the original $200 you started with but all of the money you put through the machine during the amount of time you sat there. @WAAAYTOOO has said in the past, it's not the amount of money you use but the amount of time you spend in the casino. I believe most people understand that the longer you stay in a casino the odds (I believe) end up favoring the casino, not you.

To answer your question in a round about way, I took $2500 for gambling.

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On Harmony this December, it was either 4,000or 4,500 points to earn a free balcony room.  They're on select cruises or you can simply use the certificate as a $1,000 credit for the  cruise of your choice. If my memory serves (which it often doesn't) we only had to earn 1,000 points to become Club Royale, but again, I'm not confident of that amount. I'm sure once they have any of your information they will fill up your inbox with messages of their promotions etc., especially if they are changing the program.

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I discovered something very interesting during my last Oasis of the Seas cruise. I was speaking with the casino host to find out how my points were doing toward the cruise certificate (2400 for an inside cabin, 3600 for an oceanview cabin, 4800 for a balcony cabin). She checked my points which were about 2500, and then did some more checking and said that due to my "actual", I had already qualified for a balcony certificate.

I had long thought that it was merely the points earned by money wagered through the machines that only mattered, but apparently, what you've lost is also a factor for the certificates.

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1 hour ago, Marc said:

I had long thought that it was merely the points earned by money wagered through the machines that only mattered, but apparently, what you've lost is also a factor for the certificates.

Yes, your rating (on both land and cruise casinos) is based off your total "play through". So if you bet $100 of your own cash, then won $200 net before losing all of it and calling it a day, your play through should be calculated as somewhere around $300. Likewise, if you put in $100, then proceeded to win and lose evenly for a total of $300 before cashing out your original $100, your total play at that point is also around $300. I say "around" because it may vary a little depending on how they do the exact computation, but that should be a pretty fair guesstimate.

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10 hours ago, Marc said:

I discovered something very interesting during my last Oasis of the Seas cruise. I was speaking with the casino host to find out how my points were doing toward the cruise certificate (2400 for an inside cabin, 3600 for an oceanview cabin, 4800 for a balcony cabin). She checked my points which were about 2500, and then did some more checking and said that due to my "actual", I had already qualified for a balcony certificate.

I had long thought that it was merely the points earned by money wagered through the machines that only mattered, but apparently, what you've lost is also a factor for the certificates.

Marc, you raise a very important point....and that is that it is very important to have the casino host/hostess verify your points, your play and your rewards.  I have seen and read about waaaytooo many people who have not had their points properly calculated or registered.  I have learned after years of experience that they cut off the points calculation at LEAST 1 day before the end of the cruise so that they can prepare the certificates...but these certificates are based on the accumulated points up to that point so anything you play after they cut off is not calculated UNLESS you intercede and force them to add the play for your last day or so.  On my last 2 cruises I have had my certificate upgraded b/c they had closed out the points count and I then subsequently reached a higher level with play the last day.  DO NOT take their word for it !

BTW, I am writing all of this for the benefit of others, Marc.  I know that you know all of this already !  :11_blush::11_blush:

Hope we can sail together again.  We enjoyed meeting you and Brian on Liberty.  Those were the good ol' days when you got to stack certificates + casino rates !

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4 hours ago, Boston Babe said:

@WAAAYTOOO, I am still confused. What do the points mean? You get 2000 points after spending $2000 for instance? or can you just sit there, play each night and keep tipping and that works too. We plan on gambling but not to the extent of spending my next cruise final payment! LOL 

The points system is very esoteric.  As Stephanie discussed on another thread, the points awarded for table games is different from what you are awarded if you are a slots player.  With slots, it is very easy to tack your play.  They know exactly what you're putting through the machines and precisely how much you are winning or losing.  With table games it's really a semi-quantitative system, most primarily it's qualitative.  For slots, points are (generalization here) awarded at the rate of 1 point = $5 wagered.  It is less for video poker 1 point = $10 I think.  Sitting at a table for a couple of hours a couple of times during the cruise is not going to get you a free cruise.  It would take approximately 4 hours EVERY day of the cruise to amount to anything so anyone wishing to be a casual player probably shouldn't expect much in the way of awards.

According to all that I've heard, the new program will be a points accumulation system.  So, if they start their program in April 2018 (which, by all accounts, they will) and you accumulate 2500 points on each of 4 cruises a year (which is about what we do), you would have 10,000 points at the end of the evaluation period, which would put you in the "Prime" tier.  It takes 25K points to make it to the next tier and I don't see that happening for me.  I'm not that big a player.  At any rate, it seems that the points accumulation system will definitely favor those who cruise frequently and make it harder for those who cruise less frequently.

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On 3/22/2018 at 6:06 AM, AGSLC5 said:

 

I have a question...have any of the gamblers here ever won anything significant on a cruise?  Are they upheld to all casino laws on the cruise?  I'm guessing they are?  Just curious.  I've done the slots and played Black-Jack on all the cruises I've been on but I've never EVER walked away with one red cent.  

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