LizzyBee23

This is how the CDC cruise ship task force interprets that graph...

 

This is not entirely true. The vaccines may in fact greatly reduce the chance of infection and transmission, however this has not yet been studied in depth, therefore the manufacturers are not permitted from making that claim. It is currently being studied in Phase IV trials (i.e. the real world).
It is most likely that vaccinated individuals' viral loads are greatly diminished if they get infected, making it less likely they will pass the virus onto others. The more people in this situation (i.e. vaccinated) the less of the virus gets passed around over time.
What we do know for certain, is that for those infected, having been vaccinated prevents severe Covid and death. I would say that's a pretty good point, regardless of 'getting it or giving it'.

We get the same cards... The unblinded participants who were in the initial vaccine arm can either pick them up at the 6 month follow up or earlier from the trial sites if needed. I think they'll have 50% of their enrollment at +6 months in April, so that might be about when you see an extension of the 3 month mark to 6 months (helps that we'll have the big general population data at 3 months around then, too).
This is all in reference to Pfizer, btw. Moderna is a week or so behind.
Edit: it just occured to me I have no idea what happens to the phase I or II participants, who like you said, have a good chance to receive a much different product. I'll ask tomorrow (when I get my second shot! *Happy dance*).

Good point.  I wonder if trial participants who did receive the actual vaccine will get documents to that effect.  I suppose some may have had varying dosage levels or different timing compared to the final go forward plan.   Things that make you go... hmmm.  

Let's keep it friendly.  

Not everyone. This would exclude trial participants who received their vaccines in October or earlier. I guess that's another fringe benefit of having initially been in the placebo arm.

But many more millions are months and months away from our "turn" to get the vaccine.

There are double standards everywhere. I’m not an anti masker but I don’t get the logic behind a great deal of it. Wearing a mask into a restaurant and then being permitted to remove it at the table seems a bit much. 

I'm thinking that Quantum is probably giving them a lot of experience and exposure to contact tracing systems even if the same system isn't used in North America.

This is so tone deaf when you look at what else has happened in the last calendar year. 

Thankfully, it's about 5 weeks too late for a Covid-20 to be discovered, unless one of the variants the like the South African mutation gets tagged as a separate disease!

Optimistically (meaning if deaths and hospitalizations continue to drop precipitously... Which I think has to happen for ships to sail anyway even with all of these restrictions), I think at the end of the CSO we would probably see the first round of relaxations. Probably not all the way back to business as usual, but maybe a meaningful point somewhere between.
Buuut, that expires 11/1. ?

Optimistically (meaning if deaths and hospitalizations continue to drop precipitously... Which I think has to happen for ships to sail anyway even with all of these restrictions), I think at the end of the CSO we would probably see the first round of relaxations. Probably not all the way back to business as usual, but maybe a meaningful point somewhere between.
Buuut, that expires 11/1. ?

Normally I'm indifferent to vaccinations, but I am going to get this one for my family as soon as possible. Not because I think it's right or wrong, but because I wanna get back to travel as soon as possible. As long as it doesn't kill us, I'm down for it, if it means I can cruise and travel again.

And be better suited for small Caribbean islands.

And be better suited for small Caribbean islands.

It ends when the numbers of hospitalizations and deaths drop.  New case counts are an interesting metric that indicate trends and provide insight but at the end of the day it ends when deaths are within acceptable levels like anything else we accept in our lives.
Collectively between already infected individuals and vaccinated individuals they'll look for the risk of the virus to societies in general to drop.   When risk is low enough, movie theaters open, sports stadiums open, cruising starts.  At that point a vaccine passport doesn't matter and isn't required.
 

Just a pedantic point here: it's actually also 100% effective at preventing hospitalization per the trial data. Severe disease is classified as low oxygen (below 95% saturation) with or without hospitalization (and a bunch of other criteria)... Pfizer also had a case of severe disease classified this way that also didn't require hospitalization. So even better news!
I think you and I have discussed this earlier, and we seem to be in agreement that if the bar is no nCoV-19 anywhere on a ship, then cruises will never sail again. If the bar is instead a much more reasonable metric based on cases of severe covid, then once we have decent, population level immunological resistance to disease via the vaccines and natural infection then we should be good to go.

