UNCFanatik

Yup, I see cases plummet in FL with no State issued mask mandates and vaccine mandates! 
Tell us who the Actual Experts are? I would really like to know....

Its a fine line. Currently they do not have to follow the CSO BUT the cruise lines all want to avoid another shutdown. 
I know they have to appease the CDC but that is such a moving target with the goal posts moving every day

Agreed and that in itself is the major problem. Trying to appease a politically driven health agency. If ever there were an oxymoron...

You are the one urging us all the follow the same public health experts that rolled out these policies from the start that did nothing to stop the spread but you refuse to see why people question "experts". Just this past week the experts who told people with heart issues to take aspirin all these years now have said that they should stop in some cases. So excuse me to believe there is such a thing as "settled science"
 

Its ok...I understand. There was a time in my life where I believed in magic as well....

Settled scientific fact? Is there even such a thing? Shouldnt science never be settled? That dangerous attitude stops any valid dissent and difference of opinion among scientists and leads to group think.  And there is quite the difference in science and doing things that err on the side of caution. 
Masks for instance....Japan has one of highest masks compliance in the world and their mask mandate did not stop the spike in covid cases around the Olympics and for all that Australia is doing, it STILL hasnt stopped the spread. You know why Zero Covid is a fantasy. SO I am curious how you have confirmed makes efficacy for example and how you think a flimsy cloth mask or neck gaiter protects ANYONE. 
 
 

Its ok...I understand. There was a time in my life where I believed in magic as well....

Are these the Public Health experts that deny natural immunity and still mandate vaccines for those who have already had Covid? 

Yup, I see cases plummet in FL with no State issued mask mandates and vaccine mandates! 
Tell us who the Actual Experts are? I would really like to know....

If one thing has been exposed is that there are no TRUE "experts" when it comes to a novel coronavirus. 
Back in May the Director of the CDC said vaccinated people do not spread the virus...guess what they do. She has been wrong on Covid MANY times. The CDC director went against her own "experts" regarding boosters recommendations and overruled them because that is what the WH and politics demanded. Top "Experts" in the FDA resigned over the booster shot issues. You can put your blind faith in CDC if you would like. 
And do you truly follow ALL the guidelines from the CDC "experts" in your day to day life?  
A BIG Issue is that the CDC is politically driven no matter what party is in control. 
The Cruise Lines are following whatever protocols they think will keep them sailing. The are in contact with CDC officials and those CDC officials are part of the political agenda that the WH sets for them
Cruise ship passengers can assess their own risk by reviewing cruise lines health protocols and determining whether they feel safe cruising without government oversight. Some of these protocols are causing cancellations and reduced bookings. People who booked cruises well in advance for late 2021 and early 2022 sailings did not anticipate that some of these protocols would be in place and unless certain protocols change, there will be more cancellations
There are current protocols in place that are purely Covid theater and have nothing to do with stopping the spread of Covid. Having someone fill my soda cup vs me filling my own cup at a freesytle machine does not protect me from Covid. 
Walking into a vaccinated designated dining room wearing a mask that i take off when I sit, does nothing to protect anyone from Covid.
I am all for protocols that are actually based on science and data, but unfortunately the cruise lines have to keep up the theater just to appease the CDC
IN 2 weeks we will see what happens to the CSO and how the cruise lines respond. 
 

Agreed and that in itself is the major problem. Trying to appease a politically driven health agency. If ever there were an oxymoron...

Its a fine line. Currently they do not have to follow the CSO BUT the cruise lines all want to avoid another shutdown. 
I know they have to appease the CDC but that is such a moving target with the goal posts moving every day

Are these the Public Health experts that deny natural immunity and still mandate vaccines for those who have already had Covid? 

Yup, I see cases plummet in FL with no State issued mask mandates and vaccine mandates! 
Tell us who the Actual Experts are? I would really like to know....

Wow, how underwhelming !  Stop the testing, stop the masks, do something the folks who keep you in business would love and appreciate.  Maybe I'll buy a car warranty instead. 

I haven't seen it offered yet either

It may have been a vaccinated only session. Throughout the cruise they had shows/events/activities that were designated vaccinated only and masks were not required even indoors.
 

But there are rules that dictate what they can and cannot do and union contracts with the airlines. 
If this was not a Union initiated action that violated their contracts then of course they would not admit it. 
What do you think the plausible explanation for what we saw with Southwest and now other airlines? And United is prepared to fire 232 employees over vaccine mandate
Do you think this all is an incredible coincidence?

Do you think the Airline unions would admit to an illegal work action? Is it just a coincidence that the Airlines that have a Dec 8 vaccine deadline because they are consider government contractors all of a sudden have a huge cancellation issue? It wasnt weather for Southwest because other airlines didnt experience it. 
Time will tell what is the true cause but to dismiss this off hand is not wise nor is it a given. I would be VERY concerned if I had an upcoming flight to make a Cruise and would be looking for other travel alternatives.
LETS GO BRANDON!!!!!

I would think if I find myself in a lifeboat, I have a lot bigger concerns than Covid at that moment. But that’s just me 

I hope they soon end the ridicules block off of every other table, with the capacity going up those table are sorely need.  Even at 30-40% capacity there were times when there were no available table in Windjamer especially for mid-morning breakfast

CDC:
 

Do you think the Airline unions would admit to an illegal work action? Is it just a coincidence that the Airlines that have a Dec 8 vaccine deadline because they are consider government contractors all of a sudden have a huge cancellation issue? It wasnt weather for Southwest because other airlines didnt experience it. 
Time will tell what is the true cause but to dismiss this off hand is not wise nor is it a given. I would be VERY concerned if I had an upcoming flight to make a Cruise and would be looking for other travel alternatives.
LETS GO BRANDON!!!!!

I can agree on the buffets for non-covid reasons but I think its ok for people to get their own sodas from the freestyle coke machines without risk of getting Covid. 

I would think if I find myself in a lifeboat, I have a lot bigger concerns than Covid at that moment. But that’s just me