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Here is one wording: Guests are strongly recommended to set sail fully vaccinated, if they are eligible. Those who are unvaccinated or unable to verify vaccination will be required to undergo testing and follow other protocols, which will be announced at a later date. And here is the wording linked above by @Galveston Steve: Guests are strongly recommended to set sail fully vaccinated, if they are eligible. Those who are unvaccinated or unable to show proof of vaccination will receive a test before boarding.

Interesting. The same thing is quoted in another thread, and it mentions "further health and safety protocols to be announced later." But the page you linked is very clear that US sailings aside from Alaska will not require the vaccine. My question is...which posting is the updated/accurate one?

Now the judge will have to make a decision. Anyone know any ETA on this? I saw that Royal expected it soon...soon has kind of become my least favorite word in the last year. ?

Whether or not they were false positives, they were all asymptomatic. Or as we would have called them pre-2020, healthy. ? But yes. The news will jump all over it.

I think your analysis is right, Neesa. And I suspect they'll default to the CWC option if you want to back out. I think it's a little ridiculous to mandate vaccines for low risk children.

I think Matt has been meeting with the CDC secretly for months and has almost convinced them that cruises should be a go again. His persistence is what got us here!

Great news! Now let's get this CSO out of the way!

Mediation will go nowhere. CDC will never admit that they made a mistake, and will just slowly release updates while talking about following the science. Florida will not give way on the fact that cruise lines cannot sail under the current CSO. I think meditation by both parties may be more effective than mediation. ?

I don't know if vaccination requirements will actually make a huge difference. Vaccines work, I'm not debating that. But a majority of high risk (65+) in the US have received the vaccine, and at events I have seen photos of with masses of unmasked people with no vaccination requirement (Texas Rangers game, anyone), there have been no headlines AFTER the event about it being a "superspreader." Plenty of headlines before, but you KNOW that if there were cases traced back to that event, it would have made national headlines. I think a "take responsibility for your own health" approach could work, much as many retail stores are rolling out. The only big difference, I think, is that Target doesn't have to test all their customers for COVID. Currently, cruise lines do, which leads to headlines and liability.

Thank you for the clarification. In this case though, one of the children is a bully and the other child is contrite and just wants to go outside and play, but the bully won't let him.

According to the link, the terminal for Disney would be just east of Terminal J on the south side of the island.

Same. To me, mediation sounds like, "Let's all sit in a room and talk it out." But I'm guessing that's not it at all.

These updates have been so incremental that my expectations are low. What will it be, we only have to wear masks between bites if we are NOT chewing now? Maybe hot tub distancing will drop from six feet to five feet? Maybe our majestic CDC overlords will allow us an extra person in the theater!

Things are not looking too good for the CDC here...but looking better and better for us!

Life at the house of the CDC family: Celebrating the 10 year old's 100th birthday. Wearing a gas mask while sleeping in case of fire. Ensuring that everyone sleeps for 80 hours a night. Walking for ten hours instead of driving to reduce risk. Cooking all red meat to 1600 degrees. Essentially, just the most risk-averse and numerically illiterate household possible!

I don't know, that data is from the CDC. Can we trust it to be accurate? Did they round down those 2189 outbreaks from 218,900? So many questions? ?

Someone give them a free cruise! Once you cruise once you're pretty hooked, in my experience!

Or dropped if it was unambiguous bad news. I would like to go by the mantra, "No news is good news." At least for now!

These are definitely steps in the right direction, but I agree that these are baby steps. I'm afraid that by the time we end up at a reasonable place, at this glacial rate of change, it may be 2023 before things are back to normal.

Critical thinking/wisdom, is sadly hard to find these days. Many people are happy to regurgitate what they hear with no comprehension and understanding. The stalwart cruisers, those on this forum, will still cruise regardless of what the media says (I imagine something about a 3000% increase in onboard cases, while in reality, it was from 0 cases to 1 case, and it was a false positive). But the general cruising public may be dissuaded from cruising through headlines, thus cruise leadership has to step particularly carefully.

I have an August Mardis Gras sailing and while not cancelled, all sailings for Mardis Gras have disappeared from Carnival's website through October.

Continuing this to its ludicrous conclusion, when the mask is removed for a bite, you have one hand holding each string. So you must have a sterile bag to place the mask in, and ideally someone dedicated to mask handling (obviously with their own mask and gloves) to place said mask into a sanitary ziploc bag of some kind, and to remove said mask from the bag when the bite is complete. Even if one transfers the mask to one hand, how much time will it take to place the mask back in the bag, and remove it again once (fully masked) chewing is complete? The CDC is a joke.

Exactly. Any cruises under the existing CSO will be at minimum a few months from now, filled with insane restrictions, and likely poorly attended. Anyone will be able to cancel under CWC (if it's extended), and even besides that for other cruise lines, people who don't like the insane regulations can just claim to be vaccinated and get a refund (regardless of actual vaccination status. If we can see that tomorrow is our only hope, I'm sure the cruise lines can see the writing on the wall as well. I'm hopeful, but not convinced that tomorrow will be the day.

I think the cruise lines may be putting not all their eggs, but a majority of them into the "May 12th" basket.

This could be a great comedy/parody video. Unfortunately...it's reality.