Manana Chkadua

I agree. Grandpa worked as IT and drove cars so I do not buy his story about sudden color blindness preventing him seeing that the window was open. Especially, I am concerned with a video showing him sticking his head and torso from the window. Was he drunk or on drugs? We will never know because his lawyer daughter and cop son-in-law advised him not to agree to the blood test. Nobody sane and not under influence will dangle a child from the open window on 11th floor unless they have a special agenda. The family deserves nothing and should be banned from all cruise lines for the rest of their lives.

As of September 2020, anybody heard anything about the Wiegand family lawsuit against Royal Carribean?

What bothers me the most, all pictures showing Chloe banging on the window at the hokey game show her standing on the floor as these window are similar to the wall of windows from the floor to the ceiling at the pool area of Freedom of the Seas. The grandpa did not need to put her over the safety barrier and on the narrow window ledge (so called baby play area!). If he kept her on the floor as she was shown at the ice rink, she would be alive. It was solely the Grandpa moronic action which killed her. I hate to see her family going to the bank with a fat check from RCL after the poor child died because of their negligence (or something more sinister). I paid my cruise fare, watched my child and had a good time. Kid is in his twenties and plans to go for RCL cruise for the honeymoon. I hope the courts take these pictures in their considerations -they show how preposterous is their lawsuit.

So parents want PR to drop all charges against the grandpa so they can sue RCL for millions - if they get a dime from the cruise line it will be a travesty of justice. I guess we could say that crime pays!. They filed a lawsuit against RCL which is a lie after lie, after lie. The pictures they enclosed are more like pictures from the cruise ship ad and not relevant to the case. And even these pictures show occasionally adults walking and sitting at the tables and nobody putting kids on the railing or windows!. Another news source shows their lawyer by the railing and looking at this picture alone anybody would determine that you need to be absolutely reckless moron to put the toddler on this narrow window ledge. Also the railing height and distance to the window would deter any sane person to put there a baby. There is a general consensus that even if you happen to be suddenly color blind, anybody standing in front of the open window should feel the breeze. He admitted on CBS TV that he felt the breeze and could not feel the panel. Unless he is retarded, he should conclude that the window was open. He is guilty of child endargerment and reckless homicide. There are warnings to stay away of the railings all over the ship and he ignored them. Apparently, even if RCL placed floating in the mid air "This window is open" sign, he would ignore too! Crime online - Baby chloe parents lawsuit - HAHAHA!.pdf

I have a lot of issues to accept that the Grandpa was only guilty of child endargement /negligent homicide. Look at the video I am attaching - he practically had all his upper torso out of the window for about 40 seconds. So our IT man had to know the window was open - https://metro.co.uk/2019/12/18/distressing-videos-show-moment-grandfather-dropped-toddler-death-off-cruise-ship-11929902/. CCTV cameras do not lie. If he can work as an IT person and drive cars he can see and he is not that dumb and decrepit as the family lawyer presents. Also, the picture provided of the railing in front of the window and the narrow window ledge make my skin cringe - it is so narrow that I would not put there my purse or even a drink! Placing a toddler there is more than reckless homicide! Well, he loved her but she had some serious health problems which could spell bleak future for her. With all inconsistency, was it a mercy killing?

So now the family wants the CCTV recorded images of the tragedy dropped because the CCTV camera lied! They want to continue to insist that window ledge on the 11th floor of the ship is a baby play area! And the grandpa who is supposedly working as IT man and drives cars, cannot tell whether the window is open? If the video gets thrown out and he gets acquitted, I think our justice system would need total overhaul. They are all for the money before even the child body turn cold. He should go to jail and the parents should get nothing!

