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Hey all...I am new here but wanted to share my families experience on a recent cruise out of Port Liberty. It was the Oasis' maiden voyage out of NY (NJ). This was was only our second cruise and we really loved the first one but this one was so frustrating, IF we do cruise again on RC, it will not be for a long time...The issue was that there was essentially no major entertainment on board. Many of the scheduled things would fill up, but then disappear from the RC app...even if you were signed up. They kept moving times and canceling events. There was NO headliner show...they canceled "Cats"...there was NO show scheduled for the Aqua theater at all. We were able to catch some great music by Phoenix but they just kept rescheduling the same band because they had nothing else. They had 2 good comedians but they asked them to do a "family" show because they did not have another act to offer ( the comedian admitted he was asked to do it and warned the audience that it might not be that good because he does "adult stuff"). We did some trivia stuff which was fun during the day ( the prizes were highlighters by the way...embarrassing!!! Just say good job and let the fun be the reward). Maybe this was all due to covid (I don't buy it) but at least admit it. I did contact RC and they said "sorry". We had been looking forward to this trip for almost 3 years due to the need to reschedule due to covid....only to live on a floating restaurant for 7 days. Oh, and the adult drinks are 100% watered down FYI. Another passenger stated he threw a bartender a 20 and asked for a real drink....bartender pulled a separate bottle from under the counter and made a "real" mohito for him and my wife and it was VERY different. After a while it all made sense...water it all down so passengers don't get plastered...fine....but don't charge me 800 for 2 drink packages that are mostly filler. Let me be responsible. Sorry for rambling and I am sure many will see this post and attribute it to too high of expectations, but for a cruise line that wants the boat to be the destination...they sure failed. I am not sure I want to visit again. God Bless All and Happy 4th of July.

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Welcome

It's a shame you didn't find this blog prior to your sailing! 

If you had then you would have been able to read posts some months old by seasoned cruisers highlighting some of the issues you raise ie shows being cancelled or changed due to crew shortage or crew in isolation. 

I would imagine if you had joined earlier and read about this you may have decided not to cruise.

 

 

 

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Oh boy. A lot of red flags here that make me not believe the OP.

The comedian only does "adult stuff" and was forced into doing a family show? Never seen  a comic onboard that only does "adults only" shows. (Doesn't all booked talent "audition" for Nick Weir and/or his staff to be contracted? Surely, they would know what is expected of them before getting the job.)

The bartender pulled out a "separate bottle" from under the bar after being tipped? If you only knew how many new, sealed bottles of liquor have been opened right in front of my eyes! 😄

What kind of prize do you really expect for winning a trivia game? It's ALWAYS been highlighters, key chains, pens, and recently the "bag in a bag" shopping bags. Nothing of great value, just mementos.

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Wow....interesting....first time post and I am a liar...get corrected by an English teacher, and yeah...would have been nice to find this blog a long time ago, but I didn't. Never thought going on a cruise was for me as I am not often a people person. I assume most people are...well...not very nice. Thanks for the confirmation. The cruise was on May 1st and I was told by the staff it was the maiden voyage out of NJ. If that was Incorrect ....sorry. And yes SPS.....The comedians were asked to do the same shows....on the way back the seas were very rough and you can feel free to check other blogs as I did....as a matter of fact...

here is a review of the cruse we were on......enjoy.

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We were on Oasis for 3 weeks straight in October 2021, not too long after they started up, also out of Cape Liberty, and we saw the Aqua show so many times I can still mime the routine! Ice show, Cats, comedy etc all when on as usually. Capacity in the venues was reduced, and Aqua was moved when weather dictated, but other than the marvelously low number of passengers, it was business as usual. The post is highly suspect, IMHO.

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The Bartender pulled out a separate bottle from underneath the bar after being tipped with $20 dollars cash????? LMAO!!!!!

There was no shows scheduled in the Aqua Theater at all??? According to the OP Royal didn't cancel the Aqua Theater shows they never even scheduled them. 

Whoever this person is you have admire their commitment to posting this trash every week to 10 days, the hit and runs keep getting more and more outlandish.

