smokeybandit

https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/cruise/instructions-local-agreements.html Second to last paragraph in the Purpose section.

Based on the "guidance" from the CDC, this makes total sense.

I don't see hotel or resorts on that list. And that's what a cruise ship is. All those other examples are high density, possibly low budget or cleanliness, living conditions among unrelated people. There's a clear and obvious difference with a cruise ship, and it's embarrassing the CDC goes out of its way to try to lump cruises in with those others.

Disneyworld should be a residential congregate setting, too, then.

In fact there's more reason to be concerned than ever that cruising is lost for the summer.

With states opening up vax to everyone anyway, getting all shoreside support people vaccinated shouldn't be an issue. By the time these stupid shoreside agreements are finally blessed by the CDC, you'll be able to go to your local CVS and get a vaccine without an appointment.

I personally wasn't impressed with coastal kitchen after how they kept mangling my wife's orders due to dietary restrictions. We stay in the main dining room for that reason.

Switching my July cruise from Allure to Adventure is proving to be the right move more and more each day.

There's a lot of liability at stake for both sides in cruise lines putting together these unnecessary shore agreements. That's going to take a long time for the lawyers to do their things. Then you have to wait for the CDC to bless them to even start test cruises. I don't see how cruising starts this summer at all.

BREVARD COUNTY • PORT CANAVERAL, FLORIDA – Capt. John Murray, Port Canaveral CEO, expressed his displeasure with the latest announcement by the CDC on Friday by issuing the latest phase of the conditional sail order for cruise ship operators. “For a year now, we have been working closely with our cruise partners and directly with the CDC to find a way forward for the return of cruising from Port Canaveral,” said Capt. John Murray. “Just today, CDC announced that vaccinated Americans could safely travel internationally. We’re disappointed that this guidance for the cruise industry appears to be nothing more than an incremental step in a far-reaching process to resume passenger sailings in the U.S. with no definitive or target start date.”

That would make too much sense

The original CSO had a generic "You have to have agreement with local health officials to handle any issues" This clarifies what "issues" are any actually what needs to be in place to handle them. It also throws in "hey try to get your people vaccinated, too" as an after thought. What I'd love to know is how far along the cruise lines had these agreements in place or if since the original guidance was so vague it wasn't worth the discussions.

Skimming over it, I can see why Bayley was concerned that amendments to the CSO would be outdated.

Gives some added guidance to the part of the CSO about local agreements (haven't read through it enough yet to see if it makes things more clear or just muddier). Also some vaccine guidance https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/cruise/instructions-local-agreements.html

I'm not at all concerned about this EO and Florida-based cruises. Plus we don't even know yet if RC will require vaccines for American homeport cruises.

I'd like to know if that's true since no country that RC is operating in is requiring vaccines for incoming passengers (Israel of course isn't allowing any foreign tourists into the country).

Plenty of workarounds since one could upload their vaccine card image before arriving in Florida.

Anyone hoping their June/July cruises still happen just got their hopes dashed.

Vaccines must be geofenced.

But it uses the "variant" buzzword even though the variants most mentioned have been in the USA for six months or more.

Here's the international guidance, which isn't as rosy to return to cruising. In fact there's nothing here that makes me think cruising is happening any time soon. Apparently the variants are only a concern outside the USA. Updated Information for Travelers Fully vaccinated travelers are less likely to get and spread COVID-19. However, international travel poses additional risks and even fully vaccinated travelers are at increased risk for getting and possibly spreading new COVID-19 variants. CDC recommends delaying international travel until you are fully vaccinated. If you are fully vaccinated with an FDA-authorized vaccine: You should continue to follow CDC’s recommendations for traveling safely and get tested 3-5 days after travel. You do NOT need to get tested before leaving United States unless your destination requires it. You do NOT need to self-quarantine after arriving in the United States.

Updated CDC info: Updated Information for Travelers Fully vaccinated travelers are less likely to get and spread COVID-19. People who are fully vaccinated with an FDA-authorized vaccine can travel safely within the United States: Fully vaccinated travelers do not need to get tested before or after travel unless their destination requires it Fully vaccinated travelers do not need to self-quarantine Fully vaccinated travelers should still follow CDC’s recommendations for traveling safely including: Wear a mask over your nose and mouth Stay 6 feet from others and avoid crowds Wash your hands often or use hand sanitizer I like this one: Fully vaccinated travelers do not need to get tested before or after travel unless their destination requires it Yet the USA requires testing to enter the country even if vaccinated.

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