alamode123

My point was you can't scientifically know one way or the other which is safer, because you can't get similar data to compare. Feeling safer, guessing it would be safer etc. isn't scientific.

The infection rates are measured differently on land and on a ship. On a ship, it's generally the total population that is calculated, hence the 1%. On land, it's the percentage TESTED, not the total population. If you're going with the scientific experiment theme, it's best to be accurate and compare apples to apples. On a percent of the entire population, ships and on land, the popular data isn't data isn't really what it seems.

That's what I have through work. It only covers actual medical expenses, not quarantine hotel costs etc,.

Yesterday there was a new travel advisory by the Canadian government. Just wondering what people are doing if anything? I'm 30 days away from my cruise and panicking.

So the reassignment counts, just not the Royal up? I think it's still worth the $400 bid for a Jr suite from a balcony room, extra points or not.

I originally booked a solo cabin for 8 nights on Odyssey on Jan 15th, 2022. Because of Royal's double points promotion, I should get 16 points. Royal then moved my cabin for COVID re-assignment to a regular balcony room (not solo room). Do I now get 32 points? If my Royal Up comes through, I'll be a solo person in a Jr suite. Will I now get 48 points?

I just put in my first ever Royal Up bid. Never heard of it before this thread. It could be dangerous to my pocketbook.

So the tests are done the day before you disembark? That makes me feel better. 8 nights solo in a Jr suite on Odyssey. I can't wait.

Wondering how the whole PCR test thing works for Canadians coming home. Is a 2pm flight home in Ft Lauderdale ok, or do I need to change to a later flight?

I rebooked Coco Cay $89, soda package $6, photo package $129 and a few others for two upcoming cruises. Saved around $400 from what i already booked.

Just got my cabin moved this morning.

I got my email the same day as everyone else, but still haven't been reassigned. Strange.

This isn't the place to discuss protocol effectiveness. PM me if you want to know stats on various effectiveness. Looks like you'll be surprised.

Not exactly a scientific definition of effectiveness. More like protocols you like or don't like. Contact tracing via the new bands is also very important. I've received one of the new cabin emails. I'm in a wait and see attitude. Better than cancelling cruises.

I pick the South Beach area near Lincoln Road on Priceline. They give you a choice of 3 or 4 hotels, but so far, I've loved every one they've picked. Saves a lot of $$$.

Check to see if your local airport is listed here. https://switchhealth.ca/en/travel/travel-clinics/

I saw two Carnival ships crash together in Cozumel.

Technically you are right, but nothing in life is 100 percent. And 95 percent is pretty damn close. Breakthrough cases are those 5 percent, and as more people are vaccinated, you will see more vaccinated people become positive. But the rate is now steady. There is no good reason not to get vaccinated, unless you are medically unable to do so. Even then, mRNA vaccines were created partially to reduce vaccine allergies. The current rate is around 2 people per million. Bottom line, to make cruising as safe as possible,, everyone who can get vaccinated should.

Aren't all cruises going to the US Virgin islands vaccine only?

People laughing at someone trying to educate? That's just sad. Especially from someone probably less educated on the topic. I'm trying to inform people of the facts. I'm not here to be ridiculed. Again, if you have questions, ask. It's easy to make fun of things you don't understand, but it's better to ask and learn.

That's because it's been proven that natural immunity ISN'T as effective, unfortunately. The antibody titer is 10 to 20 times less than vaccinated people after 90 days.

Wrong. The covid vaccines are currently 85 to 95 percent effective in preventing covid infection. Unfortunately, there's a lot of misinformation out there.

I accept science, as I have a degree in molecular genetics and molecular immunology. Vaccines and masks are the best way to prevent covid. There ARE no other successful forms of protection. No one yet knows how long natural immunity lasts, but the antibody titer(amount) is at least ten to twenty times (not percent, times) less as those who have been fully vaccinated. The reason that vaccinated people are getting infected is because, even though it's the most effective vaccine created, it's only 85 to 95 percent effective at preventing infections. With that, the more people vaccinated, the more likely there will be vaccinated people that become positive in the population. For example, in a population with 2 million people at 50 percent vaccination. If every person was exposed, only 50,000 vaccinated people would become infected vs a million unvaccinated. Raise the vaccination rate to 90 percent for the same 2 million example. You now have 200.000 unvaccinated positives and 95.000 vaccinated infected. Now the total infected is less, but the percent of the infected that are vaccinated is higher. Again, trust the science. If you have any questions, please ask.

Fair enough. I feel bad for people trying to be responsible in areas where it seems so many aren't being responsible

Why not Canada? I think we're over 80 percent.