At this point I read them only to laugh at the ridiculousness of the post. 

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Wow...really....at the 1:52 mark of the video there is a picture of people waiting to get on the boat. Under the arrow sign you can see me and my family as we wait. Not sure why I need to convince you that I am telling you about MY experience but hey....you all probably work for RC and just bad mouth people who did not have a great experience. I do appreciate those responses that are not rude or accusatory. And YES, JasonOasis...there was NO Aqua theater scheduled...they tried to have PHOENIX perform there on one night but couldn't get the sound right.  Just out of curiosity, why would I make this up? For what benefit? Sorry we did not have a great experience on this cruise...I guess I am sorry too for sharing. Glad salty law dog`s cruises were all perfect, glad I can make you laugh, Jason Oasis and ALT D, if you were on the May 1st cruise then you didn't watch Cats...I guess later In May RC figured it out and I am happy you saw the show. Just because you got to experience it doesn't mean others did.

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I was on the May 1st sailing of Oasis out of NJ, it’s first of the season. There was a new staff for the Aqua show, they were in their second week of training and were not scheduled to show. However they did an awful lot of practice and put on a wonderful nearly full rehearsal show,NOT billed as a full show-nor was it, but I’ve seen Aqua before and it was pretty darn good. I think this was an announcement, or it may have been in the cruise compass.   I was with 2 friends who had never seen the show and they were in awe.  

As for Cats, I think they had cast that were sick and cancelled it, nothing that hadn’t happened with other shows on many of the other sailings I’ve done since August.

the comedians were the best I’ve seen on Royal, Paul Ogata was funny as heck, the other guy was good  as well.    I did not see them in the theater  I saw them in the adult nightclub   I liked them so much I went back and stood on the standby line to see them again 

the problem with the app is there are no notifications of cancellations.  The cruise compass had up to date info, but that doesn’t help if you don’t get it (it’s not always delivered to everyone) or if you just don’t expect to see the changes because we’ve been trained to use the app. They do make the announcements about changes but I typically never hear them (why they just can’t post it somewhere and put changes on the tv is beyond me)

frozen in Time ran as did the Hush party…I’m sure other things ran as well but I did spend time on the casino so did not go to everything.
 

as for the prizes, you must not sail RC, typically it’s a keychain, pen or highlighter for trivia. It’s somewhat a running joke.     I’ve seen them do medals, water bottles and backpacks but those are the “big game shows”, not trivia.

regarding alcohol, I try my best to remember to ask for the top shelf alcohol.  I’ve watched bartenders make drinks with the jigger and no extra pour (stay away from the white shirts (management)or anyone working next to a white shirt) and I’ve tipped with each drink.  Some bartenders make better drinks than others. 

this is not an easy time to go back to sailing.  I’ve done many cruises since August and all have been very different experiences.  It’s unfortunate that  Covid has had a huge impact on the sailing experience and that this cruise also had the change of staff impacting Aqua.  

 

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Thank you Pattycruise for your honest reply. As I stated...the highlighter was just ridiculous...have the fun be the prize. As I also stated, this was only our second cruise. We did rely heavily on the app. Maybe that was our mistake...we kept trying to schedule laser tag and then the times would change to our " My time dining " or just disappear so we never got to do them. My wife and I did see the comedians for the 18+ show...you will see on day 7, the same comedians for the " family show"...Rick D'elia came right out and stated they were asked to do the show and he would do his best but he does adult comedy. As I originally stated that so many have accused me of lying...no Auqa show (we did not know of a rehearsal...glad someone got to enjoy it since it was posted nowhere)...No Cats...so now My experiences were confirmed, I just must be lying about the Drink package issue. 

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5 hours ago, Sifsig said:

Hey all...I am new here but wanted to share my families experience on a recent cruise out of Port Liberty. It was the Oasis' maiden voyage out of NY (NJ). This was was only our second cruise and we really loved the first one but this one was so frustrating, IF we do cruise again on RC, it will not be for a long time...

