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Carnival to Further Accelerate Ship Exits as 18 Vessels to Leave!!


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Not RCI but wow Carnival Corporation to remove more ship. Now I wonder what ships will be sent to the scrapyard or sold to another cruise line not under the Carnival Corporation flag.

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/23505-carnival-to-further-accelerate-ship-exits-18-vessels-to-leave.html

 

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This is overdue for Carnival Corp. and something they probably should have done a few years ago.  This is part of the reason why RCCL can generate more revenue per guest using a smaller fleet.  In the heyday of cruising this sort of waste and inefficiency was easier to ignore.  Now it's costing them significantly.  Numbers don't lie... 12% of capacity but only 3% of operating income.  

RCI may need to take a harder look at their older ships but generally it has a newer fleet so not nearly as pronounced as Carnival Corp.  Still, the lesser efficient ships may need a closer look.  

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14 minutes ago, WAAAYTOOO said:

Interesting that they don't name the ships.  Why would you make a big announcement about ships leaving your fleet and then not tell us which ships they are !?!

Maybe they are hosting a fight club type event for their brands to duke it out.  Last ships still floating win.  The number one rule of fight club is...

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28 minutes ago, twangster said:

This is overdue for Carnival Corp. and something they probably should have done a few years ago.  This is part of the reason why RCCL can generate more revenue per guest using a smaller fleet.  In the heyday of cruising this sort of waste and inefficiency was easier to ignore.  Now it's costing them significantly.  Numbers don't lie... 12% of capacity but only 3% of operating income.  

RCI may need to take a harder look at their older ships but generally it has a newer fleet so not nearly as pronounced as Carnival Corp.  Still, the lesser efficient ships may need a closer look.  

 Keep in mind that Carnival has nine different cruise lines and 80 ships. 

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30 minutes ago, Oliver said:

 Keep in mind that Carnival has nine different cruise lines and 80 ships. 

I am and most of them are older ships.  A few lines have had newer ships added but the median age is older and smaller, which is not as efficient.  Failure to embrace mega ships earlier is costing them now.    

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58 minutes ago, twangster said:

I am and most of them are older ships.  A few lines have had newer ships added but the median age is older and smaller, which is not as efficient.  Failure to embrace mega ships earlier is costing them now.    

At some point, like owning a car, you can't keep throwing money into something older and less efficient. You need to bit the bullet and buy something new.

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Would be interesting to look at the labor implications of shuttering ships.  Not only crew, but maintenance overhead reductions.   Would expect the top performers could be retained and redeployed to remaining fleet.  Also, lines may maintain  pool of "back up" trained leaders/crew in the event of a medical incident that could be rotated in/out as required.   

Unlikely any of the lines will restart with a full fleet- so bringing crew back will occur incrementally - lots of wheels turning. 

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49 minutes ago, cruisellama said:

Would be interesting to look at the labor implications of shuttering ships.  Not only crew, but maintenance overhead reductions.   Would expect the top performers could be retained and redeployed to remaining fleet.  Also, lines may maintain  pool of "back up" trained leaders/crew in the event of a medical incident that could be rotated in/out as required.   

Unlikely any of the lines will restart with a full fleet- so bringing crew back will occur incrementally - lots of wheels turning. 

Like any business there is turn over.  People retire, life events happen, better offer somewhere else, etc.  Top performers will be moved to other ships.  Lots of tanker ships are being laid up so many crew from those also looking for work.  

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1 hour ago, twangster said:

Like any business there is turn over.  People retire, life events happen, better offer somewhere else, etc.  Top performers will be moved to other ships.  Lots of tanker ships are being laid up so many crew from those also looking for work.  

Its a fascinating personnel challenge when you think of recruiting, hiring, and meshing a large staff from all over the world.  When you see a new Oasis or Q class ship float out then think about how to assemble a competent crew.   Take some top and middle (up and coming) performers from throughout the fleet.  Throw in some newbies, and in a few months and get a functional crew.  Pretty cool.

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4 minutes ago, cruisellama said:

Its a fascinating personnel challenge when you think of recruiting, hiring, and meshing a large staff from all over the world.  When you see a new Oasis or Q class ship float out then think about how to assemble a competent crew.   Take some top and middle (up and coming) performers from throughout the fleet.  Throw in some newbies, and in a few months and get a functional crew.  Pretty cool.

It really is impressive.  Each ship has its own HR office as well.  The logistics of dealing with many different countries, crew certifications, VISAs and the regular HR stuff.  Royal goes out of their way to work with married couples on board, keeping them together as contracts move from ship to ship based on specialties and areas of expertise.  It's a very dynamic environment yet it seems so seamless to us.  

The float out crew for new builds is often comprised of crew who have done a float out before mixed with others.  I had some really insightful conversation with Symphony crew about this.  They use the term Float out crew differently than the float out that Wonder just did.  However some crew are on board well before they take possession, others fly in days before the cruise line takes possession.  

Few companies on land could deal with the constantly revolving resources from the Master to the most junior position.  Every position rotates in and out yet they provide a very consistent experience (for the most part).  They really have it down to a science.  

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