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Hi All,
I'm new to this group, but have been on Freedom and have been following along since we booked our Harmony cruise for next spring.  
 
We all have deep compassion and sincere sympathy for this family.  I feel shaken to my core since first hearing about this tragic incident.   But what I find even more troubling and disturbing is the handling of events since this tragedy occurred. 
The immediate obtaining of their career cruise line litigator and their statements to the media just don't make sense. The claiming not to know the window was open, the hockey glass reference and subsequent released photo, being in the kids water zone when it occurred.  None of it makes sense.   I would have a lot more respect if the Grandfather had said; "I picked up Chloe to look out of the window and she wriggled out of my arms."   This makes sense. Yes, he is absolutely responsible, but we can understand how that would be plausible.  It's a devastating freak accident and we would send our outpouring of love and support to this family and the Grandfather even more so.  I'm sure many of us would gladly donate to a fund set up for the family and in Chloe's memory. My heart is literally breaking over the pain they must feel and will have to live with.
Instead, their refusal to take any responsibility and what feels like false statements pointing the blame at RCI  leaves me with a negative view of the family and an almost defensive feeling towards RCI. 
Toddler Was in ‘Kid’s Water Zone’ When She Fell to Her Death From Cruise Ship in Puerto Rico: Attorney
https://ktla.com/2019/07/09/toddler-was-in-kids-water-zone-when-she-fell-to-her-death-from-cruise-ship-in-puerto-rico-attorney/
This is just so blatantly untrue that it is deeply upsetting.  
 "The girl’s family wants to know why a window that “should have been closed securely” was open. “The family needs answers as to why there would be an open window in a wall full of fixed windows in a kids’ play area? Why would you have the danger without any warning, sign, or notice?” he asked.
Again,  this just feels wrong and untrue on so many levels.  
Winkleman said he will do everything he can to hold the cruise line "accountable for what appears to me to be negligence."
This right here shows his true motives. "Accountable" being as much money from RCI that he can get.  Whether is bending the truth or slandering RCI in the media. This guy appears to have one motive and he is good. 
It is just deeply disturbing to see the family and their lawyer pointing the blame at RCI for a clearly open window among many and it feels wrong to seek to profit off the tragic death of their daughter. I'm in favor of holding corporations responsible for negligence or when they put profits ahead of human safety, but this is not the case.  

I turned on the Today show right in the middle of the Weigand segment and could watch only about a minute of it  . .  . . . obviously WAY too soon for them to be facing the public, emotions very raw (reminded me of how I felt in the days/weeks/months following my daughter's death) and THE LAWYER also appeared in the segment (wow, what publicity for him, how else does a lawyer get on the Today show!!), and I was disgusted and turned it off. But what I heard the mom say was word-for-word what the lawyer had said to the press.
I like to believe he approached them, a cruise ship chaser a/o/t an ambulance chaser, and talked them into this. A legal firm offered to work with me, too, after my daughter was killed, but much, much later . . . . but I didn't go forward with it. And no one pushed ME in front of the public, the newspaper and TV news stories took place without me. Are we a nation of voyeurs? 

Just remember, the news just cares about ratings. This isn't about right or wrong. It's about milking the story to get eyeballs. My advice is don't watch or click.

Hi All,
I'm new to this group, but have been on Freedom and have been following along since we booked our Harmony cruise for next spring.  
 
