LizzyBee23

And NCL just announced it's selling another 200 million in shares.

We just cancelled our April booking with NCL and rebooked with RCL in may. Of course, we also just cancelled a recent sailing with RCL. At this point, we're just laying our chips on whoever will deliver on a return to relative normalcy the quickest.

Yeah... That reads to me like vaccines will be required for young ones in a few months. Not great. Interested to see what this does for passengers from other countries. The EMA isn't likely to approve a pediatric vaccine.

We haven't spoken to our pediatrician yet, but don't plan for our kids to be early adopters. Cancelled one recent cruise already over the fact that kids are only half welcome onboard, and our next (now first) one as a family is at the end of May. Thing 1 will have just turned 5 for that one, so we're definitely staying tuned.

I think the date being so far out may be to signify two things: 1.) the mandates are here to stay, and 2.) a shot across the bow about a future date for pediatric vaccine requirements.

Do these limitations apply to ports in Alaska as well? I guess if I try to reason into it, since the guidance is trying to minimize cases onboard the ship, I suppose it would. On the other hand, we're all US citizens, so it seems strange.

I think most ships sailing with vaccine requirements right now are pretty much at 95%, aren't they? That was one of my takeaways from the latest CDC report.

Huh? How does NCL get away with it?

Most sailings are already over the 95% threshold iirc

I can't imagine subjecting kids to the current requirements onboard while other options remain essentially restriction-free. We're an 11/1 cancellation as a direct result of the continued madness, if anyone's looking for one of the spacious panoramic oceanviews on Indy.

Yeah, for most of the country it is. Which is why we're electing to cancel. We can have a completely normal vacation in Florida (or pretty much anywhere now) and not have to worry about our kids being treated like disease vectors. We'll try again in April, but honestly not optimistic at this point.

Masking has already become a class issue (see the MOMA spectacle for a recent example here) and part of the reason I sincerely oppose mask mandates for anyone, crew included. @Canadian-Cruiser is committing the same type of logical fallacy. Because an injustice is being committed on the basis of flimsy (at best) science and is forcing the crew to mask at the behest of a corporation catering to the whims of scared passengers, then we should all do it too. The problem is with the requirement in the first place.

The question that should follow this attitude is would the crew care about the way passengers behave if they weren't required to quarantine as a result of a close contact? The crew member you're talking about is committing the false choice logical fallacy. If they really hate quarantine, the anger should be directed at the protocol which requires quarantine of presumably healthy people (like her), not the fact that a passenger triggered it (and let's not even get started on our ability to predict which behavior may have resulted in the original passenger(s) catching the virus). The more likely thing is that you stumbled upon some latent nationalistic or other prejudicial attitude being expressed by someone who thought they'd have a friendly ear in you.

This sounds like (I've decided it actually is) cruelty. Honestly, we're out. Calling to cancel our 11/1 cruise. Edit: honestly we've been on the fence about it for a while, moreso in recent weeks as the language around the pandemic has started to ramp back up, despite reality for most of us reflecting something much different. I'm not going to go on a vacation that treats my kids like criminals to satisfy the fears of adults, but this is more the last straw than anything else.

Cruising on 11/1. Sad day.

60k??! May as well be a cruise to the moon for most of us.

Not really surprising, but disappointing all the same.

Short of a "cruise" to the moon, I'm not sure the "once in a lifetime" will live up to expectations.

Yes, by virtue of the fact that our case rates are wildly different.

Not an appropriate metaphor... No one is talking about parking every vehicle in the country over the risk associated with driving. And we as citizens of a democracy have a direct responsibility for shaping public policy... If politicians are framing the public health choices in a way that isn't palatable to most of us given our own assessment of the risk, it's our job to let them know that, irrespective of the obvious truth that RCL has to play by the rules.

Indeed. 1/4 of a person isn't vaccinated. He must have an alter-ego.

Same. Trying to decide how many more times I can refresh my email before it becomes pathological.

Well firetruck. Looks like I didn't luck out.

Ha, true. I'm just curious why they would do this again, and specifically call it a sweepstakes instead of the general call like last time. Another thought that occurred to me was that it has been a while since the last call happened... Maybe they're essentially trying to refresh the list of the willing to make sure they get a good response rate.

I'm interested if they can write off more than just the actual cost of running the test cruise as an expense. Can they use the ARV?