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30 minutes ago, JeffB said:

Obviously, I dislike intrusive government mandates, but unlike what appears to be court rulings that are undercutting the basis upon which they issued the NSO and CSO, that they can continue to tell people what to do in transportation hubs (airports, train and bus terminals that are under federal jurisdiction) as well as public conveyances that use them and cruise ships operating in US waters are a public conveyance.   

this is true, but international waters start 3 miles off the beach....then what?

You may see starting sept 1st things change maybe. 

1 hour ago, Ray said:

Now its common Knowledge that the unvaccinated are more likely to catch covid than the vaccinated,the seriousness of any virus obviously depends on the health of the individual. But lets say on a ship with 90% unvaccinated and an outbreak occurs because that 90 % for whatever reason have decided against the vaccine, what happens to the 10% vaccinateds cruise? Cut short? Loss of money for flights etc? 

CDC comes down hard again? 

Its a mask! Do i like wearing it? No!! But i look at the bigger picture! England has dropped all regulations and cases and deaths are rising ( highest numbers since January) more cases means our hospitals are overwhelmed again thus resulting in people requiring non covid ops having to wait. 

Now yes everyone has a choice get vaccinated or not but every company or government has the same choice in what they decide to do with regards wearing masks, said from day 1 whatever the rules are you follow them and if you aint happy you dont go.

this goes both ways tho, what about the young and healthy who can sail safely? why do they have to abide by guidelines for the unhealthy and more at risk. its like making all skinny people lose weight because all the fat people have to and its only fair the skinny people have to as well because science says its more healthy to

Do you think the cruise lines will change? I don’t  

So what happens after tomorrow night 

so did anything happen this week? i though it was going to change this week or something.

when are these ports supposed to open back up?

38 minutes ago, AlmondFarmer said:

Interesting data that would tell more of the story is the number of tests conducted and or the total number of cases. I assume vaccinated people are testing less or not at all. This would explain a higher positivity rate even if total cases are unchanged or even decreasing.  A higher positivity rate does not necessitate an increase in cases. 

Cherry picking statistics can tell almost any story. 

I did not investigate beyond the article. I’m simply stating that as written it isn’t relevant in terms of statistical validity. 

dont bring that kinda of reasoning around here lol

I dont mind some what stricter rules just because we have finally gotten to this point. I think at this point we are just shy of 70% vaccinated in the us, so that means all of the elderly are more than likely vaccinated and the young ones arent, and they arent as at risk to getting it. with that being said the numbers are more than likely at a safe point to return with no vaccine requirement. You can always wear a mast if you personally feel unsafe. for my 2 cents.  

16 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

CDC wants an extra month (July 2 to August 2) to respond to the ruling.  Yet doesn't ask for an extension of the stay of the CSO.  Florida is OK with 2 weeks, but not a whole month.

 

https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flmd.388773/gov.uscourts.flmd.388773.93.0_1.pdf

I’d say not. They have had plenty of time to change things. 

I think they will reduce a lot of the BS this week.  It’s due anyways. I agree the more vax on a cruise the better but how can They both coexist with out having all this different rules. 

rumor on the web is the CDC is going to relax alot of this BS in the coming days

I worry more for noro on cruises than I would covid. 

there are some questionable comments in this thread at best.....

7 minutes ago, cruisinghawg said:

How many people here who would cruise if not vaccinated?

me

i honestly believe by july things will be changed again

the way I read this vaccines aren’t mandatory anymore but highly recommended? 
 

https://www.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article251909713.html?fbclid=IwAR2yjownrp7c7-Eu7LLFKvz5Ty30rEcYk653rzUydhHGIuCIb-5fIfaoVP4     

point being is a cruise a means of travel or is it more of a all inclusive resort? that what it comes down too. at this point travel and vacation at your own risk

7 minutes ago, johnt83 said:

Even if it is that, the damage is done. Remember the false positive that took place on Quantum of the Seas out of Singapore last year? Media went nuts over it. People don't remember that it was a false positive, all they remember and report was a positive test initially. The media sucks lol.

I remember but it has to be a false positive or neg when boarding. Either way these test are a shot in the dark lol

False positive I bet 

test cruises are not any different for the normal paid cruise cant have the same amount of vaccinated vs non vaccinated from my understanding 

5 hours ago, Craig 01020 said:

No other vacation spot can abruptly end your vacation because of an outbreak:

"If a certain threshold level of COVID-19 is detected onboard the ship during your voyage, the voyage will end immediately, the ship will return to the port of embarkation, and your subsequent travel, including your return home, may be restricted or delayed."

sure they can....and did

i just dont know how you can require a Vaccine to cruise, no other vacation spot does this....june 1st Vegas is going back to Pre Covid. you cant survive on vaccinated people only.... there isnt enough people vaccinated 

7 minutes ago, VoidoftheSeas said:

This is probably a positive outcome, but going to mediation doesn't necessarily guarantee a resolution.

No but the fact they have to do it sooner than later. A lot can happen in 2 weeks 

The Judge just made them go to mediation by June 1st.