We all have deep compassion and sincere sympathy for this family.  I feel shaken to my core since first hearing about this tragic incident.   But what I find even more troubling and disturbing is the handling of events since this tragedy occurred. 
The immediate obtaining of their career cruise line litigator and their statements to the media just don't make sense. The claiming not to know the window was open, the hockey glass reference and subsequent released photo, being in the kids water zone when it occurred.  None of it makes sense.   I would have a lot more respect if the Grandfather had said; "I picked up Chloe to look out of the window and she wriggled out of my arms."   This makes sense. Yes, he is absolutely responsible, but we can understand how that would be plausible.  It's a devastating freak accident and we would send our outpouring of love and support to this family and the Grandfather even more so.  I'm sure many of us would gladly donate to a fund set up for the family and in Chloe's memory. My heart is literally breaking over the pain they must feel and will have to live with.
Instead, their refusal to take any responsibility and what feels like false statements pointing the blame at RCI  leaves me with a negative view of the family and an almost defensive feeling towards RCI. 
Toddler Was in ‘Kid’s Water Zone’ When She Fell to Her Death From Cruise Ship in Puerto Rico: Attorney
https://ktla.com/2019/07/09/toddler-was-in-kids-water-zone-when-she-fell-to-her-death-from-cruise-ship-in-puerto-rico-attorney/
This is just so blatantly untrue that it is deeply upsetting.  
 "The girl’s family wants to know why a window that “should have been closed securely” was open. “The family needs answers as to why there would be an open window in a wall full of fixed windows in a kids’ play area? Why would you have the danger without any warning, sign, or notice?” he asked.
Again,  this just feels wrong and untrue on so many levels.  
Winkleman said he will do everything he can to hold the cruise line "accountable for what appears to me to be negligence."
This right here shows his true motives. "Accountable" being as much money from RCI that he can get.  Whether is bending the truth or slandering RCI in the media. This guy appears to have one motive and he is good. 
It is just deeply disturbing to see the family and their lawyer pointing the blame at RCI for a clearly open window among many and it feels wrong to seek to profit off the tragic death of their daughter. I'm in favor of holding corporations responsible for negligence or when they put profits ahead of human safety, but this is not the case.  

Dad?  Is that you?

This is a no win situation for Royal.  The lawyer may have made what appears to be bizarre statements to those of us who know better, but in the court of public opinion,  most people have no idea that those windows are blatantly obvious when open and that it's not in a children's play area.  It's not going to look good if Royal fights this family and I believe the lawyer knows exactly what he's doing to extract the biggest payout.
I can't help but compare this incident to the family who lost their toddler son to an alligator attack at Disney's Grand Floridian and I have the upmost respect for them and how they handled it.  They did not immediately hire a publicity seeking lawyer threatening to sue and demanding answers from Disney through the media.  They quietly worked with Disney to reach a settlement and created a foundation to help children and honor their son's memory.  A stark difference with how this current tragedy is being handled so far, but we all deal with things differently.  

I assume while the ship was docked in San Juan today, the investigators and lawyers did more investigating.  This is probably when Winkelman or his team got their first look at the actual area in question.  I'm looking forward to hearing an update from him saying, "Sorry, my bad.  I realize now how preposterous my theory was."  One can dream.
 

This is a no win situation for Royal.  The lawyer may have made what appears to be bizarre statements to those of us who know better, but in the court of public opinion,  most people have no idea that those windows are blatantly obvious when open and that it's not in a children's play area.  It's not going to look good if Royal fights this family and I believe the lawyer knows exactly what he's doing to extract the biggest payout.
I can't help but compare this incident to the family who lost their toddler son to an alligator attack at Disney's Grand Floridian and I have the upmost respect for them and how they handled it.  They did not immediately hire a publicity seeking lawyer threatening to sue and demanding answers from Disney through the media.  They quietly worked with Disney to reach a settlement and created a foundation to help children and honor their son's memory.  A stark difference with how this current tragedy is being handled so far, but we all deal with things differently.  

This is a no win situation for Royal.  The lawyer may have made what appears to be bizarre statements to those of us who know better, but in the court of public opinion,  most people have no idea that those windows are blatantly obvious when open and that it's not in a children's play area.  It's not going to look good if Royal fights this family and I believe the lawyer knows exactly what he's doing to extract the biggest payout.
I can't help but compare this incident to the family who lost their toddler son to an alligator attack at Disney's Grand Floridian and I have the upmost respect for them and how they handled it.  They did not immediately hire a publicity seeking lawyer threatening to sue and demanding answers from Disney through the media.  They quietly worked with Disney to reach a settlement and created a foundation to help children and honor their son's memory.  A stark difference with how this current tragedy is being handled so far, but we all deal with things differently.  

