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Who is surprised that RCI is giving out new/different information from what we all seem to think?

I hope more ports will impose such vaccination requirements since the lines (and Florida) are unwilling. 

I hope more ports will impose such vaccination requirements since the lines (and Florida) are unwilling. 

I hope more ports will impose such vaccination requirements since the lines (and Florida) are unwilling. 

If I were Royal Caribbean, I'd be looking at adding a St. Thomas visit on every sailing from a Florida port. ?

I hope more ports will impose such vaccination requirements since the lines (and Florida) are unwilling. 

I hope more ports will impose such vaccination requirements since the lines (and Florida) are unwilling. 

I hope more ports will impose such vaccination requirements since the lines (and Florida) are unwilling. 

I hope more ports will impose such vaccination requirements since the lines (and Florida) are unwilling. 

I hope more ports will impose such vaccination requirements since the lines (and Florida) are unwilling. 

More testing means one thing: More cases (and thus more cancelled cruises). Not sure it’s safer for the vaccinated, but we’re all about bending over backwards for the unvaccinated in the US, so here we are. 

More testing means one thing: More cases (and thus more cancelled cruises). Not sure it’s safer for the vaccinated, but we’re all about bending over backwards for the unvaccinated in the US, so here we are. 

and that's your opinion, which you have a right to, but not everyone can just get an appt to get tested 3 days before a sailing.. not so easy. 

Very unfortunate.  Way too much testing of non-sick people going on and almost exclusively to protect people who won't get vaccinated.  
RCI should be allowed to sail 100% vaccinated cruises.  Florida, much more than the CDC, really messed things up for them.

Very unfortunate.  Way too much testing of non-sick people going on and almost exclusively to protect people who won't get vaccinated.  
RCI should be allowed to sail 100% vaccinated cruises.  Florida, much more than the CDC, really messed things up for them.

The chances of the CSO not being extended are probably less than 2%.  The bigger question is what new requirements are the CDC and cruise lines going to impose on the vaccinated between now and then.  

Very unfortunate.  Way too much testing of non-sick people going on and almost exclusively to protect people who won't get vaccinated.  
RCI should be allowed to sail 100% vaccinated cruises.  Florida, much more than the CDC, really messed things up for them.

Very unfortunate.  Way too much testing of non-sick people going on and almost exclusively to protect people who won't get vaccinated.  
RCI should be allowed to sail 100% vaccinated cruises.  Florida, much more than the CDC, really messed things up for them.

Very unfortunate.  Way too much testing of non-sick people going on and almost exclusively to protect people who won't get vaccinated.  
RCI should be allowed to sail 100% vaccinated cruises.  Florida, much more than the CDC, really messed things up for them.

Basically, CDC is saying that it won't broadly enforce the general mask order that applies to all transportation (i.e., all people at all places on a ship) as long as cruise lines voluntarily follow the CSO.  If a cruise line declines to follow the CSO, then the CDC will vigorously enforce the mask requirement at all times on the non-CSO-compliant ship.
Looks to me like the CDC remains in control.  Florida has "won" by getting a preliminary injunction, but the CDC has sufficiently cowed the cruise lines that they all intend to "voluntarily" follow the CSO.  

Basically, CDC is saying that it won't broadly enforce the general mask order that applies to all transportation (i.e., all people at all places on a ship) as long as cruise lines voluntarily follow the CSO.  If a cruise line declines to follow the CSO, then the CDC will vigorously enforce the mask requirement at all times on the non-CSO-compliant ship.
Looks to me like the CDC remains in control.  Florida has "won" by getting a preliminary injunction, but the CDC has sufficiently cowed the cruise lines that they all intend to "voluntarily" follow the CSO.  

I don't think the action in the 11th Circuit is over.  CDC appealed Merryday's PI ruling.  All the 11th Circuit has ruled on to date was the CDC's motion to stay the PI during the appeal.  The appeal of the PI itself is ongoing.  CDC's brief is due September 1.  https://www.2150.com/files/cc/USCA11-21-12243/23_011111857305_BriefingNotice.pdf  Then Florida will respond and CDC will reply to that response.  Then an argument will be scheduled.  That's looking to me like mid- to late-October unless the parties and the court accelerate things considerably.  
While Merryday might issue an order clarifying the status of his PI now, I think that because his PI was to go into effect on July 18, he declined to stay it, and then the 11th Circuit (eventually) also declined to stay it, that means that Merryday's ruling is now in effect.  Practically, I don't think that matters, because the cruiselines aren't going to rush out and start ignoring CDC's guidance.  Very little should change.
As far as I can tell the only thing happening on August 12 in the district court is that CDC will file its answer to Florida's complaint: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flmd.388773/gov.uscourts.flmd.388773.103.0.pdf  They will deny everything that's relevant, and this will not be a very meaningful document.  I think we are months away from any final ruling in Merryday's court.  All that effectively matters now is (1) whether the CDC asks SCOTUS to impose a stay (seems unlikely) or (2) whether the 11th Circuit reverses Merryday's PI.  

I don't think the action in the 11th Circuit is over.  CDC appealed Merryday's PI ruling.  All the 11th Circuit has ruled on to date was the CDC's motion to stay the PI during the appeal.  The appeal of the PI itself is ongoing.  CDC's brief is due September 1.  https://www.2150.com/files/cc/USCA11-21-12243/23_011111857305_BriefingNotice.pdf  Then Florida will respond and CDC will reply to that response.  Then an argument will be scheduled.  That's looking to me like mid- to late-October unless the parties and the court accelerate things considerably.  
While Merryday might issue an order clarifying the status of his PI now, I think that because his PI was to go into effect on July 18, he declined to stay it, and then the 11th Circuit (eventually) also declined to stay it, that means that Merryday's ruling is now in effect.  Practically, I don't think that matters, because the cruiselines aren't going to rush out and start ignoring CDC's guidance.  Very little should change.
As far as I can tell the only thing happening on August 12 in the district court is that CDC will file its answer to Florida's complaint: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flmd.388773/gov.uscourts.flmd.388773.103.0.pdf  They will deny everything that's relevant, and this will not be a very meaningful document.  I think we are months away from any final ruling in Merryday's court.  All that effectively matters now is (1) whether the CDC asks SCOTUS to impose a stay (seems unlikely) or (2) whether the 11th Circuit reverses Merryday's PI.  

SCOTUS and Thomas were not involved. The 11th Circuit reversed itself “sua sponte” according to the order, which means the judges did it on their own. They must have realized they made a significant error of law in the stay order and wanted to fix it before SCOTUS overruled them. 
 
Here’s the SCOTUS docket with no rulings noted as of now: https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/21a5.html

SCOTUS and Thomas were not involved. The 11th Circuit reversed itself “sua sponte” according to the order, which means the judges did it on their own. They must have realized they made a significant error of law in the stay order and wanted to fix it before SCOTUS overruled them. 
 
Here’s the SCOTUS docket with no rulings noted as of now: https://www.supremecourt.gov/search.aspx?filename=/docket/docketfiles/html/public/21a5.html