Man goes Overboard, Survives 15 hours

[KWofPerth]

Carnival cruise ship passenger’s miraculous survival after falling overboard | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

[smokeybandit]

I hate these articles that say he "fell overboard"

 

No one simply falls overboard.  To go overboard one:

 

1) Wanted to jump

2) Was pushed by someone else

3) Was doing something very stupid and felt the consequences

 

 

 

[tjcruisers]

If I was this individual the first thing he should do (assuming he gets release from medical center) is go down to the casino and make big bet. Has to be the luckiest person on the planet

[Vancity Cruiser]

3 hours ago, smokeybandit said:

I hate these articles that say he "fell overboard"

 

No one simply falls overboard.  To go overboard one:

 

1) Wanted to jump

2) Was pushed by someone else

3) Was doing something very stupid and felt the consequences

 

 

 

Totally agree! I’ve seen several accounts of this story but not one says how he went overboard. That’s an important part of the story as far as I’m concerned as one does not simply fall.

regardless, the fact he was located (in the darkness no less) when they had no idea where it happened is nothing short of miraculous 

[BigKarl]

4 hours ago, tjcruisers said:

If I was this individual the first thing he should do (assuming he gets release from medical center) is go down to the casino and make big bet. Has to be the luckiest person on the planet

Not if his intent was Suicide!  That would be like a Kamikaze pilot coming back from a successful mission.

[Matt]

On 11/27/2022 at 7:44 AM, smokeybandit said:

No one simply falls overboard

Amen. It's all but impossible to fall overboard a la some Scooby Doo bafoonery

[Zacharius]

On 11/27/2022 at 6:44 AM, smokeybandit said:

I hate these articles that say he "fell overboard"

 

No one simply falls overboard.  To go overboard one:

 

1) Wanted to jump

2) Was pushed by someone else

3) Was doing something very stupid and felt the consequences

 

I would say those are still "falling". You can fall because of something stupid. One can climb up the ladder a step too high and fall...it was both stupid, and a fall. 

[twangster]

A man at a bar at 11pm...  enough said. 

[smokeybandit]

1 hour ago, Matt said:

Amen. It's all but impossible to fall overboard a la some Scooby Doo bafoonery

[smokeybandit]

37 minutes ago, Zacharius said:

I would say those are still "falling". You can fall because of something stupid. One can climb up the ladder a step too high and fall...it was both stupid, and a fall. 

But "falling" off a cruise ship implies fault and liability by the cruise line.

[twangster]

20 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

But "falling" off a cruise ship implies fault and liability by the cruise line.

If they overserved him there may be some of that.  I'm sure our least favorite ambulance chasing law blogger is all over this.  

[twangster]

Now there is a report he was in the habit of getting in trouble for vaping on board.  

Apparently he told his rescuers he has no idea how he landed in the water.  

Family allegedly stated he was drunk at the time.  

[smokeybandit]

12 minutes ago, twangster said:

Now there is a report he was in the habit of getting in trouble for vaping on board.  

Apparently he told his rescuers he has no idea how he landed in the water.  

Family allegedly stated he was drunk at the time.  

I'm guessing his final moment on board may have looked something like this

[Zacharius]

43 minutes ago, smokeybandit said:

But "falling" off a cruise ship implies fault and liability by the cruise line.

I'm not a lawyer so I am not sure how that term would or would not implicate liability in court, but to me...falling does not, in itself, transfer liability to or from any individual or entity.

I climb in and around planes frequently because of my job...if I fall out of the wheel well, for example, that doesn't automatically mean that the owner of the plane is liable. They may be, they may not be, but the act of falling in itself doesn't automatically imply anything in my mind. 

[smokeybandit]

28 minutes ago, Zacharius said:

I'm not a lawyer so I am not sure how that term would or would not implicate liability in court, but to me...falling does not, in itself, transfer liability to or from any individual or entity.

