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I'm proud to say I emailed my local representatives pleading for help restart the cruise industry!! Thanks @Mattfor making this easy for all of us! This is something I wouldn't normally do, but it's so easy to take 5-10 minutes and write a personal message along with the pre-filled forms that simplify the process. Just ready Matt's blogs for an easy link. If you are reading this and haven't done it yet please do! Thanks

This points topic really stings ... C+A lost 14-15 years worth f my points. In 2018  I expected my emerald pin on a majesty  trip.  I had reached that plateau in June 2015 then didn't sail the next two years (Busy and was in  a friendly divorce) . Ok maybe they just missed it. 2019 on Indy it surely would be there. Nope. Got home and looked...  2003- 2018  disappeared  except that Majesty trip. I was knocked back to gold and like 28 points!!!!  (I should be 63 or 64!) I emailed and never heard a word. I called and didn't hear back. Called again  and nasty rep told me I needed receipts... I explained I don't save records that long. She was nasty again and hung up.  Very much not like the usual RCL people I deal with on the phone. I am bringing  what sea passes I do have, ship board photos, casino chips from the different trips and plan to sit down with a real person at the loyalty desk when I get back aboard Symphony ...  Despite all that I'm still loyal to royal... 

I was surprised in the past to find that our voices do get heard rather easily by our elected officials.  I messaged a senator on a subject years back and he directly answered me  a few days after the canned automated response  came back. I developed a rapport with a congressman under similar circumstances. I'm nobody special. Justa constituent.  I just sent a detailed message to Marco Rubio... You can to at... https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contact

I have just used the CLIA site to email my Congressman and Representatives.  Very easy to use.

Unless it pertains DIRECTLY to cruising.  Which, in this case, it does.

Carnival CEO confirms CDC didn't actually say or update anything
https://www.facebook.com/Carnival/posts/10158855077764584

This is from CLIA, and I think everyone here supports cruising restarting.
There is a difference between political discussion (left vs right) and what this is about.

I was surprised in the past to find that our voices do get heard rather easily by our elected officials.  I messaged a senator on a subject years back and he directly answered me  a few days after the canned automated response  came back. I developed a rapport with a congressman under similar circumstances. I'm nobody special. Justa constituent.  I just sent a detailed message to Marco Rubio... You can to at... https://www.rubio.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/contact

My read on what transpired>>>>  Mind you I have seen the CLIA statement but not an official CDC rep  for the response.  Just what was reported. The statement was meant to say the Nov date is STILL in effect and no decisions regarding  the recent request by Miami Dade and todays CLIA have been made YET and that the order AT THIS TIME still stands... I see CNN, CNBC and NYT involved with the reporting and if you adhere to what they sell as "press" I have an oceanfront condo in Kansas you need to buy...
 

I have yet to see any proof of this statement either.
Moreover, even if it is true, it just sounds like someone reiterating the CSO is in effect until Nov 1. They didn't say it wouldn't be rescinded or has zero chance of changing.  The alleged quote is kind of like when Royal Caribbean tweets to someone cruises will start in June.

I remain troubled regarding the implications of this thread's title and several of the posts within it affirming that a renewed stand against the restart of cruising from US ports by the CDC was precipitated by CLIA's press release yesterday. Other than reports yesterday on CNN and CNBC that a CDC spokesperson responded to the CLIA press release by saying, as if this was new and in the present tense, cruising won't resume from the US until November 1st (paraphrased), a CDC spokesperson isn't identified. I conclude that CNN/CNBC probably added the report they claim was a from a CDC spokesperson erroneously.
It's already been pointed out the November 1st date applies to the original issuance of the CSO. Nothing new. What is new is that Fain and CLIA are making their case against the arbitrariness of the CSO more strongly than before. That's the good news but we do not know how the CDC is going to respond to those overtures. Walaneski did make a statement yesterday and the link below is to it. The video is included in an AP story that is very positive with regard to the state of the global pandemic. Walenski acknowledges that but continues to caveat the positive news with a cloak of pessimistic pronouncements. This isn't anything new. Both Fauci and Walneski have continually wrapped good news with more bad news. There's no question in my mind that the CDC still beleives the CSO shouldn't be updated or changed in any substantial way for a while. I think the cruise lines know this and are taking the steps we are seeing with an expansion of operations from foreign ports accordingly. I think there were a few people here who predicted that would happen if the CDC continued to stone wall cruise lines.
https://www.9news.com/amp/article/news/health/coronavirus/us-improving-covid-19-vaccinations-rise-deaths-fall/507-c9ace044-8434-4bcb-92b3-cea03c03ebb9

My read on what transpired>>>>  Mind you I have seen the CLIA statement but not an official CDC rep  for the response.  Just what was reported. The statement was meant to say the Nov date is STILL in effect and no decisions regarding  the recent request by Miami Dade and todays CLIA have been made YET and that the order AT THIS TIME still stands... I see CNN, CNBC and NYT involved with the reporting and if you adhere to what they sell as "press" I have an oceanfront condo in Kansas you need to buy...
 

