deButler Posted January 25, 2023 Report Share Posted January 25, 2023 Just got off of Radiance and was sorely disappointed to find that they had removed their Craps Table. In talking to the Casino Host she indicated that when they were “Down Under” for a while cruising Australia that they “did not need it”. Not sure if it was due to local laws there or just no one was playing. I believe they may have swapped it out for another Roulette table as we had 2 of those in a smaller sized casino and usually only one of them was opened. We primarily just resorted to slot play this time but I much prefer the action around the craps table. I am now trying to make sure not to repeat this experience and wondered if there are any detailed lists available anywhere showing the actual tables in the onboard casino? The Club Royal site shows the number of tables and slot machines onboard each ship on the Casino Host list but that’s as far as it goes. Are there others that have sailed on other Ships that also did not feature a Craps Table in their casino? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobroo Posted January 26, 2023 Report Share Posted January 26, 2023 Grandeur also does not have a craps table. deButler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilandSteff Posted January 26, 2023 Report Share Posted January 26, 2023 Well.... crap! I'm getting on Radiance in three weeks and was looking forward to playing the tables with friends. deButler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisingNewb Posted January 26, 2023 Report Share Posted January 26, 2023 The dynamics of a casino has changed so much over the years. I am originally from Vegas and my father was in casino management (over 50 years) from the Frank Rosenthal days. My father used to say that in order for a casino to be profitable, it needs 2 Baccarat tables and at least 1 craps table. All other table games are unnecessary. Keep in mind that was early 70's to mid-80s perspective. Now, penny slots are huge and generate unbelievable revenue. Black Jack is a funny game because at first blush, the math tells you its the least amount of risk for the player. But black jack tables often charge a commission and have a house edge. Meaning, over time, the casino makes money. Because the initial math makes the game attractive to players, they tend to play longer and then father time kicks their asses. Funny thing about craps, I have never in my life seen a true casino without a craps table. deButler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deButler Posted January 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2023 5 hours ago, PhilandSteff said: Well.... crap! I'm getting on Radiance in three weeks and was looking forward to playing the tables with friends. The casino host said they have been lobbying the powers that be in Miami to put it back so maybe they do it on the one repositioning day they have next week when they move the ship from New Orleans to Galveston. I wouldn’t bet my cruise bankroll on it though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deButler Posted January 26, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2023 38 minutes ago, CruisingNewb said: The dynamics of a casino has changed so much over the years. I am originally from Vegas and my father was in casino management (over 50 years) from the Frank Rosenthal days. My father used to say that in order for a casino to be profitable, it needs 2 Baccarat tables and at least 1 craps table. All other table games are unnecessary. Keep in mind that was early 70's to mid-80s perspective. Now, penny slots are huge and generate unbelievable revenue. Black Jack is a funny game because at first blush, the math tells you its the least amount of risk for the player. But black jack tables often charge a commission and have a house edge. Meaning, over time, the casino makes money. Because the initial math makes the game attractive to players, they tend to play longer and then father time kicks their asses. Funny thing about craps, I have never in my life seen a true casino without a craps table. Yep. Times have definitely changed in the casino too. The craps table energy usually feeds the rest of the house and keeps things moving. It was very quiet late nights on our cruise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisingNewb Posted January 26, 2023 Report Share Posted January 26, 2023 3 hours ago, deButler said: Yep. Times have definitely changed in the casino too. The craps table energy usually feeds the rest of the house and keeps things moving. It was very quiet late nights on our cruise. Absolutely! That is why (especially on cruises) the craps table is smack dab in the middle if not front of the casino. Nothing beats the excitement level of a craps table...until I do the walk of shame with pockets inside out. deButler and WAAAYTOOO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowler Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 It's understandable that they took the Craps table off the ship if it's cruising Australia. There are VERY few Craps tables in Australian casinos, with just one or two in the larger ones and none at all in the smaller casinos. It's just not a game played by Aussies, mainly due to very few people understand it. Asian