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30 minutes ago, DunkelBierJay said:

With that population and the hotels, they would have to have a viable food and supply distribution system on the island rather than relying on shipping...just a guess.

I agree we're both guessing as I haven't spent any time on the island investigating such things. 

However, I do know they don't have enough land, or farms, to be self sufficient on the island.  Therefore, just like other islands, such as Hawaii, many things have to come in by ship or barge.  That requires a freight dock somewhere. Is it big enough for this purpose? IDK.  It's just a thought of how they might be planning to make all this work.

That said, a combo freight dock/embarkation port is OK for a while, but not an ideal arrangement.  If this is going to be a permanent thing, a new terminal will be required.

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Intriguing idea posed by Tony, the La Lido Loca guy...apparently, the mayor of Cozumel made a proposal to MSC to make the island an embarkation port. If Royal were to find a way to agree to participat

I think we found the more likely candidate to bypass the CDC the next time a pandemic comes to America. https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2021/03/12/royal-caribbean-close-purchasing-grand-lucaya

This is the most succinct description of the problem that I have with the CDC too. And, I don't think that the cruise industry is big enough outside of FL and maybe AK for those who love cruising to h

This was my opinion in the thread about the Grandeur being home ported in Barbados. 

"If by chance they do start Caribbean operations(embarkation) in another port other than San Juan, my grin will be from cheek to cheek!😜  🤣"

 

With all the negative things or shall I say challenges people have indicated that the cruise line may face,  let's give them some positive feedback so they might even consider it.  Let them be the ones to figure it out (with some positive suggestions from us)  LOL

 

The Mayor was BRILLIANT with her proposal.  

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At the end of the day when will the CDC lift the COVID test requirement to fly international?  

They'll lift the international COVID test requirement probably close to the time they let ships sail.  In the interim it will cost significant time, energy and money to plan and implement new home ports anywhere.  All that would be lost if the CDC squashes it with a new mandate aimed at making sure those ships don't sail with Americans.  Plus that would just poke the bear and make it more angry leading to prolonged CDC ship restrictions at home.   If anyone tries to work around the CDC cruise ship orders the CDC will find ways to stop it.  

If they did move home ports and sold cruises into 2022 and beyond what happens when the CDC ban at home is lifted?  Few will want to sail from those new home ports leaving all that investment to get it going lost.  People will cancel in masses and book cruises from home, maybe on another cruise line if they have to because Royal will have ships deployed elsewhere.

Plus it's one thing for a guest to do this once but to be successful they need to fill ships week after week, month after month.  Can they really fill ships embarking at a foreign Caribbean port on an ongoing basis?  They couldn't in San Juan often leading to bargain cruise rates pre-pandemic.  If it wasn't for the high cost of airfare to San Juan I would have cruised from there more often given the cheaper cruise fares.  Hmmm, that sounds like the issue Barbados has - high airfare costs.

Love creative thinking but this is fraught with business risk.

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7 hours ago, twangster said:

At the end of the day when will the CDC lift the COVID test requirement to fly international?  

They'll lift the international COVID test requirement probably close to the time they let ships sail.  In the interim it will cost significant time, energy and money to plan and implement new home ports anywhere.  All that would be lost if the CDC squashes it with a new mandate aimed at making sure those ships don't sail with Americans.  Plus that would just poke the bear and make it more angry leading to prolonged CDC ship restrictions at home.   If anyone tries to work around the CDC cruise ship orders the CDC will find ways to stop it.  

If they did move home ports and sold cruises into 2022 and beyond what happens when the CDC ban at home is lifted?  Few will want to sail from those new home ports leaving all that investment to get it going lost.  People will cancel in masses and book cruises from home, maybe on another cruise line if they have to because Royal will have ships deployed elsewhere.

Plus it's one thing for a guest to do this once but to be successful they need to fill ships week after week, month after month.  Can they really fill ships embarking at a foreign Caribbean port on an ongoing basis?  They couldn't in San Juan often leading to bargain cruise rates pre-pandemic.  If it wasn't for the high cost of airfare to San Juan I would have cruised from there more often given the cheaper cruise fares.  Hmmm, that sound like the issue Barbados has - high airfare costs.

Love creative thinking but this is fraught with business risk.

You make good points about the risk but at the same time if the CDC continues to demonstrate that they have no intention of allowing cruising to resume anytime soon you have to start to balance that risk as well.

I think after almost a full year with no sign of anything easing they have to be considering the idea of starting at least a ship or two down "another" path than just waiting on the CDC.

