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Restricted passenger voyages CDC COS
0_0 posted a topic in Royal Caribbean News and RumorsMy understanding is that skipping the simulated voyages still requires cruise lines to follow these requirements in what's being called "Restricted Voyages" under the CSO. It is also my understanding that these are required even if the cruise lines meet the 95/98% vaccination requirement. IMO, some of these are not possible (at least not with a full ship), and others essentially diminish the cruise experience to the point of it not being worth it. If you travelled to a city where 95%+ of the people were vaccinated and you still had to do these things I think we'd all call that absolutely ridiculous. Even the CDC estimates that if 70% of the population was vaccinated Covid would likely no longer be a threat. ? https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/cruise/covid19-operations-manual-cso.html I'll call out the ones I believe are the most impactful here from the various "requirements" sections. Quotes from CDC site are in plain text. My opinion is Italicized While the Order permits temporarily removing a mask for brief periods of time while eating or drinking, removal of the mask for extended meal service or beverage consumption would constitute a violation of this Order. (This means wearing a mask the whole time you're in the MDR and not currently eating) Ensure bathers wear masks while congregating outside of recreational water facilities (RWFs) and while seated on the pool deck area. Masks do not need to be worn in the water, e.g., in RWFs or while swimming in the ocean. A wet cloth mask can make it difficult to breathe and likely will not work correctly. This means it is particularly important for bathers to maintain social distancing of at least 6 feet (2 meters) when in the water with others who are not traveling companions or part of the same family. Reduce the bather load for each facility to meet social distancing When social distancing of at least 6 feet (2 meters) between bathers is not possible, such as in small whirlpool spas, RWFs should be used by the same family or traveling companions only. This can be accomplished by close monitoring. (Social distancing in pools and hot tubs mean very few people will be able to use these facilities at the same time) Place seating area items located in or around RWFs, such as tables, chairs, loungers, sun beds, and poufs, 6 feet (2 meters) apart from each other to adhere to social distancing These items can be grouped together for families and traveling companions. (Again significantly reduces available capacity) Elevators and Stairwells, Limit capacity, provide floor markings, and provide marked queuing areas to eliminate congregation (Elevators were difficult to get before, with limited 6ft distancing or only 1 party/each, impossible) Change restaurant and bar layouts to ensure that all customer parties remain at least 6 feet (2 meters) apart (such as removing tables, stools, and chairs or marking any that are not for use). Limit seating capacity to allow for social distancing of at least 6 feet (2 meters). Eliminate self-service food and drink options, such as self-service buffets, salad bars, and beverage stations. (I assume you'll need an attendant for any self service like freestyle or soft serve. Or they'll be closed) Prohibit self-guided or independent exploration by passengers during port stops. Ensure all shore excursion tour companies facilitate social distancing to allow for at least 6 feet (2 meters) between individuals who are not traveling companions or part of the same family, mask wearing, cleaning and disinfection, and other COVID-19 public health measures throughout the tour. Restrict passenger attendance so that proper social distancing of at least 6 feet (2 meters) between individuals who are not traveling companions or part of the same family, and risk mitigation protocols can be met. (This one takes the cake. Can't get off the ship without paying for an excursion, and the excursion can't bring parties within 6 feet of each other. Since when does the CDC control what a person does when they get off an airplane or any other conveyance for that matter in a foreign country?) TLDR: The CDC requirement are still ridiculous, and laughable. It's as if they really don't believe the vaccines are effective. That's what these rules really suggest.
Just saw this article. https://thepointsguy.com/news/antigua-barbuda-curacao-do-not-travel-cdc/
RCL during COVID-19
Otis B. posted a topic in Royal Caribbean DiscussionBe careful booking a future cruise... Why? The cruise lines are hemorrhaging cash. RCL has 61 ships floating around ports. Cruise lines and cruise ships are in survival mode. The CDC can extend the ban on cruise departures from US ports indefinitely (beyond) the end of July 2020. All Business Interruption and Liability coverage on the ships (including reinsurance) have broader carve outs for infectious diseases beyond the current exclusions. Countries outside of the US may not permit cruise ships to dock, which is currently the situation in the Caribbean and Latin America. Carnival, with its ships flagged in the Bahamas, was barred from unloading passengers in the Bahamas when the pandemic hit and had to bring those passengers to the US. Even if countries permit ports of call, if a ship has sick passengers, that ship may be barred. In order for the cruise industry to operate, the airlines have to be flying aircraft, currently parked in Tulsa, Arizona, Raleigh-Durham, and anywhere else. Passengers will need to feel comfortable flying in middle seats in coach and adjacent seats in business for the airlines to return to profitability. To date, no therapeutic program currently under trials has, in Dr. Fauci's recent comments, shown enough promise to stop trials and begin using immediately. The biologics showing some possible use are expensive, IV-administered in a hospital, and used when patients appear to be in need of ventilation. There is no oral antiviral for prophylactic purposes like Tamiflu for influenza. A vaccine is at least a year to 18 months away for general use, at best. Many drug companies make announcements, but until a stage 3 trial is complete and the vaccine is proven effective and safe, it's just words. Scaling up several billion doses of vaccine will take months. Most large gatherings (arenas, stadiums, amusement parks, cruise ships) will be the last to return to activities, and will likely require a vaccination card to enter or attend. This is not a call-to-arms for anti-vaxxers. It will be a requirement for cruise lines' insurance coverages. Corporation events (sales meetings, division recognitions, etc.), a substantial portion of cruise revenues, will not return for several years despite heavy discounting and promotions. Financially-crippled hotels and resorts, will have a built-in advantage for open spaces, proximity to hospitals, and immediate access to airports in the event of an outbreak. When a cruise line says "We're Sailing in July," it means they are taking reservations and accepting payments. It's the current policy of the cruise lines to apply a 100% credit for future cruises if you cancel prior to their canceling the cruise. (How to travel to a departure port via an airline is another issue.) It's only when the cruise line actually cancels the sailing you may try to obtain a cash refund. Usually, the cruise line will credit the passenger with a 125% voucher for the cruise value on future cruises. A problem shows up if a cruise line were to file for reorganization under bankruptcy law, the voucher would be worthless since it's an unsecured liability against the cruise line. When a cruise line announces "We have strong bookings for the first quarter of 2021," it means that the cruise line has rolled all those unreimbursed/vouchered passengers to Q1 2021 sailings -- subject to further delays. There is no cavalry, no Fed, no US Treasury coming to the Cruise industry's rescue. For decades cruise revenues were treated by the IRS as offshore (tax-free) revenues. The taxes paid in the US are payroll and property taxes for land-based operations. . Because of these minimal tax payments along with subsidies by European governments for building ships, there is little interest in Congress to throw the cruise industry a financial lifeline. Likewise, financial help from Europe is unlikely. Anytime a Congressperson or Senator suggests reflagging in the US, the cruise model becomes completely broken as most shipboard crew are low-cost contract workers from less-developed nations, harder working than most Americans, but subject to termination at will. If you book and pay, even partially, for a cruise before a vaccine is available, you may not be able to obtain a cash refund unless Congress creates laws to protect passenger payments. Word to the wise -- be careful...that's all.