I believe the parents lawsuit against Royal Caribbean should be dismissed and negligent homicide charges against the grandfather should be pursued. I hope he will be convicted of the charges. There is so much lying in this case that I do not know whether it is not an intentional accident: 1. Grandpa put the child over the safety barrier and on the window ledge which is a reckless and negligent action by any child guardian. The window ledge never will by a safe baby play area, 2. The Grandpa claims he is color blind. However, this has nothing to do in determining whether the window is close or open. He said on a national TV that he felt a breeze and could not feel the window panel. I never found a person that cannot determine whether window is close or open. Also, he admitted that he was not quite certain whether the window was closed but after sticking his head and upper torso outside the window, he decided to put the child there. It was at best a reckless action leading to the negligent homicide charges. 3. While at the PR precinct, he refused to take a blood test claiming his medication would produce false positive. So our IT man is quite smart but yet, he claims he could not determine whether the window was open. Something is fishy here. People take drugs, painkillers, oxycodons and other recreational drugs not to mention booze. Apparently, he was hiding something which would explain his erratic behavior( putting the child on the ledge of the open window and than dropping her out of the window). 4. Also, right after the accident was announced all over news, next we know they already have the maritime lawyer. Hmm, did they anticipated the need for him? Over, all if the grandpa was not related to a cop, he would be arrested, thrown in jail and the blood test would be done. I feel sorry for the girl but I hope that her parents get nothing and eventually recognize that it was entirely the grandpa fault. I do not think they should profit from the poor kid's death.

What is wrong with this family- they feed us one lie after another. Perhaps, they are unable to face the reality that the Grandpa reckless actions caused the death of the child or just want to get rich dunning RCL for the money: 1. They call the pool area baby play area although the CCTV video clearly shows the grandpa stood at the window next to the pool bar. We see adults at the counter and rows of pool chairs used mostly by adults! Actually, I do not see too many children in the CCTV video. 2. RCL placed a railing across the length of the wall of windows the creating an 18 inches buffer zone between the windows and the cruisers for their safety. Since the Grandpa lifted her over the railing and put her on the window ledge she was NO LONGER in the area designated as safe for cruisers and especially babies. So she was not at the BABY PLAY area! During my several cruises, I never seen cruisers climbing on or over the railing or placing children on the window ledge! Please let me know whether you have seen parents placing children there? 3. Although he alleges that he was color blind, the video clearly shows him sticking his head and part of the torso OUTSIDE the window - he should know that window is open as he felt the breeze and did not feel the window pane present. As long as I live I did not met a person unable to determine whether window was open or close when they stick the head out of the window! It is not a color blindness but perhaps booze, opioids and other problems. For example, being totally reckless! 4. What difference it makes whether or not the 18 months old child asked her Grandpa to put her on the window ledge? If she was in the Zoo and asked him to put her in the lion cage so she could pet him- should the Grandpa do it? He supposed to ensure that the environment he puts the child in is safe and window ledge is never a safe baby play area. There was a railing placed by RCL to keep cruisers from the very windows. The family arguments are becoming silly lies contradicting the actual evidence. Also, we are not going to abandon a common sense to justify this oxymoron's mistakes. The Grandpa is guilty of the negligent homicide and RCL does not seem to owe the family millions they seek.

I just saw the CCTV video from PR. I was appalled to see the Grandpa almost hanging out of the window - and he claim he could not determine the window is open? As he said, he felt the breeze and could not feel the window pane. Also, how the 18 month child can be put on that narrow ledge without her safety being endangered? In addition, please look at the shot showing distance between the baluster and the window- the distance seems to exceed the 18 month child ability to reach the window pane - she would fell either on the floor or outside for sure! By the way, does CCTV shows other cruisers placing their children, drinks and personal belonging on the ledge? It is a negligent homicide in more than one way! https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=754098988428111&id=163113404640097

So far the family blamed RCL, ship captain, entire Freedom of The Sea crew, Puerto Rican laws, and possible protectionism of the cruise line for the Grandpa reckless actions. At the beginning they called open to all pool area, baby play area than picture the Grandpa as good IT worker fully capable of caring for the child. . Now, they picture the Grandpa as a senile (at age 51?) individual who has serious vision problems and is color blind! However, he should not place the toddler on the narrow ledge by the window as it is against the RCL policy and defies common sense. Just before the Grandpa trial, they say he has poor vision and is color blind. Even if he is color blind, he said during the CBS interview and on one more occasion that he could feel the breeze and was compelled to seek the glass panel but could not find- IT guy and an average person should suspect the window could be OPEN! Although he knew that something was not right but put Chloe on the wedge anyway! Than, he stated on one occasion that he did not know where the kid disappeared until he saw her falling, falling and falling outside the window! So he could see, right! What we hear about the accident, he appeared to be confused, unable to think clearly - was he drunk, over-medicated, or suffering not only from the color blindness but perhaps Alzheimer? Otherwise, he was totally reckless. Nobody knows better than his family about his health problems. If there were serious impairments, they should not leave him in charge of the 18 months child. In addition to the parents, they had two sets of grandparents on the ship. I do not think RCL should pay them a dime! Thousands of toddlers are on the RCL cruises and they do not fall from the ship!

