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Meanwhile American Cruise Line is operating 6 of 13 ships now:

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24811-american-cruise-lines-has-six-ships-back-in-service.html

And has plans for full fleet sailing this spring:

https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/American-Cruise-Lines-US-ocean-cruises?ct=cruise

It's trick to license the ships under 200 passengers so they escape the CDC orders.

One ship has been sailing since March 13 and the sky hasn't fallen.

Proof again that ships can sail with protocols.

ACL has taken baby steps for us with their small ships and proven it can be done.  Time to step up to bigger ships.

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For this kind of comparison to be meaningful, it might be better to compare cases/10K in Nassau and surrounding area v., for example, Broward Co., home of PEV. This way you get an idea of the level of circulating virus in a specific locale rather than nationally. National new case numbers, as I have argued, are misleading and virtually useless.

However, the point probably still stands. I imagine that Nassau has a much lower level of circulating virus than Fort Lauderdale. Just guessing though. Reporting varies widely and it is hard to compare locals, states or countries. I can also advance the argument, that the CDC will not presently allow to be argued, that a requirement to be vaccinated to board a cruise ship pretty much eliminates arguing about levels of circulating virus around the port being a concern or preventing cruise ships from porting.

Does all of this twisting ourselves in pretzels trying to make sense of it just confirm for us how absolutely screwed up the CDC's picture of reality is?  

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1 hour ago, twangster said:

Meanwhile American Cruise Line is operating 6 of 13 ships now:

https://www.cruiseindustrynews.com/cruise-news/24811-american-cruise-lines-has-six-ships-back-in-service.html

And has plans for full fleet sailing this spring:

https://www.travelweekly.com/Cruise-Travel/American-Cruise-Lines-US-ocean-cruises?ct=cruise

It's trick to license the ships under 200 passengers so they escape the CDC orders.

One ship has been sailing since March 13 and the sky hasn't fallen.

Proof again that ships can sail with protocols.

ACL has taken baby steps for us with their small ships and proven it can be done.  Time to step up to bigger ships.

My friend on American Queen Steamboat just started his 4th week of cruises. Successful so far! 

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I’m heading to The Bahamas in June and can’t wait!  We are fully vaccinated and are willing to abide by all COVID protocols in Nassau and on the ship.  In my opinion we will likely be safer than in some areas of the US. I agree completely that the CDC has real heartburn where cruising is concerned and amid all other forms of travel resuming business as well as amusement parks, sports venues etc. it’s clear they have singled out the cruise industry. So sad as it’s affecting so many folks from port cities and yet they keep digging in much like a ‘stubborn child”. They do have a job to do, and of course some of issues are political but really - giving them a pass as if they are trying to protect us - that dog don’t hunt in Texas🤠

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I think with protocols it can be done, but how enjoyable will it be?  Vegas requiring masks around pools but not in, I walked away from a gambling table locally after being asked to adjust my mask the third time, I just get to thinking about the entire experience of dining, shows, casino, dancing, escape room, pools and beaches.....  

Obviously it's been talked to death for over a year now, but I have serious concerns about what cruising will look like when it resumes, how much fun will it really be vs the costs and hassles associated with it and that's not even talking vaccination and testing, which I think are a given.

I mean Spring break 2022, Jan 2023?  I could still see mask mandates a year from now.  Worries me that things won't ever go back to being as free and fun as they used to be.  I get that change is constant for any part of life, but I'm already missing the good old days.

 

 

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I am hoping that with the recent calls for people to end outdoor mask wearing by multiple mainstream media outlets because science shows us that outdoor transmission of Covid is EXTREMELY rare (the science and data has been showing this for a year now) that the cruise lines will drop any mask wearing requirements in outdoor settings. At the pool, they can eliminate chairs if needed since it seems cruises will run at reduced capacity to start

I know mask requirements especially for vaccinated people are basically theater at this point but its theater the CDC is looking for. I just hope the Cruise lines continue to say they follow data and science when it comes to masks outdoors otherwise it would be contradictory

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2 hours ago, dr martini said:

I think with protocols it can be done, but how enjoyable will it be?  Vegas requiring masks around pools but not in, I walked away from a gambling table locally after being asked to adjust my mask the third time, I just get to thinking about the entire experience of dining, shows, casino, dancing, escape room, pools and beaches.....  

Obviously it's been talked to death for over a year now, but I have serious concerns about what cruising will look like when it resumes, how much fun will it really be vs the costs and hassles associated with it and that's not even talking vaccination and testing, which I think are a given.

I mean Spring break 2022, Jan 2023?  I could still see mask mandates a year from now.  Worries me that things won't ever go back to being as free and fun as they used to be.  I get that change is constant for any part of life, but I'm already missing the good old days.

 

 

I'm planning to go on Celebrity in June and I expect the protocols to be tight.  Like many people, I believe this is more theatre than actual need, but appearances are important to Royal at this point.

My expectation is that the protocols will loosen up over the summer and be pretty wide open by winter.

