smokeybandit

Governors of MD, VA, AK, LA, HI and PR are all calling on the CDC to open up. https://www.winnmediaskn.com/governors-of-five-states-and-puerto-rico-sign-on-to-bryans-letter-to-cdc-calling-for-the-easing-of-cruise-travel-restrictions/ Then there's this article which I don't have access to read, but I'd be real curious if the headline was accurate

After their plan to the CDC featured vaxed only, it wouldn't be a good look to start up their other cruises with different criteria.

Israel has only used Pfizer. But that's a good use case that will soon apply to the USA when businesses will be able to acquire lots of vaccine after the demand from the general public wanes.

We were actually booked on Allure in July until the Adventure came on line and we figured it might actually sail.

We were on Allure and it was gorgeous. Just too big, less personal. Plus the Coastal Kitchen screwing up my wife's dinner orders (she has dietary restrictions that are always easily handled in the main dining room) made us sour on that class of ship.

It'll be interesting to see how their adults only cruises fare with RC's family cruises.

Six feet is funny since the WHO and most of the world are going with 1 meter/3 feet

The CDC has been saying this for almost a year. This data just further quantifies how rare it is. But yes, many of the CDC's CSO requirements are to reduce surface transmission

I'd pick Mariner since I think Allure is too big. But if you polled the room you'd probably get 50/50

It sure feels like this is all leading up to a massive lawsuit by the cruise lines and Texas/Florida.

Cruise ships have been kept in warm storage though. It wouldn't take long for the ships to be ready. The issue is crewing the ship and getting supply lines flowing again.

All RC port states offer vaccinations to all 16+ except: April 15 - Washington (not that that really matters since Alaska cruises are toast), California April 19 - Massachusetts (also a wash due to Canada's rules) April 27 - Maryland May 1 - Hawaii (again, Canada), New Jersey Not sure on Puerto Rico

I mean 12 hours. And as we all know that gangway is outside in fresh air.

My cruise planner purchases were refunded quickly after my March cruise. Of course, still waiting for $200 in taxes/fees to be refunded.

It's listed in the "agreement" the lines need to have with the port. So they'd basically need to have two gangways set up at a time, one for the last cruise, one for the next cruise.

That page has existed since December and most ships were in the green in December. Which makes the CSO technical guidance delay for Phase 2 more ridiculous since cruise lines have been ready for Phase 2 since last year.

If that's their approach it could be brilliant since I don't believe the CDC can approve something that requires vaccines due to the EUA nature of the vaccine.

That reeks of pure desperation, especially with a thru date of Oct 31, the last day of the CSO. The odds of there being a vaccine for anyone under 16 is still very unlikely by Oct 31.

But banning kids (and therefore families) could really backfire on NCL, too.

Though RC's first announcement about Odyssey in Israel said "fully vaccinated" only to late clarify that it was for vaccine age-eligible

It would be quite a power play to actually mean "all" people vaccinated. For now I assume that to mean "all who are age-eligible"

At this point the CDC isn't mandating a vaccine because they really can't as long as it's just an EUA authorization. It seems the only thing the cruise lines see as a way to fast forward past the CSO is with vaccines (fair thought process). But I don't see it working since the CDC easily could have included language that would incentivize cruise lines prioritizing vaccines, even without an outright mandate. Instead it just said "hey, if you can, get vaccinated"

Seems a little late for that desperate move since the CDC all but said they're locked into the CSO for the duration

Unless cruise lines have a back door deal with the CDC (doubtful at this point) there's no way June is happening after the CDC's latest update.

There have been 246 deaths among those aged 0-17 in the last 13 months, with many of those kids having some underlying condition. The flu kills more than that in a single 6 month flu season.