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1 hour ago, Texas cruiser said:

As for everything else we will agree to disagree and hope things get back to some sort of normal asap.

Agreed.

Now back on point.  Anthem is not on the books for 2020 or 2021.

2 hours ago, AshleyDillo said:

I was actually wondering if perhaps that presentation bullet point that we're all basing this rumor of Anthem on was a mistake and they meant to say Allure -- that they were going to look into whether Terminal 2 could accept her.

Kind of laughing here. We can all recall the IT oops $18 pp/pd DBP.  I would hope and think that RCL would believe in the saying:

Spit on me 1x shame on you, 2x shame on me.  

I seriously can't see them not checking, double checking, triple checking from the RCL side!

The way I read what Matt posted is that RCL did not say it would send Anthem, but the PORT of GALVESTON stated that the Head Engineer worked with RCL on the POSSIBILITIES of Anthem coming to Galveston.  Key here this is the Port of Galveston saying it. not RCL.  They cannot control what the Port of Galveston says publicly.

•  The port is saying that they talked to RCL about the possibility of receiving Anthem at Terminal 2.
•  RCL booking wise does not show Anthem through spring 2021 in Texas. Nor any announcement of her going there.  
• Look deeper into what Galveston was saying.  It is incredibly vague.  The head engineer stated nothing more than worked with RCL about possibilities.  Galveston did not say they talked to RCL and they agreed that they will be sending a Quantum or Oasis class to Galveston. 

It just said, this is a re-cap for April, and people jumped on it that it was a done deal.

FWIW, I am not a huge Anthem fan.  Her moving to TX is no sweat off of my back, sailed her 2x.  It might be an amazing ROI for their company bc I bet many will flock in that area to be able to sail out of TX on a Quantum ship.  If I am correct they have not had a Quantum ship yet.  New product, and the ship is still considered new.  RCL will be fine as long as they keep an Oasis class in NJ.  

1 hour ago, Texas cruiser said:

You are missing a very important point. You have 25+ million people that are within driving distance to Galveston which is why it will be one of the first to open and why RCCL is building their own terminal.

It not about distance as it is itinerary options as to why more sailing go to COCO Cay from NJ/NY than Galveston. Royal has limited options out of the northern ports, so that is why more sailing go there than Galveston. 

I do think that royal is making a huge mistake not sailing more cruises from Galveston to COCO Cay and the Bahamas....I really think it has to do with not wanting to disrupt the Florida market as they get a lot of travelers from all over the US and especially the west coast. I think things will change once terminal 3 is completed. 

My last response.  I am chiming out after this.  I will read your response, but will not bite. We just need to agree to disagree.

1. 25+ Million.  

•  My amazing son has lived in TX as an AF pilot (2 different bases).  My amazing hubby served in the AF too.  We did x-country road trips and always drove through TX.  An entire day from entering and exiting TX.   I mean pure 8 - 10 hrs driving.
•  Now let's do that same 8 hrs. for Bayonne.  You have NY/CT/NJ/DE/MD/PA and VA within 4 hrs at tops when we are talking. Manhattan, Long Island, Hartford, anywhere in NJ, Philly, anywhere in DE. Baltimore, DC, northern VA.  Heck if you live in VT, MASS., NH. RI, WV or NC you can make it there  in 8 hrs by car.  

 You can take a direct flight from Raleigh NC or Boston to Newark, and be an uber car ride away.  Can you say that about Galveston?   Please remember I may book a balcony and do the UDP and DBP plus excursions, but I do have a limited budget.  You move my sailing to a new port, I have to add in that cost.

2. Please show me the link that RCL sails more out of Galveston.

•  NJ and Baltimore BOTH sail to NE.  Said it before, will say it again.  Not every cruiser wants a beach experience...shocking bc I can't fathom it.  Many want the east coast version of wilderness.  They want to get out of the heat.  Galveston, nor Miami can do that.  Now add on the fact they cancelled all AK cruises, the only comparable cruise would be NE and that means Bayonne.
•  Granted come late October they only sail southbound, but for this debate we are talking AUG when they start rolling out.  They  can sail both north and southbound out of NJ.
•  Plus, ships like Adventure move from Liberty to FLL end of Oct.  That is their schedule.  They do the repositioning cruises up to Canada and down to FL.

