danv3

Not sure I'm following the point you are making .. 
I think you're saying that if we had a whole lot of un-vaccinated people they could get sick ... agreed.
So vaccinated people should be forced to wear masks around un-vaccinated people, in an environment where said un-vaccinated people are paying to be present and also not particularly interested in wearing masks (judging from my conversations with un-vaccinated people on a cruise ship). 
Am I following that correctly ?
My opinion - if you know the risks of being un-vaccinated and choose to accept those risks .. get your bikini on and lets go cruising.

Just off Freedom, generally it was a good cruise, great to be back out and see the enthusiasm from the crew etc.
Not sure I will book again until the masks come off though, sailing out of Florida which has been mask free for a while it was an exercise in farcical bullshit to play the mask game which pretty every passenger and crew member acknowledged but we all played the game and tried not to get too frustrated.
Its safe for you to sit in the "vaccinated zone" of the schooner lounge mask free while other people standing six inches away "outside the zone" have to wear masks to be safe .. one of many examples.

I was watching those webcams too.  Roxy was on the bow live on TikTok.   
Great time to cruise with so few guests on board.  

There's no need to sanitize a room. Even the CDC has said surface contamination isn't a concern. Just let the room sit for an hour and let the HVAC do its job.

Let us all take some solace that, thanks to this incident, we will most likely never have to encounter this woman on our own RCI cruises!
??? I agree with her though, they falsified her test because they are TOTALLY looking for that kind of publicity! ???

She also made the claim that Royal was out to get her and falsified the test to make it positive. 
Why would they do that?  That's the very last outcome they want and they don't need a COVID test result to remove someone from a cruise.  She had already violated the guest conduct policy at that point.  That's all they need to remove her.  

She tested positive.  End of story. 
The mix up that resulted in her getting a bracelet did not cause her to become infected.   
She knows her vaccination status.  She chose to play like she was vaccinated using the bracelet to go into areas she knows she didn't belong.  The signs don't say "purple bracelets only", the signs read "Vaccinated Guest Area".  She knew she was breaking the rules.

Got a free ride home in a private jet.  Hard to complain about that.
Mixups are going to happen.  No system will ever be perfect.   
She needs to take accountability for her actions rather than trying to cast shade on the cruise industry.

I've always said since this all started, I'm not scared of the virus itself on cruises, especially now that I'm vaccinated.  I got the J&J but that's another story. 
I'm afraid of the overreaction - by the ship authorities, the health agencies, the passengers, and the public.  One wrong move and the cruise is disrupted.

You're certainly right that not all laws are constitutional, but the legislative background makes NCLH's argument  harder.  One of the big issues in the Florida v. CDC case was that the CDC acted unilaterally on an administrative basis (and far beyond any regulatory authority it had ever used previously).  A state legislature has much broader powers.  Fundamentally, this really comes down to NCLH disagreeing with the law and its lack of an exception for cruise lines.  They've had to dress up that disagreement into constitutional arguments. 
But the biggest problem for NCLH is that other cruise lines are already successfully sailing from Florida in compliance with Florida's law and without material COVID issues.  That by itself basically sinks any chance of getting a preliminary injunction.  Where is the irreparable harm?

Litigators...  *shakes head*

These are really weak arguments NCLH is raising.  Due Process and dormant commerce clause seem almost laughable.  
We don't have to like the Florida statute, but it is clearly a law duly passed by the legislature and signed by the governor, so there's a presumption of validity.  NCLH's arguments all really boil down to "we can't operate how we want to, and the way we now have to operate is too hard."  (Except it's not too hard as RCI is already proving.)
The chance of a preliminary injunction being entered here has got to be less than 5%.

These are really weak arguments NCLH is raising.  Due Process and dormant commerce clause seem almost laughable.  
We don't have to like the Florida statute, but it is clearly a law duly passed by the legislature and signed by the governor, so there's a presumption of validity.  NCLH's arguments all really boil down to "we can't operate how we want to, and the way we now have to operate is too hard."  (Except it's not too hard as RCI is already proving.)
The chance of a preliminary injunction being entered here has got to be less than 5%.

A danger of a zero covid strategy.

Ok… let’s see the randomized control trials that show the effectiveness of masks..
let’s see the proof masks totally stopped the flu this year but couldn’t stop Covid. 
 