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I think most cruise lines are evaluating what RCL has implemented in Singapore. Even though it is one ship sailing to nowhere, at least, it is a revenue stream coming in and also a way to fine tune all the protocols they have to put in place.

My guess is that RCL will try one or two ships in the caribbean in the coming months. Better a small revenue than no revenue at all. In the meantime, the CDC will not be really angered since it would be a small operation. The bear can remain in hibernation ...

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2 hours ago, haf said:

I think most cruise lines are evaluating what RCL has implemented in Singapore. Even though it is one ship sailing to nowhere, at least, it is a revenue stream coming in and also a way to fine tune all the protocols they have to put in place.

My guess is that RCL will try one or two ships in the caribbean in the coming months. Better a small revenue than no revenue at all. In the meantime, the CDC will not be really angered since it would be a small operation. The bear can remain in hibernation ...

I don’t think this is realistic. They don’t have the money to try and “re invent the wheel” right now. It would be prohibitively expensive to just “try” a couple ships embarking in the Caribbean and the revenues would not offset the expense. 

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2 hours ago, TXcruzer said:

I don’t think this is realistic. They don’t have the money to try and “re invent the wheel” right now. It would be prohibitively expensive to just “try” a couple ships embarking in the Caribbean and the revenues would not offset the expense. 

Well, they will at least try something before going under. But, sure it is not easy to start in the caribbean and then be told it is a no-no. Cruise lines suffer and we suffer also.

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On 2/8/2021 at 8:10 AM, twangster said:

While the CDC isn't a very well run organization they are quick to protect their silo of power.  Any attempt to circumvent their intention will not go unnoticed.  They'll find a way to curtail any significant effort aimed to to bypass them for US citizens.  The current testing requirement for international air travel is nearly enough to accomplish that but if they really wanted to they could make it even more difficult or unappealing for most Americans to visit Mexico.  In fact if they determine that Mexico represents a risk to the US for current travelers they could take a number of steps tomorrow to make such trips unappealing.

Plus the extra cost of flights and hotels alone will force many to decline.  Barbados will face the same hurdle.  The cost of flights for my December sailing is looking to exceed the cost of the cruise.  If that doesn't change I'll be quick to exercise my refundable deposit.  I'd rather take two cruises from Florida once it reopens over one cruise and an expensive flight.   Will a family of four be willing to add several thousand to the cruise cost for airfare?

Have boat shuttles from US ports to the Bahamas and then board the cruise there.  Most of the lines have their own islands anyhow.  This is my personal idea.  That way people do not have to fly out of the country.  And it would be just a short trip over anyhow.  Coming back though would be the challenge.  The CDC IMO is doing everything they can to destroy the cruise industry, of which they know nothing about, obviously.

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I think lines should just pick a practical (provisioning, hotels, and air accessibility) non-US embarkation  port, and operate "A" ship that makes sense for that port.  Just get  1 ships or 2 on a regular schedule to keep the machinery and crews running. Maybe over a 6 month period.   Mirror what's going on with Quantum.  Lean forward 

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52 minutes ago, SandyW said:

Have boat shuttles from US ports to the Bahamas and then board the cruise there.  Most of the lines have their own islands anyhow.  This is my personal idea.  That way people do not have to fly out of the country.  And it would be just a short trip over anyhow.  Coming back though would be the challenge.  The CDC IMO is doing everything they can to destroy the cruise industry, of which they know nothing about, obviously.

So the CDC won’t allow a cruise ship to load passengers, but they will allow boat “shuttles”?? Come on now 

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12 hours ago, TXcruzer said:

So the CDC won’t allow a cruise ship to load passengers, but they will allow boat “shuttles”?? Come on now 

Interestingly if the shuttles didnt have more than 100 passengers they probably wouldnt be subject to CDC approval ... highlighthing further the abursdity of the whole situation.

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I don't think the CDC is targeting the cruise industry.  Don't get me wrong, I don't like what they are doing.  Look at the airlines pushing back now that they are in the CDC crosshairs.  

The problem I have with the powers granted to the CDC is the lack of a check of that power.  That opens the door for this agency to run away out of control with an unclear branch to reign them in.  That's what I think is occuring with the CDC.  They've gotten away with with cruise lines, they may have bitten off more than they can chew with domestic airlines concepts they are suggesting.  If they do get their way with the airlines, the cruise lines face a very uncertain future.

