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Good on NCL for not dragging their customers along when their sailings were less than 30 days out.

14 hours ago, Larsen said:

That’s because most of our society doesn’t give a crap about anything but themselves   Self centered me first whiny babies    
 

You are correct, the boomers were known as the "Me" generation. We have, and continue to see this play out constantly in everyday life.

38 minutes ago, shaydav19 said:

Cruises from USA cancelled through 12/31/20

I mean, I wish, but this simply isn't true 

1 hour ago, rtread said:

. I don't know anything about these ports (except I know Natalie Hollaway disappeared on Aruba).

22 minutes ago, DunwoodyDad said:

I wonder if the meeting in DC is still on today given what’s going on....

It would be pretty hypocritical to change how they've been operating now

13 minutes ago, Zacharius said:

 

1 hour ago, Zacharius said:

Yes, yes, but have you tried good pizza??

 

#Chicago4Life

That's not pizza, that's pizza casserole 

4 minutes ago, JeffB said:

?????? I would think you'd understand that is part of the plan to play football safely. There are other examples besides that particular college game where a contest has been cancelled. MLB and the NFL are examples and both of those organizations have partial, not complete bubbling protocols. It's just not practical to completely bubble but you can reduce risks to the players, coaches and staffs with layered approaches that do contain some aspects of a complete bubble.

The cruise industry has NEVER said we can eliminate all risks of a passenger or crew member or baggage porter or terminal personnel from getting infected completely but we can reduce that risk significantly and in the event one of those people does become infected, we can identify them, isolate them and contract trace in effective ways.

 

 

A fifth of the team contracted it, don't say idiocy won out because you hate liberal areas. They're are no hard protocols  for what happens if someone contracts the virus yet on a ship.

4 minutes ago, JeffB said:

 

College Football is a prime example. Logic and reason prevailed in the SEC, ACC and Big12 while idiocy prevailed in the BIG10 and PAC10. 

Hey Alexa, how many unpaid football players tested positive at Wake Forest (leading to a cancelled game, ACC school) this past weekend?

8 minutes ago, AshleyDillo said:

This is a good point.  Then even if they do one ship per day, what happens when a ship does end up with someone testing positive?  Do they contract trace and find out that person visited CocoCay and thus any subsequent ship that visited CocoCay was potentially exposed via interaction with the CocoCay staff? 

If they truly expect to operate a ship in a bubble as much as possible, even only visiting private islands can pop the bubble if it isn't done correctly.  

IMO it's impossible to create a perfect bubble, so the only thing to do is to try to eliminate as much of the risk as possible. 

It's not even remotely a bubble. The only way it would be a bubble is if everyone on that ship were locked down for 14 days together in the same places, and then boarded with no outside interaction. That 5 day prior test doesn't do a damn thing when you pick up the virus at miami international, and then show symptoms on days 5/6

5 minutes ago, nate91 said:

And they remained open, and are now having their lowest deaths since June. My point is that the CDC is essentially playing favorites while saying they are protecting us, but it's pretty hard to believe them right now.

One employees an entire state, the other is a leisure activity. Go scroll back in reddit/las vegas, the citizens were pissed when they reopened,  and the workers did feel safe.

2 minutes ago, nate91 said:

Trying to leave politics out of it, but simply by comparison, restricting cruises now, and especially until February, makes no sense. I think Vegas is the closest land based approximation of a cruise. 

- Trying to keep people in a small bubble (the Strip)

- Casinos, fine dining, hotel rooms

- Visiting different destinations during the day but returning to home base at night

- Live shows (currently closed in Vegas due to COVID, but scheduled to return in November.)

 

Vegas is open (with restrictions like social distancing and masks). I see no reason that is not politically motivated for either 

A. It's not dangerous. Cruises can reopen like Vegas, Walt Disney World, etc.

B. It's too dangerous. Cruises should stay closed, and Vegas, Disney World, theme parks, need to close down as well.

Having said that, my trust that the CDC is doing this out of goodwill for our safety is very low. 

vegas's reopening saw an enormous spike in cases 2 weeks after the fact

17 minutes ago, TXcruzer said:

Tragic, but not the fault of RCG

#hailcorporate

23 minutes ago, Matt said:

There isn't much other choice. This isn't a space shuttle launch, it's a cruise.

If you're booked on a cruise in November and feel uncomfortable with where things are, you should absolutely Lift and Shift or take 100% FCC and defer your cruise a few months until it's clearer. There is unprecedented flexibility offered right now that no one who feels this is a "fire drill" should have to wait it out.