I know it’s easier to believe in the magic of a cloth mask to be effective against an aerosolized virus. 

Looking at the various protocols for various ships, it seems like they opened more venues to the unvaccinated, which means masks in more venues for the vaccinated.  That kind of bums me out.  But I'm hoping it changes soon so I'm not losing any sleep over it.

It’s just a mask…
its just 2 weeks…
it’s just 15 days to slow the spread..
its just shutting down children’s playgrounds to protect them..
its just closing beaches…
its just a 5 year old wearing a mask all day in school…
its just having children at summer camps in extreme temps required to wear masks..
it’s just suspending elective surgeries at hospitals for a Covid surge that didn’t happen…
its just an increased rate in suicides among young people because of isolation…
I’m sorry but it is a big deal when the CDC and our government has been so wrong so often about Covid and Covid protocols/lockdowns over the last year
Hopefully we learn from the past and seriously evaluate the mitigation methods taken against Covid and not repeat these same mistakes moving forward and this includes the cruise lines and masking. After July 18 when the CSO is no longer enforceable, masks should not be required on cruise ships. Cause guess what, even with masks, Covid cases will happen. 
 
 
 
 

Like many things this comes down to personal preferences. 
On Serenade for example lounging in the Solarium watching the world go by requires wearing a mask.  For many people sitting for hours in a space like the Solarium on a sea day and having to wear a mask is a pretty significant factor.  The ear loops start to hurt after a few hours.  After seven days of wearing masks for hours and hours each day?
As a fully vaccinated person for several months having not worn a mask anywhere in my life for the last 45+ days while visiting shops, bars and restaurants or anywhere I go I'm still undecided if I want my vacation impacted to this extent.  Once you get a taste of the maskless life it's hard to put one on and be happy about it.   Three days on Freedom is one thing.  Eight days on a different ship?  Undecided.   
I have a 14 night cruise booked this fall.  If masks are still required I don't see buying a whole new stockpile of masks and putting up with masks for that cruise.  
Thankfully they are giving me the CWC option.

Hallelujah !

You mean like the masks that worked so well in Japan with a society that has a much higher mask compliance than the US? Japan, who is seeing a surge in Covid cases so much so that no spectators are now going to be allowed at olympics? 
 
The CDC just released their new school guidelines that are saying that unvaccinated children should wear masks. CDC continues to be a joke. 
There will always be new strains of viruses just look at seasonal flu. Covid is well in the way to being endemic. Mass testing needs to end just like they ended testing of H1N1 in 2009-2010. Caseademic at this point. 
 
The variants are now just more panic porn. The Delta variant is no more deadly than original despite what media pushes. 
 
I get that the US wants more people to get vaccinated but fear is not the way to accomplish it
Royal needs to drop masking because masking is just theater at this point and their customers are going to continue to cancel cruises if they continue these masking protocols 

What science? Please tell me? 
 
we were told mask didn’t work
we were told mask not only work but the former CDC director told us mask were more effective than vaccines.
we were told Covid spread easily outdoors so we were told that playgrounds, parks, beaches, etc needed to be closed for our safety. 
 
we were told Covid could spread on surfaces so we were told to sanitize like crazy. 
 
we were told asymptomatic spread wasn’t a major driver until we were told it was. 
 
we were told and continue to be told that each new variant is THE killer variant
we were told at one time that the morbidity rate was up over 3%
 
Fauci told us to disagree with him was to disagree with science itself while Fauci flip flopped so many times 
scientists told us that when Texas dropped their mask mandates that Covid cases would explode and excessive death would follow
Lastly, we were told by the scientist that there was no way Covid escaped from a lab
So which science hasn’t mattered? 
 
again… we have a years worth of data now. We have to learn from the mistakes of politicized science and never let them happen again. 

Except we didn't.  Flying home from Allure's transatlantic in March 2020 when I arrived in DFW I was placed into a room with travelers from all over world arriving into DFW including flights from China - for three hours.  This was the CDC's "great idea" to stop the spread.
When CBP asked me if I had any symptoms etc. I replied "It's more likely that if I got COVID on this trip it happened right here being locked in a room with people arriving from everywhere including China."  His response... "You and me both."

CDC just got benchslapped. 

CDC just got benchslapped. 

CDC just got benchslapped. 

CDC just got benchslapped.