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Schedule showed berth 92 Port of Los Angeles. 

9 hours ago, WesKinetic said:

This is correct. It's extremely complicated, but the short version is that foreign-flagged cruise ships fall under federal jurisdiction. So the state regulations wouldn't apply. 

 

Yes and NO. Ports are within state boundaries and they extend beyond land. 

6 hours ago, twangster said:

Hmmm.  Searching business records I don't see that Royal Caribbean International is registered as a business in Florida.  

The corporate entity (RCG) is registered but they don't offer cruises.  Several instances of former related companies are showing inactive.  Celebrity Cruises Inc with a place of business in Miami is listed.

However in the shipping world its well known that each ship is a shell company on its own.  I don't see any ship "company" registered with the state.  This makes sense.  Could you imagine the paperwork involved with registering every ship in every jurisdiction they visited?

Any experts in Admiralty law?  Given the complex corporate structure of shipping companies, particularly with respect to foreign flagged ships, are they considered a Florida business entity?  

They don't pay Florida business taxation like an otherwise normal Florida business does.  

So does this bill impact cruise ship operations?

 

Very complex situation. The ports in Florida are within the state boundaries.

Beyond belief 10 years in the making Im booked on a RCI sailing out of LA! 

8 hours ago, Matt said:

For those waiting to book, is your plan to book:

a). 1 cruise

b). 2 or 3 cruises

c). Multiple sailings

d). Live onboard with @mpoole3

I understand A, B, and C but when I google choice D nothing comes up.

They are now on https://www.royalcaribbean.com/cruises/?country=USA&departureCode_LAX=true

8 hours ago, twangster said:

No new info but there is verbiage in the CARB regulations that allows ships to port without shore power on limited basis and more verbiage surrounding "Vessel Incidents Events" in reference to not using shore power and VIEs have an angle that includes events as a percentage of events from the previous year.  

Then I found a reference to a proposed rule in 2019 that would waive the requirement until 2023 for a ship that had never visited CA in the past but it's not clear if that proposed rule was adopted in full or in part.

Suffice it to say there are a lot of nuances to CARB (and shore power) beyond the simplified "rules" that get tossed around on internet forums.   

It's not clear to me they need to dry dock before reaching CA and there may have been motivation in the nuances of CARB to arrive late in 2021 and start the 2022 season before dry docking.  

I suspect just before releasing Navigator a few weeks ago they were able to get some clarity to the rules and based on that new wisdom they were able to optimize the deployment to take advantage of some 2021 holiday cruises that always have a premium price. 

I'm little surprised at the proposed rule, i'll have to look into that. Nuances? I think you are too kind in choice of words.  I know the port and city have approved rebates programs to entice cruise lines back. 

56 minutes ago, johnt83 said:

Luckily for me the flight to LA is only 2 hours (from Seattle)... much better than flying across country but we have to do that for other ships such as Symphony and Oasis that we have booked... this likely won't be the only time we do Navigator out of LA... I am sort of tempted to do the b2b for the first time.... 3-night followed by 4-night...followed by Disneyland... not sure if wife will be OK with that but yeah 4 days is so short! I am likely not getting off at any of the ports...

I would recommend looking into a direct to Long Beach. 

4 hours ago, twangster said:

sea-distances.org suggests the times below based on an average speed of 15 knots.  If she leaves Miami on Oct. 15:

Way 1: Oct. 26 
Way 2: Nov. 19 
Way 3: Nov. 19 

Way #1

Distance	4151 nautical miles VIA Panama Canal
Vessel speed	15 knots
Time	11 days 13 hours

Way #2

Distance	12536 nautical miles VIA Strait of Magellan
Vessel speed	15 knots
Time	34 days 20 hours

Way #3

Distance	12704 nautical miles VIA Cape Horn
Vessel speed	15 knots
Time	35 days 07 hours

 

Wanna place a bet?

Before POLA took down their schedule they where showing a late October arrival NOS. Any new info on dry dock when and where?

Exciting times for those who live on the West Coast!

Galveston says it's time to sail.

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24708-galveston-port-director-to-cdc-allow-phased-cruising-now.html

1 hour ago, twangster said:

The June 10 "inaugural" LA cruise date is one I've heard before.  

If you do the math with April 25 being the last turn around day in Miami it yields 46 nights.  That is the exact length of time Mariner took to go around Cape Horn in 2009.  

I wonder if they weren't ready to announce South America cruises, or maybe they plan to cut Navigator's  height and get her through the canal so they needed to delay while they figure that out and possibly add some more LA cruises.  

