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Let's deviate, even for a moment, from the shut down of the cruise industry & talk of corona.
What would you like to see, in the design of the Icon of the Seas or anything that has to do with ship, ports of call, itineraries, number of days, or anything else one can think of.

Let's deviate, even for a moment, from the shut down of the cruise industry & talk of corona.
What would you like to see, in the design of the Icon of the Seas or anything that has to do with ship, ports of call, itineraries, number of days, or anything else one can think of.

Royal finding a permanent home on the Pacific Coast between Vancouver & San Diego, a flagged ship in Hawaii, & some overnight stay at key ports like San Fran, Coco Cay, Lahaina, Antigua, areas in the Mediterranean, to name a few.

Kinda conflicting reports on Pullmantur...one report states restructuring the business...another seem to suggest dismantling of the business. If I was a betting man...i bet Pullmantur is done, their ships are scrapped, RC cut ties & and save capital, and expect some ship under the Royal banner to be moved/sold and/or scrapped....and I would not be surprised Empress, Majesty,  and all of the Vision Class be eventually moved/sold and/or scrapped. Not just because of the age of those ships; but, it appear the capacity is going to cut initial & for some duration of time, which make these ships even more less efficient/green tech, and with limited balcony cabins(which seem to be a huge concern for the CDC), as well as HEPA Filtration systems, those ships provide little reason, in Royal quest to satisfy the CDC & return to cruising. It is what it is under today's climate.

I don't think anyone can make the statement underline, unequivocally. I have seen a number of times on this blog, people explain how Royal's system algorithms "automatically default" to the closest category, which may very well be the case here. The customer service rep, I suspect, was basing things off what's they see on their monitor & trying to make sense of it, as they deal with the customer...in this case twangster's agent. The Rep can only assist as far as what they can do themselves, base on what they see & have to refer issues to the next level of customer services when needed...they are just following the info in front of them...and couple that with how verse they are outside of that, is where some mishaps occur that need to be address. Again, not defending any shrewdness on Royal behalf...just stating other factors that could very easily be at play. 

??? This unclear & make very little sense as related to my post & appear to contradict itself....
 
Anyway...i found that in many cases, after reading many explanation and/or occurence here, Royal customer service does not appear, at times, to be well informed of the policy, and make numerous mistakes, that are essentially brought to their attention, proven to be unclear on the policy, causing an unfortunate mishap, again, that is brought to their attention. That's not to defend Royal or convey they don't exercise shrewd business practices...it seem like many of these circumstances, the customers services rep are not well versed in the policy until someone clearly bring it to their attention & things are eventually & exhaustedly resolved.
This unfortunate for twangster & others that may have faced the same situation; but, many times on this blog, twangster patiently explain to other here, the befuddlement of some of these reps. Now is a good time for Royal & frankly, all cruiselines to start refresher & updated classes on their policy & customer services.

A number of people with influence are waking to the thought that the numbers really does not justify continuing these lockdown policies; yet alone, the shutdown of the Global Economy. More & more are speaking against lockdown measures & no doubt, a growing number of regular everyday citizens have as well.

Would be awesome if Royal would take one of the potentially excess ships, flag it in the US and run a Hawaii route year round. NCL’s Pride of America itinerary has always intrigued me even with the extra costs. 

From what I gathered, cruiseline will be forced to sail a some percentage of capacity. Let's just say half capacity for the sake of argument. That alone, should help alleviate hotel capacity, in a given city. Not sure they can legally force a overnight stay & imagine they(cruiselines) will follow some of the airlines screening protocols to boarding.
A bigger concern i have, behind a potential force 14-day quarantine upon return...is the sailing capacity of the ship, one is to cruise. There has been numerous of claims that bookings have been up from Sept through early 2022. If a cruise is booked...i dunno, let's say Oasis otS, near 80% capacity & the mandate is to sail at half capacity...how will the line determine who sails on that particular date. Reservation are made. I imagine there will be just as much difficulty and trying to move selected passengers to other dates, given many dates booked are just as likely to be over the mandated capacity...if booking has truly been up significantly, for the time period previously mentioned.

From what I gathered, cruiseline will be forced to sail a some percentage of capacity. Let's just say half capacity for the sake of argument. That alone, should help alleviate hotel capacity, in a given city. Not sure they can legally force a overnight stay & imagine they(cruiselines) will follow some of the airlines screening protocols to boarding.
A bigger concern i have, behind a potential force 14-day quarantine upon return...is the sailing capacity of the ship, one is to cruise. There has been numerous of claims that bookings have been up from Sept through early 2022. If a cruise is booked...i dunno, let's say Oasis otS, near 80% capacity & the mandate is to sail at half capacity...how will the line determine who sails on that particular date. Reservation are made. I imagine there will be just as much difficulty and trying to move selected passengers to other dates, given many dates booked are just as likely to be over the mandated capacity...if booking has truly been up significantly, for the time period previously mentioned.

A number of people with influence are waking to the thought that the numbers really does not justify continuing these lockdown policies; yet alone, the shutdown of the Global Economy. More & more are speaking against lockdown measures & no doubt, a growing number of regular everyday citizens have as well.

A number of people with influence are waking to the thought that the numbers really does not justify continuing these lockdown policies; yet alone, the shutdown of the Global Economy. More & more are speaking against lockdown measures & no doubt, a growing number of regular everyday citizens have as well.

