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danv3

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  1. This seems about right...until the CDC extends the CSO beyond November 1.
  2. A lot of hedging in the CDC guidance, but this is indisputably good news and a clear step in the direction of normalcy. How ecstatic are grandparents to hear that once fully vaccinated they can safely visit their grandkids again, and without masks?
  3. The "must purchase a cruiseline-provided excursion to leave the ship" rule is a lot more concerning to me than the mask requirement. I have a hard time imagining taking a cruise (especially to Caribbean ports you can easily do yourself) under that kind of requirement.
  4. They definitely could choose to enforce this strictly. Given their strong anti-cruise bias, it wouldn't be a huge surprise.
  5. How do you make everyone happy? You don't. You choose the customer who is the most profitable and make that person happy (as long as you believe there are enough other people who feel the same way). X must think there are more than enough Customer A's out there. And X also knows that some Customer B's will gripe but still end up booking a cruise.
  6. Went once on Majesty myself and would absolutely go again. So different from the other Caribbean ports.
  7. On my last cruise there was a guest under cabin arrest for disorderly/violent conduct at a bar one night. He got to spend most of his cruise in an inside stateroom by himself with a security guard outside the door 24/7.
  8. An aft cabin is never the wrong answer IMO. ?
  9. Some interesting points: No cruises longer than 7 days Cruiselines must conduct testing at embarkation and disembarkation (it doesn't appear that a test at home before departure would count)
  10. Sure they could, once the no sail order is lifted. Right now the CDC recommends against travel to virtually the entire world (https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/travelers/map-and-travel-notices.html) yet international flights still depart the US daily. If the White House pressures/forces CDC to end the no sail order, cruises would be treated the same as other travel: not prohibited, but not recommended.
  11. Nothing new. Posted in March and "reviewed" a few days ago. Not sure anything has changed. Arguably, this could be a sign that cruises are going to be allowed to proceed before too long, just against CDC advice.
  12. It's pretty hard to discuss this without getting into politics, because the very question being asked is to what extent should political actors (the WH) have influence over the decisions of an agency that you'd expect to be fairly independent on matters within its competence (CDC). However, those who are eager to cruise should be very concerned by some of the language used by the Representative leading the investigation: " 'These ships shouldn’t leave port until we know passengers and crew will be safe and the ships won’t again become global vectors of disease,' Maloney said in a release." Even if cruises begin in December or early January, one wonders whether they'll continue after January 20th.
  13. If Royal Caribbean made false statements to you to induce you go on the cruise and you suffered harm as a result, then yeah, you probably should consider suing. If there's evidence that bookings weren't as strong as RCG was saying in February, they could have a problem. Likely, since COVID didn't really blow up until March, the statements in February were true when made, and this lawsuit ends up getting dismissed. But this is different from just "I'm mad that I lost money in the market! RCG should have done something!" The plaintiffs have alleged specific purportedly false statements to the market that would tend to have the effect of propping up the stock price.
  14. I don't know that this lawsuit is a winner, but I think it's more serious than some of the prior posters. One big tell is that the plaintiffs seem to have a legitimate firm representing them. This is not some random ambulance chaser in south Florida. It's a large, NYC-based securities litigation firm. Also, the real thrust of the complaint is some fairly rosy comments from early February: 42. During the call, Royal Caribbean’s executives explained that the positive trend in booking came from North America and Europe, where the pandemic was not yet concentrated. Despite significant concerns over COVID-19, CFO Liberty touted “ongoing strength in demand from North America for at least two years and I’m happy to say that there are no signs of a slowdown.” CFO Liberty represented that this purported “strength in demand” was “also benefiting itineraries in Europe.” He also confirmed that, in Europe, “bookings were similar to the same time last year over the past three months and had been up nicely during Wave.” 43. In response to these statements about “non-China booking,” an analyst asked if the Company could “elaborate . . . on that in terms of what [they] have seen with bookings or cancellations in the last week.” Bayley, CEO of Royal Caribbean International, responded: “we’re kind of pleased with what we’re seeing in all of our markets around the world with of course the exception of what's occurring in China.” Despite consumer worries about COVID19, Bayley assured that they had received little concern over the virus from trade partners and customers and that “any issue related to the virus is relatively small.” (No idea what it's got strike-through like that) If (big if) RCG already knew about the effects COVID was about have on their business and were downplaying it in that way, they could have some exposure.
  15. Yeah, dress code debates are very much a pre-COVID relic. I would be very surprised if cruise lines even pretend to have formal nights when they restart in 2021.
  16. November and December cruises (from two ports only) "remain in place for the time being..." Seems like Carnival is starting to signal to its guests that 2020 cruises are done.
  17. Correct. Assuming the T&C say what the article indicates, this case should be dismissed and refiled in England.
  18. Fascinating chart on pages 9-15 of the things they plan to keep long-term vs. the things that can be scaled back as conditions improve. For example, ship or "verified" excursions is only for "the initial return to sailing" but better air filters and some changes to the medical facilities are intended to be permanent.
  19. If you want to see the kind of comments the CDC actually cares about, go here: https://www.royalcaribbeangroup.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Healthy-Sail-Panel_Full-Recommendations_9.21.20_FINAL.pdf Of course that doesn't mean that CDC will ultimately accept all those recommendations, but that's something that they will seriously review and engage with.
  20. The CDC won't care about those comments any more than they care about the pro-cruise comments. This isn't a vote or popularity contest. They're only asking for comments because they're legally required to do so.
  21. This is kind of what I foresee at least until people get more used to it. Unless they expect port security to enforce the rule for them and turn people away at the gate. I guess we'll see.
  22. Will be interesting to see how "enforcing arrival times" works in practice.
  23. There are a lot of practical problems to overcome before mass pre-cruise testing is viable. Even the new "rapid" test takes 30 minutes and requires a lab to process the sample. While that's far better than 3-5 days, it's not a do-it-yourself almost instantaneous test like a pregnancy test or something. Where do people sit and wait while their tests are out? What happens when one of them tests positive? Obviously that person (and his/her party?) are excluded from the cruise, right? Or do they get a chance to retest? What about people who stood near them in the security line or sat near them in the terminal? Allowed to cruise but confined to quarters? Presumably to do this you have to enforce terminal arrival times. What do you do with people who arrive before their appointment? At most terminals there's really nowhere to wait outside, but you can't let them in (because the terminal is full of people waiting for test results). I'm glad I don't run a cruise line, because all I can see are problems.
  24. Exactly the kind of response that will be read once and logged (because they legally have to) and then completely ignored. The CDC doesn't want this guy's opinion, or yours or mine. They're asking because they're required to. The kinds of responses they'll actually consider will be 10+ pages long and will present data and realistic solutions. Random internet submissions? They may read a few of them for laughs.
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