This is a no win situation for Royal.  The lawyer may have made what appears to be bizarre statements to those of us who know better, but in the court of public opinion,  most people have no idea that those windows are blatantly obvious when open and that it's not in a children's play area.  It's not going to look good if Royal fights this family and I believe the lawyer knows exactly what he's doing to extract the biggest payout.
I can't help but compare this incident to the family who lost their toddler son to an alligator attack at Disney's Grand Floridian and I have the upmost respect for them and how they handled it.  They did not immediately hire a publicity seeking lawyer threatening to sue and demanding answers from Disney through the media.  They quietly worked with Disney to reach a settlement and created a foundation to help children and honor their son's memory.  A stark difference with how this current tragedy is being handled so far, but we all deal with things differently.  

This is a no win situation for Royal.  The lawyer may have made what appears to be bizarre statements to those of us who know better, but in the court of public opinion,  most people have no idea that those windows are blatantly obvious when open and that it's not in a children's play area.  It's not going to look good if Royal fights this family and I believe the lawyer knows exactly what he's doing to extract the biggest payout.
I can't help but compare this incident to the family who lost their toddler son to an alligator attack at Disney's Grand Floridian and I have the upmost respect for them and how they handled it.  They did not immediately hire a publicity seeking lawyer threatening to sue and demanding answers from Disney through the media.  They quietly worked with Disney to reach a settlement and created a foundation to help children and honor their son's memory.  A stark difference with how this current tragedy is being handled so far, but we all deal with things differently.  

This is a no win situation for Royal.  The lawyer may have made what appears to be bizarre statements to those of us who know better, but in the court of public opinion,  most people have no idea that those windows are blatantly obvious when open and that it's not in a children's play area.  It's not going to look good if Royal fights this family and I believe the lawyer knows exactly what he's doing to extract the biggest payout.
I can't help but compare this incident to the family who lost their toddler son to an alligator attack at Disney's Grand Floridian and I have the upmost respect for them and how they handled it.  They did not immediately hire a publicity seeking lawyer threatening to sue and demanding answers from Disney through the media.  They quietly worked with Disney to reach a settlement and created a foundation to help children and honor their son's memory.  A stark difference with how this current tragedy is being handled so far, but we all deal with things differently.  

This is a no win situation for Royal.  The lawyer may have made what appears to be bizarre statements to those of us who know better, but in the court of public opinion,  most people have no idea that those windows are blatantly obvious when open and that it's not in a children's play area.  It's not going to look good if Royal fights this family and I believe the lawyer knows exactly what he's doing to extract the biggest payout.
I can't help but compare this incident to the family who lost their toddler son to an alligator attack at Disney's Grand Floridian and I have the upmost respect for them and how they handled it.  They did not immediately hire a publicity seeking lawyer threatening to sue and demanding answers from Disney through the media.  They quietly worked with Disney to reach a settlement and created a foundation to help children and honor their son's memory.  A stark difference with how this current tragedy is being handled so far, but we all deal with things differently.  

This is a no win situation for Royal.  The lawyer may have made what appears to be bizarre statements to those of us who know better, but in the court of public opinion,  most people have no idea that those windows are blatantly obvious when open and that it's not in a children's play area.  It's not going to look good if Royal fights this family and I believe the lawyer knows exactly what he's doing to extract the biggest payout.
I can't help but compare this incident to the family who lost their toddler son to an alligator attack at Disney's Grand Floridian and I have the upmost respect for them and how they handled it.  They did not immediately hire a publicity seeking lawyer threatening to sue and demanding answers from Disney through the media.  They quietly worked with Disney to reach a settlement and created a foundation to help children and honor their son's memory.  A stark difference with how this current tragedy is being handled so far, but we all deal with things differently.  