3.  RCL making a mistake not sailing to Coco Cay/Bahamas out of Galveston.

•  That to me makes huge sense.  Galveston can hit their private island, Labadee. Mexico and even Jamaica.  It means less ships at Coco Cay.  Passengers are already fearful that it will be too crowded.
•  How many days would that cruise take?  
•  Bahamas?  You ain't missing a thing.  RCL knows from their own research, hence the twisting of the arm with the Bahamian govt to get them to build a new terminal.
•  Bermuda. I do have pity.

4. Yes, they get west coasters out of FL., but this is what I will say from someone that rotates annually (Miami/Bayonne). 

• I have always found there are a ton more Europeans on our Miami sailings.  I think it is because for them they see it as a bucket list trip, and hit Disney and Orlando at the same time.  Which means west coasters are not a factor.
•  Our NJ sailings seemed to have more west coasters bc they, like Europeans wanted to see NYC.  

I recall sitting at the 1st night on all of those cruises and each time NJ sailings had way more US citizens compared to international, yet out of Miami it was the opposite.

I get your defense of Galveston.  However, this is not personal.  It is business.  If you go through faking bookings through the summer of 2021, there is no Oasis or Quantum class on the books.  Bringing us back to the OP and the question of ANTHEM out of Galveston.

Again, I am willing to eat crow, heck I will color in my coloring book while I eat it, but I really would love to see the links or sources that you keep mentioning in your posts.

@Texas cruiser  My bad.  I think it is Indy that is in FL currently, but Liberty is leaving in 2021 and Adventure is to replace her..

17 minutes ago, Texas cruiser said:

My point exactly about Adventure....It's already there and is an older class ship.

I was also responding to the fact that Adventure is leaving for Galveston.  @Chadster asked you which ship do you think would replace Anthem?  Your response was Adventure.   Adventure that has been there for yrs. It is not a replacement per se.  Additionally, my response was seeing as Adventure is going to Galveston and replacing her with Freedom in 2021, your answer is not current with ship movements.  So if it was current for 2021 the response should have been Freedom since Adventure will be in TX. You can book a cruise on Freedom out of Bayonne in 2021, but no sailing on Adventure.  They maybe sister ships, but still, cruisers like to try different ships.

You can't have passengers booking a 2021 cruise with specific cabins selected and expecting to sail on Adventure out of Galveston and be told...nope, sorry we replaced it with....different class ship!  RCL will have to pay OBC, to soothe the savage beasts (passengers).  RCL won't have that money.

•   I have sailed with both sides of my family (mine on Anthem, Hubby's on Adventure).  My family was it has to be Anthem, Adventure is too small.  Husband's side was it has to be Adventure, Anthem is too big.  Point is people not only select ports, but if they have multiple ships they select a ship too.   
•  What I read with you is a ship is a ship.  No way, no how can you say Anthem and Adventure are interchangeable.  

FWIW, I like Adventure more than Anthem.

27 minutes ago, Texas cruiser said:

The highest density of Covid Cases in the US and you think RCCL will sail 4 ships out of Cape...really how does that make good financial sense? 

You do realize the CDC is saying no sailing until end of July?    We are talking from this day to July 26th, 73 days.   73 days.  Look at the turn since mid March,  it has flattened. 

Will say it again NJ is opening their beaches in 2 weeks for Memorial Day.  Do you think that NYers will not be driving there?  We are talking maybe an hr car ride from Staten Island. 

As a Jersey girl. I have no fear getting on a ship, but flying, I am on the not this year!  Move my ship to a new port, I am cancelling my cruise.

6 minutes ago, Texas cruiser said:

Also...you do realize when he says Oasis Class....He means the fleet not the ship (Oasis/Allure/Harmony/Symphony)..

Yes, I know it was the class. Hence, why I said Oasis is located in NJ.

7 minutes ago, Texas cruiser said:

.FYI. I saw it and last I checked NJ and NY area are little down the list of cruise ports in the US...1 2 and 3 being Florida and which port is 4th...oh that right...it's Galveston, TX. Which is why Carnival is opening in those states first

Please share the link.  I have no problem eating crow, just let me make some brown gravy so it is doable for me to eat.