casinos are similar... deButler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TexanTwoStep Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 On 1/26/2023 at 4:22 AM, PhilandSteff said: Well.... crap! I'm getting on Radiance in three weeks and was looking forward to playing the tables with friends. More like..... .... no crap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cakemeister Posted January 30, 2023 Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 On 1/26/2023 at 9:32 AM, deButler said: The casino host said they have been lobbying the powers that be in Miami to put it back so maybe they do it on the one repositioning day they have next week when they move the ship from New Orleans to Galveston. I wouldn’t bet my cruise bankroll on it though I hope so, I'm sailing on her on the 18th. Craps is my favorite casino game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deButler Posted January 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 5 hours ago, Cakemeister said: I hope so, I'm sailing on her on the 18th. Craps is my favorite casino game. Let us know after you get back of any updates. Being based in Galveston for a while we might look to get another chance to sail it hopefully with a comp trip next time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deButler Posted January 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2023 17 hours ago, Bowler said: It's understandable that they took the Craps table off the ship if it's cruising Australia. There are VERY few Craps tables in Australian casinos, with just one or two in the larger ones and none at all in the smaller casinos. It's just not a game played by Aussies, mainly due to very few people understand it. Asian casinos are similar... I kind of figured that might be the case from how the Casino Host referred to sailing out of Australia. Will also have to keep that in mind as the wife would like to hit some of the Asian itineraries. Thanks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bowler Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 7 hours ago, deButler said: I kind of figured that might be the case from how the Casino Host referred to sailing out of Australia. Will also have to keep that in mind as the wife would like to hit some of the Asian itineraries. Thanks.. I suspect you'll be able to find a craps table on an Asian area ship, but typical land casinos in Macau, Singapore etc are wall to wall baccarat tables and slots. Craps is just not viable for Asian/Australian casinos given it takes 4 dealers (3 + 1 on break) and a Supervisor to run the game and generally sits in a quiet corner of the casino with no customers because few know how to play it. That's a shame because as noted above, it's a game which can get the crowd going and keep them entertained. Before retiring back to Australia just over 12 months ago I worked at Resorts World Sentosa in Singapore which was comfortably inside the worlds Top 10 casinos based on GGR and we had a grand total of ZERO craps tables in the whole casino... deButler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deButler Posted January 31, 2023 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 12 hours ago, Bowler said: I suspect you'll be able to find a craps table on an Asian area ship, but typical land casinos in Macau, Singapore etc are wall to wall baccarat tables and slots. Craps is just not viable for Asian/Australian casinos given it takes 4 dealers (3 + 1 on break) and a Supervisor to run the game and generally sits in a quiet corner of the casino with no customers because few know how to play it. That's a shame because as noted above, it's a game which can get the crowd going and keep them entertained. Before retiring back to Australia just over 12 months ago I worked at Resorts World Sentosa in Singapore which was comfortably inside the worlds Top 10 casinos based on GGR and we had a grand total of ZERO craps tables in the whole casino... Everyone has their favorite games they’d rather play and if they aren’t familiar with how to play craps then it’s on to something else. When it comes to the house operation it all starts with $$. Thanks for the insights. Bowler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomSlayer Posted January 31, 2023 Report Share Posted January 31, 2023 On 1/26/2023 at 3:39 AM, bobroo said: Grandeur also does not have a craps table. Since when? I was on Grandeur last September and there was a craps table. I remember it extremely well because a craps player was shouting, screaming, getting physical with the pit boss, and refusing to leave. He was cheating by sliding dice and told he was not welcome in the casino anymore. Only time I have personally seen security have to physically detain anyone on a cruise. deButler and WAAAYTOOO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avfrattner Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 Sorry to here, that sucks....I love the craps and I wish Australian casinos had them still! They had craps on OVTS Jan 4th 23 and it was always fun/busy and had great atmosphere around it. Absolutely stupid that they took it off because of "Australians" Quite a lot of us. Australians really loved the craps table and we all learnt off of each other and had a great time. Not