This is a no win situation for Royal.  The lawyer may have made what appears to be bizarre statements to those of us who know better, but in the court of public opinion,  most people have no idea that those windows are blatantly obvious when open and that it's not in a children's play area.  It's not going to look good if Royal fights this family and I believe the lawyer knows exactly what he's doing to extract the biggest payout.
I can't help but compare this incident to the family who lost their toddler son to an alligator attack at Disney's Grand Floridian and I have the upmost respect for them and how they handled it.  They did not immediately hire a publicity seeking lawyer threatening to sue and demanding answers from Disney through the media.  They quietly worked with Disney to reach a settlement and created a foundation to help children and honor their son's memory.  A stark difference with how this current tragedy is being handled so far, but we all deal with things differently.  

Hi All,
I'm new to this group, but have been on Freedom and have been following along since we booked our Harmony cruise for next spring.  
 
We all have deep compassion and sincere sympathy for this family.  I feel shaken to my core since first hearing about this tragic incident.   But what I find even more troubling and disturbing is the handling of events since this tragedy occurred. 
The immediate obtaining of their career cruise line litigator and their statements to the media just don't make sense. The claiming not to know the window was open, the hockey glass reference and subsequent released photo, being in the kids water zone when it occurred.  None of it makes sense.   I would have a lot more respect if the Grandfather had said; "I picked up Chloe to look out of the window and she wriggled out of my arms."   This makes sense. Yes, he is absolutely responsible, but we can understand how that would be plausible.  It's a devastating freak accident and we would send our outpouring of love and support to this family and the Grandfather even more so.  I'm sure many of us would gladly donate to a fund set up for the family and in Chloe's memory. My heart is literally breaking over the pain they must feel and will have to live with.
Instead, their refusal to take any responsibility and what feels like false statements pointing the blame at RCI  leaves me with a negative view of the family and an almost defensive feeling towards RCI. 
Toddler Was in ‘Kid’s Water Zone’ When She Fell to Her Death From Cruise Ship in Puerto Rico: Attorney
https://ktla.com/2019/07/09/toddler-was-in-kids-water-zone-when-she-fell-to-her-death-from-cruise-ship-in-puerto-rico-attorney/
This is just so blatantly untrue that it is deeply upsetting.  
 "The girl’s family wants to know why a window that “should have been closed securely” was open. “The family needs answers as to why there would be an open window in a wall full of fixed windows in a kids’ play area? Why would you have the danger without any warning, sign, or notice?” he asked.
Again,  this just feels wrong and untrue on so many levels.  
Winkleman said he will do everything he can to hold the cruise line "accountable for what appears to me to be negligence."
This right here shows his true motives. "Accountable" being as much money from RCI that he can get.  Whether is bending the truth or slandering RCI in the media. This guy appears to have one motive and he is good. 
It is just deeply disturbing to see the family and their lawyer pointing the blame at RCI for a clearly open window among many and it feels wrong to seek to profit off the tragic death of their daughter. I'm in favor of holding corporations responsible for negligence or when they put profits ahead of human safety, but this is not the case.  

Hi All,
I'm new to this group, but have been on Freedom and have been following along since we booked our Harmony cruise for next spring.  
 