I agree that currently TX is doing so much better reopening than NJ/NY.  However, we are also putting the cart before the horse since before any ship leaves port they need the CDC to let them go.  NJ  is going to relent on reopening.  Why?  Because impo, they can't keep the tourism reason as a defense when many people in NJ work in NYC and they are will open the beaches for Memorial Day.  OH and add in those huge containers ships docked in NJ.  

Can I see TX also sailing early?  Yes, because they can hit Labadee.  However, NJ can hit Coco Cay.  

The thing is nobody knows where these ships will end when they come back from repatriating the crews.  Yet, what we do know is simple.  

•  Anthem and Oasis have sailings booked out of Cape Liberty for this summer.  If they turn and say you now have to fly to Miami or TX, many will cancel.  What will be their chances to rebook that ship with the same occupancy at a short notice?  SLIM.  
•  I sail out of Miami or Bayonne.  Bayonne bc I can drive there.  My Oasis sailing out of NJ this yr was cancelled.  If they turned to me and said, Oasis was now going to sail out of Galveston, you can cancel with 125% booking or sail at 50% with OBC.  I would cancel and take the 125%.  My husband has no desire to do a Mexico cruise.  My Symphony cruise 5/2021 is going to both Labadee and Coco Cay. Getting to Galveston will require airports and extra travel.  I live in VA, it is a 4 hr at tops car ride.  The 50% off would be eaten up with airfare at such a short notice, plus a hotel since we never fly on the sail date.  
•  I am betting Galveston is like NJ regarding passengers.  More passengers drive than fly to the port compared to Miami.  I will say the same is true for me if they told me my Oasis or Anthem sailing would be out of Miami.  Give me the 125%.  I am not going to drive 13 hrs. to a port.  Direct flights to Miami or Ft. Lauderdale will cost an arm and a leg at short notice.  

In the end I think RCL has and is doing market research while working hand in hand with reservations and ports.  Yes, Miami impo will be the 1st to roll out.  

1 minute ago, Texas cruiser said:

Reread my post....Where did I say that Anthem is an Oasis class ship class?

I don't want to fight.  My intention was not to offend.  This thread is about ANTHEM moving, which is a Quantum class.  You keep bringing up Oasis class.  Nowhere in the rumor mill is there any word that Symphony, Harmony or Oasis is moving to TX.  Thus, to me mentioning Oasis class is mute.

Granted if an Oasis class can fit, than I am sure a Quantum class. 

5 minutes ago, Texas cruiser said:

One of the smaller class ships at first..... Adventure Of The Seas. What's not to get....Ships move all the time.

HUH?  Adventure is already at Cape Liberty/Bayonne.  I sailed on her July 2019.  Actually, you are behind the 8 ball.  Adventure is on the books to go to TX next season.  Freedom will be replacing her out of Bayonne.  Liberty will now be in FL. 

Going back to @Chadster's  question who will replace Anthem at Bayonne?   I think due to CoVid it is up in the air.  I think this season was "suppose" to be a trial run for the Bayonne market regarding demand.  They would have had both Oasis and Anthem, plus Adventure, and I believe Empress.  This is on top of their Celebrity ships.  If they saw they could sail 100% occupancy on all 4, than it would make sense to have 4 different classes.  NCL sails out of NYC with similar itineraries.  It would be about gaining more market share.  

1 minute ago, Texas cruiser said:

Why would RCCL risk contaminating some of their newest ships in the fleet....That makes no sense at all. You have to look at from a marketing stand point. Image if Anthem or Oasis were to be come infected and constantly on the evening nation news.... It would be a PR nightmare! You don't want to take a chance on tarnishing the best ship classes in the fleet. Not to mention the extreme cost to disinfect ships of those sizes..

I am guessing you missed what the CEO, Michael Bayley stated yesterday.

To summarize.  Best ships, best itineraries, and best destinations. 

• He went onto say he thinks Coco Cay will be one of the 1st to roll out.  NJ can and does sail there all of the time.  I have done it multiple times, albeit, you are probably looking at a 5 night sail compared to the 3 -4 night out of Miami.
•  He also stated that he believed it would be the Oasis class will be rolled out 1st since from a density aspect, due to more balconies, more dining options, more pools, plus the neighborhoods (Central Park and Boardwalk) it is more feasible.  Want to guess the port Oasis is located for this season?  Not TX.  Not FL.  NJ?  Ding Ding Ding!.  

@Texas cruiser  Anthem is not an Oasis class, it is a Quantum class.  