A number of people with influence are waking to the thought that the numbers really does not justify continuing these lockdown policies; yet alone, the shutdown of the Global Economy. More & more are speaking against lockdown measures & no doubt, a growing number of regular everyday citizens have as well.

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I believe "one" of a number of purposes for the muster is to provide & attend the  physically location, while in a state of calm, so passenger will be aware of the location & possible path to take, to reach that location, should a dire emergency present itself, in the mist of potential nervousness, panic, & chaos.
Just watching a video in a stateroom or other locations, not your design muster point, could be very counter productive, in a state of emergency, when people & young family memberss are scattered about, not quite sure where or how to maneuver to their designated muster location...again, in the mist of possible nervousness, panic, & chaos.

Anything more about that bullet point re: Anthem?

I believe "one" of a number of purposes for the muster is to provide & attend the  physically location, while in a state of calm, so passenger will be aware of the location & possible path to take, to reach that location, should a dire emergency present itself, in the mist of potential nervousness, panic, & chaos.
Just watching a video in a stateroom or other locations, not your design muster point, could be very counter productive, in a state of emergency, when people & young family memberss are scattered about, not quite sure where or how to maneuver to their designated muster location...again, in the mist of possible nervousness, panic, & chaos.

Well our FCC was just issued! Very excited, just received an email from John Ames from MEI. Now going to apply to Oasis cruise Sept. 6th and get this, have 1003 left over for 2021. Looking at Freedom of the seas 9 nights to Canada/NE. How are AFT balconies on Freedom? I mean AFT like the very AFT looking back at the wake made by the propellers. The balconies look a bit bigger but then there is that super structure on that class on the back of the ship. Well I'm excited now our 2020 is going to be paid off and I'll see it on our upcoming cruises section and still have 1000 bucks left over.  Thanks for any advice on Freedom cabins.

I am currently dealing with the same issue somewhat. I just wanted to let you know I DID reluctantly pay the change fee, what I didn’t know is they took it off my balance. I paid 200.00 change fee and that was taken off of my new reservation balance. so your not losing any money. Would be nice if they would tell you that.

??? I never said if they was negligent or not...speaking specifically on how manipulative the article is...especially showing a picture that's not collaborated...as being from the particular cruise/ship in question or date, time, authenticity of the pic...which no doubt used to convey a narrative. Of course, imo, there was negligence; and, those passengers & crew are going to have a case: but, the article itself is not saying anything that we are not already aware of for the last month, from when this event happened. Why rehash month old news if it was not to show a picture, to prejudice the reader, right off the bat; then rehash an old story to achieve what? Very manipulative, imo, and add to the total wrecking of an economy & more specifically, the industry. The article, posted a few days ago, was not needed & very unnecessary.  Cruise ships, by nature, is going to be problematic & an easy target....which is what this is.
 

No limit on cruise ship numbers apart from Milford Sound and Dusky Sound which limit the ships that can enter at a time (1 or 2) due to safety and environmental impact. Probably the biggest restriction would be the number of ships ports can accommodate at a time with some of the smaller ports only having facilities for 1 or 2 ships at a time.

Boniface V....I get your concern. This thing, unnecessarily imho, has cause a huge disruption in everybody lives...globally. Here's the numbers from just yesterday, please take note:
World Population: 7.8 Billion                                                           U.S Population:  331 Million
Total Global Infections: 2,373,850   .03%                                     Total U.S. Infections:  742,460    .23%
Global Deaths:  163,673   .002%                                                     U.S. Deaths:   39,651    .01%
The point I'm making....when society opens up, it will open under the stipulations that the numbers will be much more less than what you see above. Not to down play those that have perish because of this virus & families losing love ones...."But Those Numbers" does not justify shutting down the global economy, or to be more specific to this blog, the cruise industry. Even after things open, there will be some hiccups; and, I sure many + the media will say, "I told you so...open too soon". Yet again, the numbers will be far less when society, the world, opens It we may look back at if it was a bad chase of Global Chicken Pox, that a small segment of people caught, and made a big deal about it.  This is not the end of the world...…………………….I don't think. 

Boniface V....I get your concern. This thing, unnecessarily imho, has cause a huge disruption in everybody lives...globally. Here's the numbers from just yesterday, please take note:
World Population: 7.8 Billion                                                           U.S Population:  331 Million
Total Global Infections: 2,373,850   .03%                                     Total U.S. Infections:  742,460    .23%
Global Deaths:  163,673   .002%                                                     U.S. Deaths:   39,651    .01%
The point I'm making....when society opens up, it will open under the stipulations that the numbers will be much more less than what you see above. Not to down play those that have perish because of this virus & families losing love ones...."But Those Numbers" does not justify shutting down the global economy, or to be more specific to this blog, the cruise industry. Even after things open, there will be some hiccups; and, I sure many + the media will say, "I told you so...open too soon". Yet again, the numbers will be far less when society, the world, opens It we may look back at if it was a bad chase of Global Chicken Pox, that a small segment of people caught, and made a big deal about it.  This is not the end of the world...…………………….I don't think. 

Businesses are in the business to make money...not lose money or break even. I have no problem with companies making money & creating wealth...it the greed that is destroying the fabric & choking out young, small, startups ingenuity or consolidating against competition from smaller well established businesses, with a rich to modest history. Monopolies & high bonuses breed contempt to workers & smaller businesses....that's when it become all about the bottomline. I love Free Market & Capitalism...don't won't to control it; yet, we are living under somekind of hybrid economic philosophy these days....and it is very unfair to small businesses & workers.