I climb in and around planes frequently because of my job...if I fall out of the wheel well, for example, that doesn't automatically mean that the owner of the plane is liable. They may be, they may not be, but the act of falling in itself doesn't automatically imply anything in my mind. 

They key is location, on a cruise ship. There are just so many double standards for cruise ships compared to on land.   You falling out of a wheel well isn't going to get headlines that aim to show how unsafe being an aircraft mechanic is. But falling overboard on a cruise ship could get headlines of how dangerous cruise ships are.

[twangster]

ER rooms around the world are full of injured people having done something stupid.  Sure there are accident victims but there are also lots of people falling off ladders or cutting appendages on a table saw or sticking something somewhere it doesn't belong sort of thing.  Plenty of drunken ATV, snowmobilers, boaters and other "hold my beer" type folks.  Rarely would any of these daily ER "guests" make the news, unless it happened on a cruise ship.   Then they are front page news. 

[teddy]

Reading about the guy surviving reminds me of this incident

I was honorably discharged from this squadron...I almost extended my enlistment to go on this deployment but decided it was time to settle down, so I got out.

[twangster]

1 hour ago, teddy said:

Reading about the guy surviving reminds me of this incident

I was honorably discharged from this squadron...I almost extended my enlistment to go on this deployment but decided it was time to settle down, so I got out.

Thank you for your service!

[mom2mybugs]

6 hours ago, twangster said:

ER rooms around the world are full of injured people having done something stupid.  Sure there are accident victims but there are also lots of people falling off ladders or cutting appendages on a table saw or sticking something somewhere it doesn't belong sort of thing.  Plenty of drunken ATV, snowmobilers, boaters and other "hold my beer" type folks.  Rarely would any of these daily ER "guests" make the news, unless it happened on a cruise ship.   Then they are front page news. 

Of course…just like rotavirus is rampant on land but never covered, but every sneeze on a cruise ship is a plague.  Jane

[tonyfsu21]

The article recently published by People Magazine is an absolute embarrassment to the media and I’m actually ashamed I wasted three minutes of my valuable life reading it. How can you blatantly sidestep the fact that this idiot jumped off the ship either high or drunk out of his mind (best case)? Overall goal to once again portray the cruise industry as “dangerous” was successfully achieved.  

[Vancity Cruiser]

 

[smokeybandit]

So he claims he didn't drink much, but has no memory of even leaving the bar to go to the bathroom?

 

That doesn't add up at all.

[tjcruisers]

Watched the interview earlier in the day. Said that when he “came to” he was in the water with no boat in sight. His story makes no sense

[VACruiser]

I saw that interview too. He never answered the burning question that every one wants to know - how did you "fall off" the ship. From the uninitiated they would never question that interview; but for people who have been on cruise ships, they know how hard it would be to go into the water without purposely jumping. I'd have to think that he jumped and doesn't want to admit that to his family.

I also wonder how the ships cameras didn't catch his going overboard.

[Xaa]

For me, until the guy explicitly says "I didn't jump", I'm going to believe that he did.  Seems like a nice guy and he had his "come to jesus" moment and I'm glad that he's alive.  But the whole "I don't remember anything until I woke up in the water" garbage drains his credibility.

[twangster]

4 hours ago, VACruiser said:

I also wonder how the ships cameras didn't catch his going overboard.

Likely they did but that is being saved for the inevitable lawsuit which is also why he isn't saying how it happened. 

"I climbed up the railing" kills any chance of a lawsuit.  "I mysteriously ended up in the water" leaves the door open to seek an out of court settlement or else this could continue in the public court of opinion or into into actual courtroom.

[Done]

15 minutes ago, twangster said:

Likely they did but that is being saved for the inevitable lawsuit which is also why he isn't saying how it happened. 

"I climbed up the railing" kills any chance of a lawsuit.  "I mysteriously ended up in the water" leaves the door open to seek an out of court settlement or else this could continue in the public court of opinion or into into actual courtroom.