sure why they would do that but post COVID! What makes more money slot machines, roulette with double zero or craps? Who knows. deButler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoomSlayer Posted February 1, 2023 Report Share Posted February 1, 2023 5 hours ago, Avfrattner said: What makes more money slot machines, roulette with double zero or craps? Who knows. Slot machines definitely make the casino the most money out of those choices. That is why slot players are given the most points in the Casino Royale program. deButler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cakemeister Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 On 1/30/2023 at 2:38 PM, deButler said: Let us know after you get back of any updates. Being based in Galveston for a while we might look to get another chance to sail it hopefully with a comp trip next time. I confirmed no craps table on the 2-18-23 cruise on Radiance. deButler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoobCruise Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 I wonder.... no hope, that there is a craps table on Wonder that is active. I was sad to see the craps table empty on oasis last may. It might have come alive at midnight or past my bedtime but it was not functional during my waking hours. so sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted February 19, 2023 Report Share Posted February 19, 2023 Craps is one of those games that’s either “waaay on” or “waaay off” on any given cruise. It’s much the same with regular Texas Hold ‘Em. Either the crowd is playing or they aren’t. Nothing more exciting than a hoppin’ craps table with lots of energy and enthusiasm but if the craps crowd isn’t on board, it will lie dormant. We used to have a big group that cruised together and we always lit up the craps table when we sailed. So much fun. deButler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deButler Posted February 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Cakemeister said: I confirmed no craps table on the 2-18-23 cruise on Radiance. Thanks for updating us @Cakemeister. Hopefully the replace a table soon since ROTS should remain at U.S. ports for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deButler Posted February 20, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 20, 2023 3 hours ago, WAAAYTOOO said: Craps is one of those games that’s either “waaay on” or “waaay off” on any given cruise. It’s much the same with regular Texas Hold ‘Em. Either the crowd is playing or they aren’t. Nothing more exciting than a hoppin’ craps table with lots of energy and enthusiasm but if the craps crowd isn’t on board, it will lie dormant. We used to have a big group that cruised together and we always lit up the craps table when we sailed. So much fun. Hoping we have good interest on our TA in 2 weeks on SOTS. We’ll have to make sure our “celebrity casino host” @CHRIS WONG amps up the Craps Play and gets us plenty of playing time. I’m hoping to complete my Prime on this trip. WAAAYTOOO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrabKlawz Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 @bobrooI was on the grandeur 10-14-22 out of Galveston and there was 1 craps table on the ship. It didn't open till 6pm which was a bummer for the early morning people but it was there. deButler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brdjnr Posted February 23, 2023 Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 On Mariner a couple years ago a guy was giving the craps dealer all kinds of grief because the odds were like 1x. He was acting as though that dealer set the odds for the table. I'd never seen a table (and I have seen my share) with 1x odds. I didnt play much and that was part of the reason. Heck they had a $5 single zero roulette table running later that night, once the double zero tables overflowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deButler Posted February 23, 2023 Author Report Share Posted February 23, 2023 38 minutes ago, brdjnr said: On Mariner a couple years ago a guy was giving the craps dealer all kinds of grief because the odds were like 1x. He was acting as though that dealer set the odds for the table. I'd never seen a table (and I have seen my share) with 1x odds. I didnt play much and that was part of the reason. Heck they had a $5 single zero roulette table running later that night, once the double zero tables overflowed. LOL. Yep. Ships are known for low odds all over the casino. And what many folks don’t realize is that they won’t use an odds bet as part of your comps calculations. brdjnr 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
louis Posted April 6, 2023 Report Share Posted April 6, 2023 Still no craps table on radiance?? I leave in 10 days and i usually bring 10k on carnival just for craps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kruise Posted April 23, 2023 Report Share Posted April 23, 2023 Is there still no craps table on Radiance? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gamblergirl Posted May 11, 2023 Report Share Posted May 11, 2023 Does the Voyager of the seas have a craps table? I heard they just recently put one on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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