We all have deep compassion and sincere sympathy for this family.  I feel shaken to my core since first hearing about this tragic incident.   But what I find even more troubling and disturbing is the handling of events since this tragedy occurred. 
The immediate obtaining of their career cruise line litigator and their statements to the media just don't make sense. The claiming not to know the window was open, the hockey glass reference and subsequent released photo, being in the kids water zone when it occurred.  None of it makes sense.   I would have a lot more respect if the Grandfather had said; "I picked up Chloe to look out of the window and she wriggled out of my arms."   This makes sense. Yes, he is absolutely responsible, but we can understand how that would be plausible.  It's a devastating freak accident and we would send our outpouring of love and support to this family and the Grandfather even more so.  I'm sure many of us would gladly donate to a fund set up for the family and in Chloe's memory. My heart is literally breaking over the pain they must feel and will have to live with.
Instead, their refusal to take any responsibility and what feels like false statements pointing the blame at RCI  leaves me with a negative view of the family and an almost defensive feeling towards RCI. 
Toddler Was in ‘Kid’s Water Zone’ When She Fell to Her Death From Cruise Ship in Puerto Rico: Attorney
https://ktla.com/2019/07/09/toddler-was-in-kids-water-zone-when-she-fell-to-her-death-from-cruise-ship-in-puerto-rico-attorney/
This is just so blatantly untrue that it is deeply upsetting.  
 "The girl’s family wants to know why a window that “should have been closed securely” was open. “The family needs answers as to why there would be an open window in a wall full of fixed windows in a kids’ play area? Why would you have the danger without any warning, sign, or notice?” he asked.
Again,  this just feels wrong and untrue on so many levels.  
Winkleman said he will do everything he can to hold the cruise line "accountable for what appears to me to be negligence."
This right here shows his true motives. "Accountable" being as much money from RCI that he can get.  Whether is bending the truth or slandering RCI in the media. This guy appears to have one motive and he is good. 
It is just deeply disturbing to see the family and their lawyer pointing the blame at RCI for a clearly open window among many and it feels wrong to seek to profit off the tragic death of their daughter. I'm in favor of holding corporations responsible for negligence or when they put profits ahead of human safety, but this is not the case.  

This is why many of us are voicing our thoughts in this thread.  We all have compassion and feel terrible about the loss of life.  If the family hadn't attacked the cruise line with such tenacity refusing to accept any blame or admit it was simply a terrible accident many of us would have remained silent and grieved with them.   

Hi All,
I'm new to this group, but have been on Freedom and have been following along since we booked our Harmony cruise for next spring.  
 
We all have deep compassion and sincere sympathy for this family.  I feel shaken to my core since first hearing about this tragic incident.   But what I find even more troubling and disturbing is the handling of events since this tragedy occurred. 
The immediate obtaining of their career cruise line litigator and their statements to the media just don't make sense. The claiming not to know the window was open, the hockey glass reference and subsequent released photo, being in the kids water zone when it occurred.  None of it makes sense.   I would have a lot more respect if the Grandfather had said; "I picked up Chloe to look out of the window and she wriggled out of my arms."   This makes sense. Yes, he is absolutely responsible, but we can understand how that would be plausible.  It's a devastating freak accident and we would send our outpouring of love and support to this family and the Grandfather even more so.  I'm sure many of us would gladly donate to a fund set up for the family and in Chloe's memory. My heart is literally breaking over the pain they must feel and will have to live with.
Instead, their refusal to take any responsibility and what feels like false statements pointing the blame at RCI  leaves me with a negative view of the family and an almost defensive feeling towards RCI. 
Toddler Was in ‘Kid’s Water Zone’ When She Fell to Her Death From Cruise Ship in Puerto Rico: Attorney
https://ktla.com/2019/07/09/toddler-was-in-kids-water-zone-when-she-fell-to-her-death-from-cruise-ship-in-puerto-rico-attorney/
This is just so blatantly untrue that it is deeply upsetting.  
 "The girl’s family wants to know why a window that “should have been closed securely” was open. “The family needs answers as to why there would be an open window in a wall full of fixed windows in a kids’ play area? Why would you have the danger without any warning, sign, or notice?” he asked.
Again,  this just feels wrong and untrue on so many levels.  
Winkleman said he will do everything he can to hold the cruise line "accountable for what appears to me to be negligence."
This right here shows his true motives. "Accountable" being as much money from RCI that he can get.  Whether is bending the truth or slandering RCI in the media. This guy appears to have one motive and he is good. 
It is just deeply disturbing to see the family and their lawyer pointing the blame at RCI for a clearly open window among many and it feels wrong to seek to profit off the tragic death of their daughter. I'm in favor of holding corporations responsible for negligence or when they put profits ahead of human safety, but this is not the case.