If that is the case the captain/crew on the ship have terrible ethics.  According to the news reports, they conducted a ship wide search for him before reporting him as a possible overboard passenger to the Coast Guard.  If they had video of the event and STILL delayed to notify the CG while conducting a search they knew was futile, that would be just BAD!

[TXcruzer]

1 hour ago, Toby said:

If that is the case the captain/crew on the ship have terrible ethics.  According to the news reports, they conducted a ship wide search for him before reporting him as a possible overboard passenger to the Coast Guard.  If they had video of the event and STILL delayed to notify the CG while conducting a search they knew was futile, that would be just BAD!

Your timeline here is skewed. First thing you do is a ship-wide search while CONCURRENTLY reviewing the video. 

How long do you think It takes to review 13 or so hours of video, from dozens of cameras???

Your accusation of a delay in reporting and bad ethics is preposterous. 

[twangster]

2 hours ago, Toby said:

If that is the case the captain/crew on the ship have terrible ethics.  According to the news reports, they conducted a ship wide search for him before reporting him as a possible overboard passenger to the Coast Guard.  If they had video of the event and STILL delayed to notify the CG while conducting a search they knew was futile, that would be just BAD!

The point I was making is that now, days after, the cruise line doesn't go national TV with their version and video evidence.  It will be kept privately unless its escalated by the guest into something more. 

[DoomSlayer]

39 minutes ago, twangster said:

The point I was making is that now, days after, the cruise line doesn't go national TV with their version and video evidence.  It will be kept privately unless its escalated by the guest into something more. 

Agree.  I am sure the Carnival's lawyers said not to offer much to the public in the form of statements, video footage, etc. that the courts (both legal and of public opinion) could twist and/or use against them.  Carnival already has a big black eye when it comes to problems caused by excessive drinking on their ships and I am sure they hope this story dies a relatively quick and quiet death.

[TXcruzer]

12 minutes ago, DoomSlayer said:

Agree.  I am sure the Carnival's lawyers said not to offer much to the public in the form of statements, video footage, etc. that the courts (both legal and of public opinion) could twist and/or use against them.  Carnival already has a big black eye when it comes to problems caused by excessive drinking on their ships and I am sure they hope this story dies a relatively quick and quiet death.

Examples of excessive drinking problems above and beyond any other main stream line??

[twangster]

44 minutes ago, TXcruzer said:

Examples of excessive drinking problems above and beyond any other main stream line??

A number of fights breaking out for several months. 

[DoomSlayer]

57 minutes ago, TXcruzer said:

Examples of excessive drinking problems above and beyond any other main stream line??

I think it is more about public perception and the court of public opinion than true examples.  Obviously, drinking occurs on all the cruise lines, but Carnival seems to have a bad reputation for incidents related to drinking more than the others in the public's view.  Carnival has had to limit their drink package and recently shut off full-bottle liquor sales to staterooms.

Carnival's John Heald made statements stating they are trying to improve "safety" with the alcohol policies. Why would he make these statements publicly if he wasn't trying to improve the public's perception about Carnival being known for alcohol related problems.

Carnival Cruise Line Makes a Major Beverage Change (msn.com)

 

[TXcruzer]

2 hours ago, twangster said:

A number of fights breaking out for several months. 

But hasn't Royal also had some fighting, and can we definitively blame any of it on excessive drinking?

 

Don't get me wrong, in the absence of facts to the contrary, I agree with y'all's interpretation of the events and the influence of alcohol.

[Roger L]

On 11/28/2022 at 11:07 AM, smokeybandit said:

But "falling" off a cruise ship implies fault and liability by the cruise line.

Which no doubt there will be a "fault and liability" suit against the cruise line.

[GatorCruiser]

He should have declined interviews and his “15 minutes of fame” could come back to haunt him in more ways than one 

[TXcruzer]

After the Wiegand lawsuit failure, this guy should realize the cruise line isn’t going to cut a check just to “make it go away”