Nobody is saying Oasis, Harmony or Symphony is on the books to go to Galveston.  It is 1 ship.  Anthem.  Now, granted, if they can take an Oasis class ship they can take a Quantum class like Anthem.

30 minutes ago, RCIfan1912 said:

Beaches here is NJ including the shore are gonna open by memorial day. I think Cape Liberty will be open by August. That doesn't mean ships will sail, CDC has say in this too. Hopefully though, we are on Oasis in Sept. 

I agree, in the end it comes down to the CDC, which brings me back to my  point/defense.

If the CDC says sailing can resume and the NJ governor opens the beaches, South Street Seaport and Great Adventure, how can he use the fear of tourism as a factor, especially if the CDC gave the all clear for sailing.

I see the huge outcry from those that work at the ports from 1 more aspect.  Anyone in NJ knows that Bayonne is like Baltimore.  You have the huge Maersk container ships bringing in products from around the world located right next door.  If they allow those dock workers that are now in direct contact with crews that just sailed back from China with a massive ship filled with cargo containers, how can you not allow the cruise ships?  Same can be said with that lovely odor you smell on the NJTPKE...you know it...the refineries.  NJ does not produce oil, but it is known for its refineries.  Those cargo ships are coming from places like AK, and unless something has changed that I don't know of, their crew in the eyes of tourism would be considered a tourist since they are coming from AK!

I also agree I think it will be open by Aug., but just maybe Anthem and Oasis will sail.  I just can't see Adventure sailing when it opens up.  I can see RCL cancelling all Adventure cruises from Liberty this yr., bc usually she sails south by end of Oct.  I can't recall if she is being used for crew member repatriation.  If she is, they may just bring her to her fall/winter port early.  I know she was suppose to go in for amplification before she hit Galveston to replace Liberty.   I doubt the amplification will occur.

@JLMoran

I agree they have to work closely together because of the amount of NJ residents that work in NYC.  Heck, my SIL works in NYC, and we think she is crazy bc she commutes there from Hamilton.  That is a haul, she could commute to Philly faster!  My SIL takes NJ Transit into NYC, hops on a subway to the Wall St district.  Imagine how many tourists she will come in contact with every single day.  Do you really think that once NYC opens the tourists aren't going to visit the famous Bull on Wall St and touch it, or buy a dirty dog from a street vendor?  She will be on the same streets and mass transit just like the tourist from California that flew there, or the tourist that drove from NC staying at The Pierre in Manhattan.

However,  I still say if his defense is tourism, than he cannot open the beaches and keep Liberty closed.  I think the businesses at the shores will start revolting right after Memorial Day.  Let's be honest, Hurricane Sandy decimated their businesses only a few yrs ago.  They need the shores to open.  They will place pressure on him.  Hence, if he opens the beaches, which will include tourists, than where is his defense?

If he opens the beaches than Great Adventure will cry fowl and demand that they let them open too.  People aka tourists from PA and NY will be there.  

In essence, it is a slippery slope.  Either every single thing has to remain close or he has to open.  

I think you are correct, they will work in tandem, like they are doing in No VA/MD and DC. 

11 minutes ago, Chadster said:

As of tomorrow (5/15), Maryland's shifting from "Stay at Home" to "Safer at Home". We're basically beginning Phase One of the four-phase reopening plan. This one was based on two weeks of data. So, if we continue the trend, we'll move forward in two-week chunks.

Yeah, but the problem you have for MD is you all thought going to the  crab market in DC and not socially distancing or wearing masks was a good idea!    

VA is going the same route as MD with almost the identical roll out.  

11 minutes ago, Chadster said:

Of course, the plan makes no mention of what phase would include the reopening of the Cruise Maryland Terminal in Baltimore.

I highly doubt that even if they open the port, RCL is going to place it on the top of their list.  I would bet it will be 1 of the last. I say this because it is close to NJ and only offers 1 ship, whereas, Liberty has multiple RCL ships, plus Celebrity too.

10 minutes ago, JLMoran said:

to convince the governor or the county leadership to reopen it and risk having another flare-up from an influx of tourists.

You are right.  The problem NJ has is your governor! 