Casino Royale is not offering  nearly as much flexibility, i have tried 3 different times, working with 3 different people, and all they can do is give a future credit, which does nothing at those rates, when you consider how high future sailings are priced at. 

35 minutes ago, Matt said:

General consensus right now is to wait it out until we get closer and see what Royal Caribbean says in terms of what will be necessary.  A lot can change in the next month.

Welcome to the message boards, @mcdonaldbarbara!

With all due respect, how much closer can you get? First cruise leaves in 33 days, so most have to leave in 32, which means testing is about 27 days out, and that's if you can get into a testing facility on the time and date you desire, and your results aren't delayed, or show a false positive, requiring a new test. How is this fire drill feasible?

9 minutes ago, AshleyDillo said:

If this is something that you are seriously sweating for any/all of the reasons you mentioned, that's where Cruise with Confidence comes into play.  Take the FCC and use it on a future sailing when things are more certain and there is less of a chance that you will be inconvenienced by last minute changes, restrictions, or cancellations.  

I have a casino rate, the FCC wouldn't get me far with the high rates they have in the future. They won't let me lift and shift, so I definitely would like to know where they stand, so I can free up $$$ that I have invested in flights, hotels, drink/dining packages, and excursions.

11 minutes ago, SpeedNoodles said:

That moment when you want to reply to this statement, but have to behave....

Reply, it's the internet, or just DM me.

This is a fantastic point, RCL cannot continue to leave us with these unanswered questions, with sailings due to start in 30 days 

My thoughts are that they treated this like a college student who wrote their term paper the night before.  More questions than answers, and literally just made bullet points of obvious protocols, like masks and social distancing. They put on a dog and pony show, and RCL fanboys lapped it up. How about you let us know about November? My sailing is about 40 days away, and I have no clue if it's going out or not. Do I need to be looking at getting tested a week before? If so, I need to take an additional day of of work to do so. When is the cutoff point for them canceling? Is it while I'm at the airport? Shame on them for dragging people along like this. If you don't have answers 30 days prior, then you do right by your customers and cancel.

Just gonna leave this here. Crew on first post-lockdown Greek cruise contract coronavirus

1 hour ago, twangster said:

In reference to the "Safety Guarantee" reading the article it's not clear what "guarantee" she was referring to.  She was in the middle of reviewing an excursion from the ship.  

In the past if did your own thing at a port of call and missed the ship's departure you were responsible for any and all costs to continue your vacation from there, the ship won't wait for you.  When you book an excursion through the cruise line and the excursion returns late the ship will wait or they will pay the costs to reunite you with the ship.  They don't guarantee you'll enjoy the excursion, just your return to the ship.  Perhaps this is the "safety" she was referring to that comes with being required to take a ship excursion.

Given that the writer is Italian writing about a cruise in Italy it's possible the "guarantee" reference doesn't mean what it would to someone here in America.  She uses the word in another sentence in reference to the buffet:

"The waiters, in addition to face masks, wear gloves while preparing the dishes. An additional guarantee."

As we know wearing gloves doesn't eliminate any or all risk.  Gloves are a step towards mitigation but stop well short of eliminating all risk.  I don't think the cruise line is guaranteeing a guest has zero chance of becoming infecting, the writer chose a word that carries a different meaning in this part of the world.  

Yeah,  the glove thing is going to be nearly impossible.  There is a major glove shortage right now, and distributors can't get their hands on any. Our restaurant is suffering because of it, my friends bio lab is feeling the effects, RCL is crazy if they think they'll get them ahead of hospitals, too

33 minutes ago, TXcruzer said:

Marginally.  It is a very sad story with a very unfortunate outcome; but there should be no expectation that this type of illness to be successfully diagnosed and treated on a cruise ship. Sorry, but just sensationalist click bait. 

Then maybe they should improve the health services on boats that carry small cities. Imagine if we had to rely on them to identify something like a virus? Wait...

5 minutes ago, TXcruzer said:

Seems like J.W. has a new ghost account. 

Is this not news?

22 minutes ago, SpeedNoodles said:

I'm not blaming the family at all, but what would lead them to this belief?  Did they think they were sailing on Mayo Clinic of the Seas?  "“We were always under the impression that the medical facilities and staff on a ship were world class and world leading."

If I was traveling on the most well known cruise line, I would expect competent doctors, not butchers.  RCL loves to flaunt it's world class facility and staff, why does medical fall outside of those parameters?

yikes, definitely going to avoid going to their doctor at all costs.