My read on what transpired>>>>  Mind you I have seen the CLIA statement but not an official CDC rep  for the response.  Just what was reported. The statement was meant to say the Nov date is STILL in effect and no decisions regarding  the recent request by Miami Dade and todays CLIA have been made YET and that the order AT THIS TIME still stands... I see CNN, CNBC and NYT involved with the reporting and if you adhere to what they sell as "press" I have an oceanfront condo in Kansas you need to buy...
 

My read on what transpired>>>>  Mind you I have seen the CLIA statement but not an official CDC rep  for the response.  Just what was reported. The statement was meant to say the Nov date is STILL in effect and no decisions regarding  the recent request by Miami Dade and todays CLIA have been made YET and that the order AT THIS TIME still stands... I see CNN, CNBC and NYT involved with the reporting and if you adhere to what they sell as "press" I have an oceanfront condo in Kansas you need to buy...
 

Do we have a link to this "spokesperson's" actual quote allegedly in response to the public release of the CLIA position (link to that is above) saying "defiantly the CDC's CSO remains in effect until November 1st?" 
I'm not about to believe CNN or CNBC on this one. There was an article in the NYT's on line this morning writing about a negative COVID bias in news reporting. A study was undertaken to compare positive to negative press reporting among MSM (CNN was one of them). 87% of the reporting was negative. Meanwhile, scientific reports and journals were generally balanced or positive.
There is no story if the CDC doesn't respond (I suspect they may not have). There's a juicy story if they responded like CNN is reporting they allegedly did. 

In my don't believe a thing the MSM says mode, the CLIA announcement is quoted and while I can't find a link to the CLIA announcement's text, the verbiage is appearing at the usual places like Cruise News. I've not seen anything resembling a quote from Walenski or someone close to her in the organization identifying whether the CDC actually responded directly CLIA today with a date certain of November, 2021.   I don't think Fauci, from Allergies and Infectious Disease, has said anything either. He is the face of US infection control. I'd be looking to him to say something that won't be specific - he rarely is - but will try to present a happy, encouraging face.  
I do think it's pretty clear that the temperature in the room has risen - RCI starts sailing from ports easily reachable from the US and outside the CDC/US Treasury's jurisdiction, Fain is pretty clear that he's done waiting for the "technicals" to be provided to his company that were supposed to be provided months ago according to the CSO. RCI and others are operating cruise ships in parts of Europe and Asia. Launch the boats!..... and more are coming.
Most of us have been calling for a hard stand by cruise industry big-wigs and CLIA. We'll we have it. I'm thinking we need to see how the US government responds over the next week or so. The CDC may be moved to the back of the room and assigned an advisory role. CDC claims they really aren't in charge of deciding when the cruise industry sails again. Statements like that are usually a lead in to a punt to someone else higher up in the chain of command. Stuff like this is usually some kind of face saving effort on the part of government officials to circle the wagons and not let the CDC appear to have fumbled the ball on this. Too bad it is obvious they have and they have egg all over their faces. Something I think Fain and his colleagues were trying to prevent. Too bad, times up.
Bottom line, I'm not buying restarts until after November 1st.

Here's my question.... did CDC's "statement" today simply reitterate the current company line right now? Similar to how Royal Caribbean says cruises will restart in June....until the next round of cancellations.
Meaning, they are giving the Nov 1 date, but it could be rescinded earlier?

Slow news days so they needed a headline with the word "cruise" in it.  
They could literally state this every day "The CDC today still has not changed their website.  The website still says Nov.1 "  

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The cdc has never felt this much power in its existence. I hope they come to their senses, but I think it has gone to their heads. ?

Not being insensitive. I have lost to the virus itself. I lost one to complications from the intubation as well. I also knew many that it was barely as much as a cold. Then,   I have also lost to the vaccine. A healthy doctor friend passing away being one and my Fiance's brother being paralyzed for a few days made it clear that its not a walk in the park either. An "evil" so to speak.  It was forced upon us by a man made problem. Granted its a potential solution to a bad problem but it would be a lot nicer if it was never needed and the remote possibility of bad side effects wasn't there. 
 

Tentatively planning a group continuing education cruise for work in July 2022. When we've done this in the past, we've gone out of Ft. Lauderdale, so that was the first place I looked. But when I search available cruises out of FLL, it shows up with no cruises from May through October, 2022. Just curious if this is a website glitch or if there is actually something going on that RC is taking a break from Lauderdale? Just found it curious. 

Not being insensitive. I have lost to the virus itself. I lost one to complications from the intubation as well. I also knew many that it was barely as much as a cold. Then,   I have also lost to the vaccine. A healthy doctor friend passing away being one and my Fiance's brother being paralyzed for a few days made it clear that its not a walk in the park either. An "evil" so to speak.  It was forced upon us by a man made problem. Granted its a potential solution to a bad problem but it would be a lot nicer if it was never needed and the remote possibility of bad side effects wasn't there.