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2 hours ago, steverk said:

I'm planning to go on Celebrity in June and I expect the protocols to be tight.  Like many people, I believe this is more theatre than actual need, but appearances are important to Royal at this point.

My expectation is that the protocols will loosen up over the summer and be pretty wide open by winter.

I actually expect the opposite (although i will comply if they are tight) .. i think two more months from now the masks are going to be largely history, especially in 100% vaccinated environments.

The rules on only Royal excursions might still be in place and i think things like no self-serve buffet, limited capacity, distancing might all still be in place but I dont think masks (especially outdoors on open decks) are going to be required.

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7 minutes ago, jticarruthers said:

I actually expect the opposite (although i will comply if they are tight) .. i think two more months from now the masks are going to be largely history, especially in 100% vaccinated environments.

The rules on only Royal excursions might still be in place and i think things like no self-serve buffet, limited capacity, distancing might all still be in place but I dont think masks (especially outdoors on open decks) are going to be required.

I like your prediction. May it come true! 😀

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4 hours ago, UNCFanatik said:

I am hoping that with the recent calls for people to end outdoor mask wearing by multiple mainstream media outlets because science shows us that outdoor transmission of Covid is EXTREMELY rare (the science and data has been showing this for a year now) that the cruise lines will drop any mask wearing requirements in outdoor settings. At the pool, they can eliminate chairs if needed since it seems cruises will run at reduced capacity to start

I completely agree, and I was talking about this with @MelKaps last night.

The issue, as I see it, is cruise ships are incredibly under the gun not to have even ONE case onboard. Media is waiting with baited breath for a case so they can jump on the "ANOTHER COVID OUTBREAK AT SEA" train, followed up with the "WHAT WERE THEY THINKING" trash.

There will absolutely be a certain level of health theater onboard, because they have to do every little thing they can to mitigate the chance of a case onboard.

Dollywood just rolled back their restrictions, but no one cares when there's a case there because it's not gonna get clicks/views like "CRUISE SHIP PETRI DISH DISASTER" stuff.

It's the sad reality cruises are in right now.

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There are more people in this photo from the weekend than a full Oasis class ship. There are more people in this stadium than 14 full Oasis class ships.

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No masks, no social distancing, no COVID....No cruise ships. The CDC aren't the only losers out there.

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31 minutes ago, mattymay said:

There are more people in this photo from the weekend than a full Oasis class ship. There are more people in this stadium than 14 full Oasis class ships.

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No masks, no social distancing, no COVID....No cruise ships. The CDC aren't the only losers out there.

What in the... where is this? Recent photo?

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7 minutes ago, mattymay said:

4 days ago.. Melbourne, Australia. Just making the point that you could be like this and the CDC probably still wont let you guys sail.

Wow that is nuts... It looks like Australia no longer has a pandemic or something? Lol.. no masks is crazy nor social distancing. I have seen some baseball events in the US with over 40,000 fans, some masks but mostly not... crazy... It still boggles my mind when I see large gatherings like these yet the CDC won't even allow cruises to restart sooner rather than later with all the safety protocols. Hopefully by mid-summer things are back rolling again.

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I hear many people talking about the "low risk" of Covid as a reason to stop masks, not get vaccinated, etc.  The way I look at it is the same way I look at how much money I am willing to bet in the casino.  I never bet more than I am willing to lose.  In this case, you are betting your life, regardless of your age or other health considerations, this virus can kill you or cause very serious life long problems.  I am not willing to make that bet, or want the chance that I am forced to take that bet kept to a minimum.  And the frustrating thing is I have no control over other people's actions that basically force me to take it.  Especially when most of the stated reasons are as outrageous as they are.  Having said that, the risk without vaccinations and the other protocols in place , on a ship with the small, shared air space that is shared for extended periods of time would be many times higher than traveling by plane or pretty much any other activity.  The idea is to reduce that risk to as close to 0 as possible.  Given the ease of transmission and the impossibility of predicting the outcome of any particular infection, I think the protocols and vaccinations and other requirements are the only sensible  way to restart the industry.  It would probably only take one small outbreak on one ship to shut the entire industry down again.

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Australia's COVID restrictions were much harsher than anything the CDC or states ever put in place. They're currently averaging less than 30 new cases per day. Adjusted for population, that would be the equivalent of 394 new cases per day in the United States, as compared with the 60,000 new cases the US actually had yesterday. So using the Australia photo to critique CDC policies is apples-to-oranges. 

That said, @mattymay's point is very valid for Australia--it seems really bizarre why they would allow an event like in that photo but not allowing cruising. 

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On 4/20/2021 at 8:18 AM, UNCFanatik said:

Unfortunately, the CDC is guided more by politics than public health and science. The CDC has become another hammer to wield by whatever administration is in control in order to match their agenda.

And its sad to see the hypocrisy of those that ignore most of CDC guidance and suggestions on other matters (smoking, obesity, etc) but yet take CDC Covid recommendations as 100% Gospel that is never to be questioned and strictly adhered to 

 

Well said!

 

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