The other thing that comes to mind is possibly telling the deployment team to drop everything and find another non-US port to launch a ship from pronto.

You have my vote on altering then stacks and a PC transit. I think the delay on open bookings here is probably a ripple effect on the first big announcement decisions, but anything possible.

Just got off the phone with D+ desk, First sailing out of LA is June 10th 2022 3 nights day 1 LA day 2 sea day  day 3 Ensenada no pricing was available. Asked when they would go sale no timeframe was given just said a announcement would go out once they are open.

6 hours ago, SpeedNoodles said:

I work tonight from 6pm-6am 

I know how that feels. 

Navigator have a dry dock 2/2022? no sailings listed.

8 hours ago, twangster said:

I think we just send Navigator through.  Block traffic and let her rip.  If the bridge falls, oh well.  

Q class was built with the expansion of the canal in mind. Voyager class was built with never leaving the Caribbean. 

36 minutes ago, twangster said:

Carnival brands all sail mostly older ships on the west coast.  Have they been busy retrofitting old ships or are they abdonning the west coast?

If Carnival has been quietly updating their ships I suspect too then that Royal has been. This requirement isn't unique to California and it's been in the works for a while now.   

At a minimum they could have pre-wired for the isolation transformers that will likely be required during prior dry docks and new ship builds even if they didn't install every component required.

I was only referring to Celebrity. If my memory serves me correctly 2011 or 2012 the CARB rule went into affect, So Carnival and its brands retrofitted their older California based ships a long time ago.  Most if not all home ports will have AMP capabilities and the next step after that will be for the port of calls to have it.

On 3/8/2021 at 4:41 AM, smokeybandit said:

November and December both show a 7-night cruises based on that port schedule

Good catch, I just looked at the first couple of sailing. Mon and Fri departures reminded me of the Monarch of the seas 3/4 night sailing out of LA.

18 hours ago, cameron7763 said:

Why exactly can't the Navigator use the Panama Canal?

Voyager class air draft is reported around 210ft, which comes from a Florida port study. Bridge of America clearance is reported around 201ft. 

On 3/9/2021 at 3:40 AM, twangster said:

I imagine (but don't know) that newer ships were built with shore power capability to meet CA requirements as well as similar requirements in parts of Europe.   Older ships will need to be modified at a significant cost to accept shore power.   

The only new build that I know of (Celebrity press release) Apex , Was built with AMP capability.

Celebrity Edge is showing up on a couple port Schedules in 2022 on the West Coast of the U.S. could be just a place holder for another ship.

5 hours ago, smokeybandit said:

Nice find. Nothing appearing on the Cabo or Puerto Vallarta logs yet.

3/4 night would suggest Catalina Island, Ensenada, and possibly San Diego based on past itineraries. (Monarch of The Seas)

On 3/5/2021 at 8:15 PM, Jax said:

POSTED ON MICHAEL BAYLEY’s FACEBOOK PAGE 1 HOUR AGO
Today, U.S Senators Lisa Murkowski and Dan Sullivan introduced the Alaska Tourism Recovery Act. This bill would allow cruise ships to sail to Alaska without requiring that they stop in Canada. If passed, this would represent a step in the right direction for the Alaskan communities that depend on the tourism industry. If you support the bill, please reach out to your representatives to make your voice heard! 

To read the bill, click here: 

https://www.murkowski.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/03.04.21 PVSA Legislation.pdf

Ok, I see a potentail problem. Homeland Security applies the PVSA, the USGC (under the Department of Defense) applies the PVSA and the Jones Act. What the bill is applying if became law. It would be unlawful for Homeland Security to impose fines. (So are the cruise lines still violating the Act?) Well what if the USGS fined the cruise lines? According to the act only the Secretary of Defense can grant a waiver in a war time setting. Could and probably will be challenged in federal court.

In the drop down menu you want to select November 2021, 

https://www.portsamerica.com/operations/cruise-los-angeles-terminal-schedule

On 2/17/2020 at 9:38 AM, twangster said:

Royal tech strikes again.  Knew it was too good to be true.

Quantum is on her way back to Singapore right now, slowly.

Keeping my fingers crossed  April 2020

https://www.catalinachamber.com/community-information/catalina-cruise-ship-schedule/

Well you can add the Royal Princess to that list 3/7 sailing cancelled. 

15 hours ago, Deerman6040 said:

Technically,  there's no need for a passport on a closed loop cruise originating in the U.S.A...(same embarking and debarking port)

U.S. does not require a passport for a closed loop sailing but the foreign country you may be visiting on the sailing may require it. In that case you will need it or you could be denied boarding. Best advice is to get one.