How many lies Baby Chloe family can perpetuate to get millions from Royal? Although the Wiegand family never claimed that grandpa had any medical condition that would impair his ability to provide care for the toddler, the grandpa in the recent CBS interview claimed he is color blind. He never mention his color blindness until his indictment. Had he be color blind, it should be in his medical records preceding the accident, drivers license and perhaps as an impairment in his IT job. At this point, it is hard to accept his claim of a sudden color blindness as he over and over testifies that he felt breeze and was compelled to try to touch a glass! He knew that something was wrong but still put the girl on the very narrow ledge. She had no chance to keep her balance and he admits to tripping, losing grip or letting one hand to go of her to seek for the window pane. Enough lies and we need justice for Chloe. Her grandpa was reckless and negligent - was he drunk, overdosed on opiates or else?

I am surprised as much misinformation the press and the family lawyer are providing in this case. Firstly, they say the accident happened in the baby play area but the latest pictures show the accident happened in the pool area open to everybody (babies, children, adults). Anybody could open the window in question. However, the pictures clearly show windows going from the floor level to the ceiling and the windows on the child level were closed and if the grandpa he kept her on the floor level she would be alive today. I fail to understand the grandpa reason for putting 18 months old child on the window ledge. I also cannot comprehend how he did not notice the open window as all windows in the pool area are tinted blue green and not crystal clean? What caused the accident- booze, opioids, medical condition and total recklessness? It is the child guardian responsibility to ensure the child safety. Royal Caribbean cannot prevent accidents caused by our reckless actions and they should not be forced to put bars on the windows, deck area, balconies and etc to keep all the jerks in. The indictment against the grandpa is proper. I am also annoyed that the parents want now to capitalize on the death of the poor child.baby Chloe pool deck area.pdf

I agree that the grandpa and the family have to take the responsibility for the child's death. All the bloggers agree that it was the Grandpa responsibility to verify that the ledge was safe for the child. Apparently, the ledge was too high as he could not feel the breeze coming from the open window and he did not check whether the window was open. Had he look at the row of windows, he would clearly see the difference in color indicating the open window. And then, he lost a grip on the child ( drunk, overmedicated?)? I wonder, if PR police took a blood test to verify whether he was under influence? We all agree, it is a lot of crap to maintain he could not determine whether the window was open or closed. Royal Caribbean cannot change the ship in a floating prison with bars on every window. What about the sundeck? It is up the child guardians to ensure their child safety. The parents need to assume the blame and stop blaming Royal Caribbean. Not to many children are reported falling from the ship right?

I took several RC cruises and no children fell out the windows. The window have green/blue tint and are not perfectly clean so baby Chloe grandpa should be easily able to identify closed and open windows as they are clearly identified even on the photos taken on the day of the accident. Was the grandpa drunk, overmedicated and medically impaired on the day of the accident? Normally, we do not have problem to identify open window at our house, work place or any place else. It appears that the grandpa was negligent placing 18 months baby on the window ledge at least his waist height. The 18 months baby is still wobbly can get injured falling inside the room and hitting her head on the table or chair. Unfortunately, she fell outside and the grandpa for unknown reasons could not grab her in time. I am terribly sorry for her untimely death, but it seems to be a case of the grandpa negligence more than the Royal Caribbean fault. It is a responsibility of the child guardian to make secure his child. There are windows from floor to the ceiling in the Windjammer Café and solarium deck. They are closed on the child/adult level as far as I am concerned. However, some ships have Windjammer Café area window open for cruisers willing to dine al fresco. Again, Royal Caribbean tries to satisfy all cruisers and asks the cruisers to exercise caution to avoid accidents. Keeping eyes shut is not a good method, right? Above all, I am appalled on the family shifting rapidly to capitalize on the girl' death. And as a prior cruiser, generally I am pleased with the services RC provides. I am also concerned with the reckless cruisers climbing the walls and suing the RC which in the end will result in RC rising the cruise price for all of us. Let the baby Chloe rest in piece and let us nto allow greedy parents to capitalize on her death. The grandpa screwed up big way!