I think the bar for the vaccines should be decreased hospitalization and death. People still can get flu after a flu vaccine but most will have mild symptoms and not require hospitalization.  That’s why I’m pretty excited about J&J vaccine. One shot = quicker availability for the public.  I’ve already received 2 shots of Moderna and would’ve signed up for J&J if I didn’t have earlier access 

Just a pedantic point here: it's actually also 100% effective at preventing hospitalization per the trial data. Severe disease is classified as low oxygen (below 95% saturation) with or without hospitalization (and a bunch of other criteria)... Pfizer also had a case of severe disease classified this way that also didn't require hospitalization. So even better news!
I think you and I have discussed this earlier, and we seem to be in agreement that if the bar is no nCoV-19 anywhere on a ship, then cruises will never sail again. If the bar is instead a much more reasonable metric based on cases of severe covid, then once we have decent, population level immunological resistance to disease via the vaccines and natural infection then we should be good to go.

Key thing I've come to learn and understand about the J&J vaccine over the weekend is that, while it's only 49%-72% effective (depending on the region you're looking at and how widespread variants are there) at blocking infection, it has been 100% effective at preventing death due to the disease and over 90% effective at preventing the disease from becoming serious enough to require hospitalization. And those latter stats include all the people in the trial who've had the various variants. That's on par with the other vaccines, and as others here have noted it's a game changer when combined with the fact that it's stable at standard refrigerator temperatures, only needs a single dose, and can be produced in much larger quantities.
@WAAAYTOOO, this vaccine still isn't what you'd call a "traditional" vaccine based on a dead or weakened version of the virus. It's delivered using an Adenovirus (i.e., cold virus) that has been genetically modified to carry the DNA for producing the spike protein, but also modified so it can't reproduce itself. Same end result -- "infected" cells at the injection site produce just the spike protein, which gets secreted from the cells into the blood, and an immune response is triggered.
This is a newer approach to vaccine design that's been researched for decades, although the first such vaccine was only approved last July (for Ebola) -- see this article from the New York Times that explains it all at a high level.

Just a pedantic point here: it's actually also 100% effective at preventing hospitalization per the trial data. Severe disease is classified as low oxygen (below 95% saturation) with or without hospitalization (and a bunch of other criteria)... Pfizer also had a case of severe disease classified this way that also didn't require hospitalization. So even better news!
I think you and I have discussed this earlier, and we seem to be in agreement that if the bar is no nCoV-19 anywhere on a ship, then cruises will never sail again. If the bar is instead a much more reasonable metric based on cases of severe covid, then once we have decent, population level immunological resistance to disease via the vaccines and natural infection then we should be good to go.

Just a pedantic point here: it's actually also 100% effective at preventing hospitalization per the trial data. Severe disease is classified as low oxygen (below 95% saturation) with or without hospitalization (and a bunch of other criteria)... Pfizer also had a case of severe disease classified this way that also didn't require hospitalization. So even better news!
I think you and I have discussed this earlier, and we seem to be in agreement that if the bar is no nCoV-19 anywhere on a ship, then cruises will never sail again. If the bar is instead a much more reasonable metric based on cases of severe covid, then once we have decent, population level immunological resistance to disease via the vaccines and natural infection then we should be good to go.

Just a pedantic point here: it's actually also 100% effective at preventing hospitalization per the trial data. Severe disease is classified as low oxygen (below 95% saturation) with or without hospitalization (and a bunch of other criteria)... Pfizer also had a case of severe disease classified this way that also didn't require hospitalization. So even better news!
I think you and I have discussed this earlier, and we seem to be in agreement that if the bar is no nCoV-19 anywhere on a ship, then cruises will never sail again. If the bar is instead a much more reasonable metric based on cases of severe covid, then once we have decent, population level immunological resistance to disease via the vaccines and natural infection then we should be good to go.

Just a pedantic point here: it's actually also 100% effective at preventing hospitalization per the trial data. Severe disease is classified as low oxygen (below 95% saturation) with or without hospitalization (and a bunch of other criteria)... Pfizer also had a case of severe disease classified this way that also didn't require hospitalization. So even better news!
I think you and I have discussed this earlier, and we seem to be in agreement that if the bar is no nCoV-19 anywhere on a ship, then cruises will never sail again. If the bar is instead a much more reasonable metric based on cases of severe covid, then once we have decent, population level immunological resistance to disease via the vaccines and natural infection then we should be good to go.