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4 hours ago, KWofPerth said:

 

IF that eventually happens, what likelihood that Royal (and other cruise lines) stipulate that you MUST be vaccinated prior to boarding? 

That is a very good question. If recent surveys are accurate, that could potentially turn away or alienate 47% of their customers. I believe they will continue to follow government policy rather than dictate their own.

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19 hours ago, monctonguy said:

DT said the Covid talk would go away after Nov 4th.....he's been right...I haven't see much at all about Covid deaths and cases in the US since, even though its record setting and will continue to be I am sure with all the celebrations for Biden that the news wont criticize or call super spreader events....🙄

 

I watch the local news and the national news every night .. and they are still talking about covid.. it hasn't gone away after the election.

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18 hours ago, monctonguy said:

Not sure what channels you have down there..we only have MSNBC, FOX, NBC, CBS, CNN, HLN, ABC, CBC, CTV....and I haven't seen those diagrams on the screens on any of them that count the cases and deaths like they were before....but I can only speak of what I see on my tv, not yours.

Actually some of them are reporting COVID news like crossing the 10m mark.  It's a matter of reporting bigger news.  Before some of these news outlets were all CNN - Corona News Networks.  It's all they talked about 24 x 7.  Along comes the election and something else to talk about.  Then along comes a projected win and a battle over democracy itself.  The news that we might not live in a democracy at all, voting doesn't matter and courts appointed largely by one side will decide who is in power.  That's huge news without exaggerating the story for political purposes.  

At any rate the night of the acceptance speech FOX, CNN, ABC and NBC at least did start showing some of their COVID numbers again in between election related topics.  The others may have, I didn't tune to those channels.  However there remains very big news to compete with the pandemic so these media outlets are no longer 24 x 7 Corona News Networks.  

History is in the making.  A hundred years from now the political events that are unfolding will be in history books taught to children.  Few history books in America mention the 1918 flu pandemic and a hundred years from now American history books will largely ignore the worldwide pandemic of 2020.  This is why news outlets have shifted their focus and not dedicating 100% of all airtime to the virus.  

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1 hour ago, crisgold52 said:

You could. Just quarantine 14 days and work remotely. That's the biggest elephant in the room. There is freedom of movement even in the maritimes.

That's not freedom of movement..if you follow the way your supposed to quarantine, it is virtually impossible for almost anyone to do it properly....so yes, the quarantine severely impacts free movement and travel.

I am sure once the vaccine comes out though things will change..I can see  those who choose NOT to take it will be locked down to allow those of us who have the freedom to move and travel again and cruise!!!.....

 

 

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Learned some things from our bio-tech lab chemists today...

The Pfizer vaccine has shipping and storage requirements due to stability challenges. Apparently, shipping and storage requirements are...-80 deg C.

The vaccine deteriorates rapidly if not stored at or below that temperature. Not the end of the world obviously, but will certainly present some logistical hurdles.

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6 hours ago, Gears said:

The vaccine deteriorates rapidly if not stored at or below [-80 deg C]. Not the end of the world obviously, but will certainly present some logistical hurdles.

Interesting. I had read that this is a completely new type of vaccine, created by wrapping copies of the RNA that makes the virus' spike protein inside a "bubble" of tiny fat molecules. The whole thing is even tinier than the virus.

I guess this kind of man-made vaccine is even more fragile than a killed or weakened virus because it's such a simplistic construct. (purely from a biochemistry POV; to me this stuff is fast approaching the level of sorcery)

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16 hours ago, Ogilthorpe said:

That is a very good question. If recent surveys are accurate, that could potentially turn away or alienate 47% of their customers. I believe they will continue to follow government policy rather than dictate their own.

I suspect (well, speculate really) that my own government, for a period of time (several years, say), will require anyone entering the country to carry certification/proof of vaccination. The outcome would obviously be that anyone wanting to take a cruise would need to be vaccinated.

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Pfizer's coronavirus vaccine could cost Britain £588million and wind up being seven times more expensive per dose than the one being developed by Oxford University.

The jab, which the company this week claimed is 90 per cent effective and could be approved by regulators within weeks, is likely to cost at least £15 per dose and must be stored in specially designed ice packs that can cost approximately £5,000 each.

A vaccine being produced by Oxford, however, may cost as little as £2.23 per dose after the university and manufacturer AstraZeneca agreed not to profit from it.

Part of article from link below 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8937191/amp/Pfizers-coronavirus-jab-cost-seven-times-Oxfords.html

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12 hours ago, KWofPerth said:

I suspect (well, speculate really) that my own government, for a period of time (several years, say), will require anyone entering the country to carry certification/proof of vaccination. The outcome would obviously be that anyone wanting to take a cruise would need to be vaccinated.

I could see lots of governments around the world implementing this measure, in much the same way as, for example, yellow fever vaccinations, in order to potentially avoid imported cases.

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Another thing I have learned about Pfizer's announcement, is that the 90% efficacy quoted applies to prevention of catching the Covid-19 disease. It says nothing about being infected with the virus in the first place.

So although an individual could take the vaccine and be 90% confident of not getting sick if they caught the virus, they would not be immune from being infected with the virus.

More information needed at this stage.

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1 hour ago, KWofPerth said:

So although an individual could take the vaccine and be 90% confident of not getting sick if they caught the virus, they would not be immune from being infected with the virus.

Strictly speaking, this is how all vaccines work. None of them prevent infection. Instead, they make sure that the immune system is sufficiently primed that when you do get infected, your immune system reacts so fast that the virus doesn't have a chance to build up to critical mass and cause symptoms.

Think of it like police (immune system) watching the highways and local roads (blood stream) for speeding drivers (virus). The effect on the immune system from getting vaccinated is like hiring a bunch of extra police and setting them along the highways and local roads over a much greater area and higher density, so that speeders are much more likely to be caught and stopped before a bunch of other drivers decide "hell, I'm gonna speed!" (infected cells releasing more virus). Some will get by at first, but with all those extra forces out there, they'll be caught before too many other people are speeding and causing massive pile-ups.

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31 minutes ago, JLMoran said:

Strictly speaking, this is how all vaccines work. None of them prevent infection. Instead, they make sure that the immune system is sufficiently primed that when you do get infected, your immune system reacts so fast that the virus doesn't have a chance to build up to critical mass and cause symptoms.

Think of it like police (immune system) watching the highways and local roads (blood stream) for speeding drivers (virus). The effect on the immune system from getting vaccinated is like hiring a bunch of extra police and setting them along the highways and local roads over a much greater area and higher density, so that speeders are much more likely to be caught and stopped before a bunch of other drivers decide "hell, I'm gonna speed!" (infected cells releasing more virus). Some will get by at first, but with all those extra forces out there, they'll be caught before too many other people are speeding and causing massive pile-ups.

Aahh, thanks Joe!

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On 11/10/2020 at 12:54 PM, Gears said:

The Pfizer vaccine has shipping and storage requirements due to stability challenges. Apparently, shipping and storage requirements are...-80 deg C.

BioNTech and Pfizer are working on getting the temp down (or rather up). My understanding is that they chose a temp they knew would work, and are working higher storage temps in tandem with other things.

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On 11/10/2020 at 1:54 PM, Gears said:

Learned some things from our bio-tech lab chemists today...

The Pfizer vaccine has shipping and storage requirements due to stability challenges. Apparently, shipping and storage requirements are...-80 deg C.

The vaccine deteriorates rapidly if not stored at or below that temperature. Not the end of the world obviously, but will certainly present some logistical hurdles.

Contract with Schwann's to transport....Problem Solved! 😀  The Ice Cream on those trucks is at least -80 C.

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