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You missed the point. Not making a direct comparison but illustrating an example that a vaccine is 1 arrow in a quiver of many mitigation techniques. It takes many techniques to make things safer - again nothing is 100%. The health panel recommendations comprise of a web of many mitigation actions. If you don't like the word influenza - substitute measles.

After pondering, its still too early for the cruise doc's to show updated protocols. The plan was submitted 21 Sep and until the CDC approves, we don't know what recommendations will be implemented. Would imagine a separate doc being issued that's focused just on the adopted protocols. Lets watch to see if the CDC no sail expires in 3 days. If so, the wheels deciding which plan recommendations are adopted will start turning. Lets get to 1 Oct and watch.

You got your tags in the docs - that's a warm fuzzy. Fingers crossed for expiration of the no sail in 3 days

Prior to crew call back, I would expect the CDC no sail to expire (3 days) and the health plan to be approved. Big cost if they call everyone back too early and can put them to work.

I was not asserting equivalency between the two, only using influenza as there is actually a vaccine in place and you still need other mitigating factors to avert risk. Actually had close 3 family members have it. Two kids (30s) had mild symptoms for 2 days and recovered (then donated plasma for antibodies), my sibling ended up in the hospital for 3 days and quickly recovered after therapeutics were administered. So not underplaying at all. But we need to move forward and understand what all the health planning can provide or not.

I think the reduced capacity recommendation for early sailings is another mitigation technique to minimize breakout. Might even be appropriate to message early cruising as protocol validation. "Attention all passengers , as part of being part of the first cruise experience after shutdown, you are all privileged to be part of our new and amazing health protocols. Enjoy your vacation and we look forward to remotely monitor you complete the Muster 2.0 drill. "

Could use the influenza vaccine example. We have it, many get the vaccine yet for some reason they succumb. Vaccines are a way to reduce chances of getting sick, but don't guarantee it. We try to combine many strategies to prevent a disease - vaccines, diet, exercise, hygiene etc. When you put yourself into a new environment like a hotel, ship, plane - you're introduced to factors out of your control - like who's around you. So if you use all the tools available, you'll build a safe house against 97% of the storms. (Evacuate for the remaining 3)

The panel highlighted that nothing is 100%. We're now in the stage of risk management/mitigation - lets get to it. We'll have some success and a few failures - but doing nothing only cedes to defeat. Even in failures, we learn, and find ways to avoid them next time around.

The pre-travel test may be inconvenient, but its a way to mitigate travel risk prior the air or car ride to the port. I would take the pre-travel test on embarkation (- 4 days) to mitigate the chance I'm not traveling with it and then get surprised during the embarkation process. Understand the embarkation day test. This won''t be a permanent situation, but if you're wanting to get back soonest, you'll have to partake the the extra diligence. Fill the squares, cooperate and graduate and these things will pass.

You're right. Need a sanitizing protocol for the ducks before they're brought on board ?

I would certainly give the new protocols a shot.

Has Key West opened up yet?

This was already published, but here it is again.

I wasn't connecting to restart, but the migration of the 2.0 to the Celebrity app. As this is the first cruise window that's opened for us (that the app actually connects), it was cool to see the link to the muster video. The video was in Chinese which was entertaining.

Maybe the fact it's phasing out is a signal we may see things spin up later in the year. Just a guess.

That would be a great gesture. Allows those who aren't ready for more public dining settings a way to mitigate concerns.

This showed up on my Celebrity APP today

I remember not being able to dock (wind) in Vancouver and just sitting in the bay for half a day before heading back to Seattle on the backend of an Alaskan cruise. Weather cancel is clearly ok (safety), I think some financial levers foster some creativity if this border riff goes on too long. US has just extended its border exclusion on its side. Its a back-n-forth at this time. We'll see what happens next season.

This appeared on my Celebrity APP today for my Nov 22 cruise. Perhaps the introduction of Muster 2.0?

Apex left the ship yard on route to Southhampton. Will rotate to FLL in October. There still may be a lighter 2020 season on Celebrity. Was told Apex and Edge are the priority ships for Celebrity restart in US.

I believe if the border stays closed too far into 2021 , the USG will grant exceptions for passenger ships to travel to AK from US ports. Would guess the lines would lobby for it. Exceptions have been granted in the past.

It was a family cruise (Liberty of the Seas) with my grandson (4). He loved escargot - had it every night. He also loved waving the napkins at the final dinner in the MDR when all the staff starts their parade.

Or you could be asked to augment the medical staff ?

Just on my Oasis cruise and no deal.