Look at the fight he had regarding opening golf courses.  It actually made national news due to his refusal to open them, when every state surrounding NJ, minus NY never closed them.  You can go golfing in VA, but no hair cuts even by apptmt only.  RI tried to stop people from entering their state if they had out of state plates on their car, but you could still go golfing!

That being said, it was amazing how as soon as he made national news by the Golf Association venting, he reversed direction and opened all of the courses in NJ the next day!

I think if your governor folded to the Golf Association, he will fold to the cruise lines.  My opinion is that RCL will pressure him and get all of the unions associated with them to do the same.  He will make national news again.  I can see it now on the news.  RCL rep or a dock union rep says NCL is sailing out of NYC, the true epi-center, but the Governor of NJ will not open Bayonne, a spit eye away.   

Plus, if he opens up the Jersey shores by August, how on earth could he defend not opening Cape Liberty?  I am a Jersey girl.  You have NYers at Point Pleasant/Seaside Heights/Asbury/Belmar non-stop,  and I am talking just for the day.  Just drive on any given Sat or Sun. and for every 1 NJ plate you see a NY plate.

Here's a question regarding what Michael Bayley stated and looking at Cape Liberty.

"It's pretty logical that when we restart our operations, when everything's good and when we've got everything figured out, that it will be the most popular products on the most popular itineraries with the best ships going to the best destinations.

Typically the ships out of Bayonne during their season will sail 1 trip to NE and the next sailing will than go to the Caribbean.  We all expect that Canada will not open anytime soon for cruising.  However, I wonder if they will just change the itinerary and skip Canada.  They could stop at Boston, Portland and Bar Harbor.   

I query this because he said most popular destinations and best ships.  Oasis and Anthem both sail out of Liberty.  They can send Oasis northbound and Anthem southbound, than repeat like they usually do, with Oasis southbound while Anthem goes northbound.  

I get why he stated Coco Cay 1st, but again, I pose this because from a social distancing aspect I doubt they will have multiple large ships at Coco Cay on the same day.  

Plus, the NE cruises are very popular because not everyone wants to be on a beach,  and my best guess would be by Aug. 1 all of the US ports for that itinerary would be open.  

I also think there is 1 more reason why they maybe looking deep into that itinerary.  HURRICANES.  Let's assume they start July 26th.  That is peak hurricane season.  It allows them to double down.  If a hurricane is barreling down on Coco Cay, they just sail out up north.  

15 hours ago, RCIfan1912 said:

I guess this isn't great news for our Oasis cruise from NJ to Coco Cay Sept. 6th.

I would think it is the complete opposite.  

Your cruise checks off 2 items right off the bat.  Best ship and going to Coco Cay.  The ship also checks off the mark regarding density since it has Central Park and Boardwalk.  Plus a ton of restaurants.  Everything that Michael Bayley stated in his Q & A.

36 minutes ago, Jill said:

Density is the absolute key. I'd much rather be spread out on a huge Oasis class ship with all of the ocean view and interior balconies, all of the neighborhoods like Central Park and the Boardwalk, huge split pool deck, huge mostly open solarium, huge sports area, etc. Tons of dining options to spread out... on and on. The smaller, older ships are much more limited when it comes to open air deck space and number of balconies. They'll figure it out!

Now had you said you were going on Adventure than maybe I would agree with you because Adventure, as intimate as it is, only has 3 specialty dining options, 4 of you count JR and only 2 pools.  

For me, regarding sailing out of Bayonne, I wonder where this places Anthem.  She has everything on the check list, minus 1.  The neighborhoods.  The one true negative I have always had with Anthem is the Esplanade.  No need to wait in line to drive the bumper cars on a sea day when they are having their sidewalk sales, just go down to the Esplanade! 

I agree Chadster.

@Texas cruiser  Anthem is Quantum class not Oasis.

RCL is booking Anthem through 2021 out of Bayonne.  If you do a fake booking you will see they are pretty full right now for a Dec 2021 sailing.

Will it eventually go to Galveston? Maybe, probably, but I doubt it will happen before 2022.

As far as the North East I see it happening at the get go, but with limited ships.

Anthem, Adventure, Oasis and LadyG can all sail out and hit Coco Cay, Labadee, Miami, FLL, etc. for southern routes.  Texas is limited.  

OBTW, remember RCL, unlike NCL sails out of NJ, not NY!

I agree @SpeedNoodles.  I think self serve will be an issue on every ship.