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14 hours ago, twangster said:

I don't think the CDC is targeting the cruise industry.  Don't get me wrong, I don't like what they are doing.  Look at the airlines pushing back now that they are in the CDC crosshairs.  

The problem I have with the powers granted to the CDC is the lack of a check of that power.  That opens the door for this agency to run away out of control with an unclear branch to reign them in.  That's what I think is occuring with the CDC.  They've gotten away with with cruise lines, they may have bitten off more than they can chew with domestic airlines concepts they are suggesting.  If they do get their way with the airlines, the cruise lines face a very uncertain future.

good points.  I also think the domestic airlines have more political clout than the cruise lines.  Note i have heard the airlines are complaining big time about the international covid test requirement and pointing out already their loss of revenue and need for more bailout.

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On 2/14/2021 at 8:33 PM, twangster said:

 The problem I have with the powers granted to the CDC is the lack of a check of that power. 

This is the most succinct description of the problem that I have with the CDC too. And, I don't think that the cruise industry is big enough outside of FL and maybe AK for those who love cruising to have any affect on their elected reps with letter writing, calls, etc. The current administration will let them do whatever they want.

My wish is for their role to be moved to the Coast Guard because they have hands on knowledge of dealing with the environment on a ship and seem to be less susceptible to PR pressure. Medical dictators need to be put in their place as medical advisors.

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9 hours ago, Allen2 said:

If the airlines don't fly many passengers, then many cruise passengers cannot reach their ports - no matter what the cruise lines are able to accomplish.

Unless the flying public is readily willing and able to fly but the CDC is still not allowing cruise ships to sail from US ports "out of an abundance of caution".

My fear is the the CDC will retain the cruise ship shutdown longer than necessary just to be safe.

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1 hour ago, twangster said:

Unless the flying public is readily willing and able to fly but the CDC is still not allowing cruise ships to sail from US ports "out of an abundance of caution".

My fear is the the CDC will retain the cruise ship shutdown longer than necessary just to be safe.

I would say its already a reality not a fear.

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On 2/8/2021 at 9:40 AM, teddy said:

Since we cruise on the cheap, our flights from Portland can be as much as or more than our cruise fare as well.  Flights out of Boston are cheaper, but getting there puts the total cost very close to flights out of Portland, and we live about 10 miles from the Portland Jetport.  It's nice to land and be able to get home quickly.

Makes it easy to justify a longer cruise or a back to back....cause you know....we're already down there.

Teddy, we have this same problem (we're in Buxton). We found that going to Portsmouth and taking the C&J to Logan is actually way cheaper than normal for getting there, parking, etc. and still allows us to save considerably on the flights. I totally understand this doesn't include the cost of time, having to drive away from home, and the hassle of not being right in Portland after the flight, but it's worth looking at. 

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11 hours ago, Allen2 said:

If the airlines don't fly many passengers, then many cruise passengers cannot reach their ports - no matter what the cruise lines are able to accomplish.

FWIW, Royal Caribbean has said the first sailings will begin in "drive markets", which means ships that sail from places where a lot of guests drive to the ship.

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2 hours ago, nhilding10 said:

Teddy, we have this same problem (we're in Buxton). We found that going to Portsmouth and taking the C&J to Logan is actually way cheaper than normal for getting there, parking, etc. and still allows us to save considerably on the flights. I totally understand this doesn't include the cost of time, having to drive away from home, and the hassle of not being right in Portland after the flight, but it's worth looking at. 

This is good to know.  Thank you very much!!  Neither my wife nor I knew about C&J.

Portsmouth is an easy drive.  We're in Windham. very close to 302.

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21 hours ago, teddy said:

This is good to know.  Thank you very much!!  Neither my wife nor I knew about C&J.

Portsmouth is an easy drive.  We're in Windham. very close to 302.

Happy to help! Like I said, it's not as "quick and easy" as PWM, so I understand that point, but the C&J is $24 per person, round trip from Portsmouth to Logan, runs basically 24/7 and has very convenient timing, and has free parking. Works out way cheaper than driving all the way to Logan and paying for the parking their alone, and you get the savings of the flights. Definitely worth a look, if you don't mind the added time and distance of Logan over PWM from home. 

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On 2/13/2021 at 8:59 PM, TXcruzer said:

So the CDC won’t allow a cruise ship to load passengers, but they will allow boat “shuttles”?? Come on now 

It's an idea.  Just like the idea that I had of all the cruise lines pulling out of US ports and going to other ports.  Example:  Grandeur now going to use Barbados.

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