That now begs the question will WJ have desserts in a cup?

22 minutes ago, SpeedNoodles said:

The ice cream machines had attendants on the last two cruises I was on (last June on Ovation and last Feb on Symphony).  You were not allowed to get your own

I think that is also a problem with RCL.  I am loyal to Royal, but every ship is different.

They did not do that on my Anthem or Adventure  that we took within 9 months of each other.  I sailed Adventure 2018.  

2 hours ago, WannaCruise said:

Correct...Anthem sailings are listed as New Jersey.  Then again, they are still showing sailings up to the last minute and then they cancel the month.  (E.g. June available...but doubt June sailings are going ahead)

I agree that if I wanted to go on the site today and pay in full, be it FCC or my own credit card I could book a cabin for next month, or even July.  Mainly because many people have done 1 of the 3 programs they are offering.

However, your scenario is different since it is 18+ months out.  

To me that speaks volumes regarding her not being in TX in 2021.

I just tried a fake booking for Dec 6, 2021 on Anthem for a balcony cabin, 7 nights to Bahamas.  There are very few cabins left mid section on each floor for that sailing.  In essence, they will be sold out probably in a month or two for those cabins.  Notice the date is 19 months out.  That is a lot of RCL making it up to these passengers in OBC, which, in turn, means less profits.

•  Scarier according to my fake booking for Dec. 24.  There are less cabin selections. 

You also do get a lot of foreigners that during Dec.  see sailing out of NJ is cool bc it is so close to NYC.  They can go into Manhattan, ice skate and drink hot coco at Rockefeller Center and see the tree,  buy roasted chestnuts on the street, see the Rockettes,  check out the window displays on 5th Ave, etc.  For people that drive it is not such a biggie bc it is not really a 1x in lifetime bucket list.  RCL is a tourist industry company.  They sell these excursions on their cruise planner.  A flight from London, Paris, Germany, Italy, etc to Newark or JFK is still going to get them there in 8 hrs. and direct.  You can't fly directly to Galveston from those locations.  You aren't going to get that experience.

I wish you the best, but if it is Anthem you want, I just can't see it in Galveston before spring 22.

IOWS = in other words.

I really can't see them not sailing by Dec.  

Again, I was also just pointing out that if they are selling bookings for Dec 2021 for Anthem out of Liberty, and the post Matt shared said POSSIBILITIES than to me I would say maybe Spring 2022, but not 2021 which is when you want to Lift and Shift.

Just now, jaredhamburg said:

My guess is that there will be a card to scan and an attendant to get a beverage.

Yes, but you can do that now.  My hubby takes his freestyle cup to the pool bc he likes Powerade or cherry coke zero.  I just take my sea pass card because I am fine with diet coke.  

The problem the attendant issue is financial.  It is all about $$$.  Replacing the free style machine will mean they will need more attendants to be roaming certain areas, WJ, and pool decks quickly come to mind.  2nd. It will mean reinvestment in things like more glasses and those favorite paper straws.  You are talking about ships, such as Anthem with 4K+ passengers.  If 1500 of them had the free style, that is a lot less glasses to be purchased and washed.  Hence, financially it is cheaper in the long run.

Yes, but remember it is self serve which means it is limited interaction with staff.  

If you get rid of it, imagine how many more people will be lining up at the pool bars for sodas instead of hitting the free style machine in the WJ or Promenade/Esplanade before going to the pool

They are going to have to change, but I would think that will be on the bottom of the pile compared to the ice cream machines on the pool deck if you worry about spreading germs.

~ Never went to it, never will, because even before Co Vid, I saw how unsanitary it was.  Kids grabbing cones and putting them back.  Dads making multiple cones with ice cream on his hand as he makes the next.  Lines out the ying yang.  

54 minutes ago, WannaCruise said:

Or maybe the rumor is just a rumor and they keep Anthem in New Jersey so it's a non-issue, even if we move the cruise.

On another thread under the Rumors section, this is what Matt posted

Notice the key word is POSSIBILITIES.  

I did some fake bookings for Anthem Aug-Dec 2021 when I heard this rumor.  I only placed Cape Liberty in my search and Anthem was there.  Went so far as to select a cabin.  

I also know on FB for the Anthem page, many have already done the L & S program for Dec. 2021 sailing out of Bayonne on Anthem.

I just can't see the moving her by Dec 2021, especially now with the FCC, CWC and L&S programs in place.  I have sailed out of Bayonne multiple times.  I am originally from NJ, but live in VA now, and we laugh everytime we do this, bc by the end of the week are accents come back thick since many of the passengers are from the NY/NJ/CT area.  Like many passengers they select a cruise due to the availability of getting to the port...drive over fly.  

If RCL now goes back and says OBTW we will be sailing out of Galveston instead of NJ after these people did 1 of the 3 programs RCL is offering currently, I believe there will be a huge PR backlash since they would have to fly instead of driving, OR RCL would have to pony up some deep discounts to soothe those passengers anger.  Money that they will still need to recover from CoVid 19 this yr.  It is not a winner either way for 2021.

The only way I can see them doing that is bringing her sister ship like Ovation to NJ to replace Anthem.  Remember Oasis, Adventure (soon to be replaced by Freedom) plus Empress will sail out of NJ.  That is on top of Anthem being there too.  IOWS 4 ships and all different classes are there.  Anthem has always been their yr round sailing ship.  Adventure is only there from May-Oct., I would think Freedom will be doing the same.

I would also say that every sailing out of Bayonne has been 100% occupancy.  This includes 2 where they changed our itineraries 48 hrs prior because of hurricanes.  We were told we could do 100% FCC or get 50% off plus 250 OBC.  We sailed, and like I stated the ship sailed 100% occupied.  It shows how many passengers truly drive to the port.  

In the restaurant it is always cappuccino and a shot of Amaretto.

Schooners it is the Sandy Collins.

I would have no problem sailing in Nov.  I would say book it now, bc it is likely June and July cruises will be canceled.  That cabin you like now maybe gone if you wait  until Aug.  The price may also increase.  Carnival announced last week they had a 200% increase for bookings in April compared to their bookings from April 2019.

To me the fact is that if they are not sailing by Nov. you might as well say the cruising industry will be kaput.  Financially they can't hold on that long since you are talking 8 months by  Nov.

Look at our country currently with all of the protests for people demanding to go back to work and opening up the country NOW as in yesterday.  IMPO, the outcry is going to get louder with everyday the longer we stay in this mode.

Cruising is not just about employees on the ships, but also at all of the port terminals, hotels, restaurants, and airlines that get people there from a business aspect.  If you just took Navigator, Mariner, Symphony, and Harmony sailing out of Miami every week, you are talking about 25-30K people creating revenues for Miami.  That is just 4 ships from 1 cruise line.  Reality is it is probably more like 75K+ people on a weekly basis if you add in Carnival and NCL.  If only 25K of them spend the night before or after the cruise at a hotel, that is 25K hotel rooms that sit idle.  25K less meals served at a restaurant. 25K less UBER rides to the terminal.  All in just 1 week.  

Will cruising look the same?  Probably not, but there will be cruising.

I could see a 200 lb max, but not 150.  

My guess for the weight limit is not only passenger safety, but the wear and tear on those slides if they did not place a weight limit.  The slides are attached to the structure, and are built with connecting pieces requiring large bolts.

Plus, it might be the manufacturers guidelines.  If the manufacturer states 150 lbs., and a 225 lb person goes down the slide, and it breaks, causing injury to the guest, it is big problems for RCL.  In this lawsuit  crazed society the passenger will sue RCL.  RCL has no recourse in suing the manufacturer bc they did allow them to go down the slide knowing it was not built for that weight.

On Adventure, they have 2 slides.  I believe one is under 200 lbs and the other is over up to a certain weight (can't recall).  At the top of the stairs you get on a scale if you look like you are close to the limit.  If you are over the 200 lb marker you are forced to go on the other slide.  

Just saying that they do enforce it.  I would find it difficult to do that at the cabanas, and I think 150 is low, but why.I can understand 

Okay I just did a fake booking for Galveston through out the entire yr of 2021.  No Anthem, but Adventure and Allure when it comes to ships that start with the letter A.

I just can't see that Anthem will sail out of TX. in 2021.

If you pick Anthem as your ship it is not in TX., at least not for Summer 2021 since it appears on fake booking for her out of Liberty.  

Granted it is a fake booking, but that is a lot of fixing for customers if they book and RCL moves her to TX.  It is not like Moving her  from Miami to FLL.