I am sorry you had a frustrating experience.  For the record, the smaller ships have production shows with Royal Caribbean Singers and Dancers (in addition to guest performers).  We have never been disappointed with them.  Voyager and Freedom class ships still have many activities to enjoy.   Vision and Radiance class ships have a delightful atmosphere as well (I love the Centrum).  So don't get hung up on the big ships.  

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ChessE4...that is great advice I think...we sailed in the Anthem and LOVED it...thought bigger was better and discovered that might not be the truth. It is just a struggle...we thought cruising was a great value after our first cruise (food was always good, staff was always amazing), but after our second (maybe we just expected too much), we just are not sure. We are not made of money and do not have weeks upon weeks of time off so we really value our vacations...this experience was just rough in the end because so many thing did not happen that we expected would be included. In time we might give it another shot but this experience is still a little raw...

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1 hour ago, Sifsig said:

ChessE4...that is great advice I think...we sailed in the Anthem and LOVED it...thought bigger was better and discovered that might not be the truth. It is just a struggle...we thought cruising was a great value after our first cruise (food was always good, staff was always amazing), but after our second (maybe we just expected too much), we just are not sure. We are not made of money and do not have weeks upon weeks of time off so we really value our vacations...this experience was just rough in the end because so many thing did not happen that we expected would be included. In time we might give it another shot but this experience is still a little raw...

As you titled the thread, I feel people who are expecting the full, uninterupted cruise experience should wait to cruise. I have been on 5 cruises since the 'restart' and all have had shows cancelled, activitys cancelled or limited, dining limited etc......

As a cruise lover I still felt it was worth going on the cruises even though I really missed out on entertainment. However, I can fully understand why people may not want to cruise right now with a 'limited' experience.

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I didn't call you a liar, I just pointed out how you signed up to complain about a cruise way after the fact.

I sailed Harmony in star class in Jan 2022, hardly any shows and the headliner was a hot mess express. Not to mention they were down a genie and so my first Star class experience was a bit lackluster. However, I had done research and knew that things weren't going to be a particular way.

You said this was your second cruise, if the first was before the restart and knowing you had to test, be vax etc.......I would have done a bunch of research. If it was your second after the restart, you would have known that even in May things regarding cruising were in flux. I am in no way saying you are a liar or that I don't value your opinion. I just am always confused as to why people go to "pro" places and try to be "con?" People who frequent this site know that for a while cruising was only for those who "could" and "would".......i.e be vaxxed and willing to put up with the restrictions and limitations. 

 

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Ampurp85, interesting point but your logic is a little flawed. First, I never mentioned you or your statement in any of my rebuttals, therefore I never stated that you called me a liar. My first cruise was pre-covid, my second cruise was scheduled pre-covid as well. It was canceled at the beginning of this "pandemic". In the end we were canceled multiple times and had to reschedule to May 1st of this year. Accordingly, the vast majority of information emanating from the cruise industry was that "normal" was returning. That being said it is irrelevant. I am the customer and if you are offering something other than what is advertised it needs to be clearly stated so the customer can make an informed decision. The problem arises with expectations. I expect to receive what I paid for...truthfully, if I was warned by the Industry or more specifically RC about the possibility that their offering might be limited due to covid issues, I might be more prepared and lower my expectations and dealt with the change. As noted the Aqua theater was not even scheduled...yet as Pattycruise stated the performers were there and practiced. Based on those who accused me of lying and went on the following week's cruise, I assume there was a show the next cruise. So based on this knowledge, covid was not the issue. Cats was scheduled but canceled due to performers illness...funny we jump to assume it was covid. It was not. I do know what the issue was and I hope the performer gets the help they need...but it was not covid. Again, we must stop blaming failures on a pandemic that has largely  been an non- issue for most of 2022. In May of 2022...the only "limitation" was the vaccine requirement. All other restrictions were removed. Nothing on the ship was reduced, altered or limited...it was fully staffed. The failures here are 100% RC's. Yes, I went to have a "pro" time and expected as such. My post is simply to share my experience and suggest that if you, as a customer should, expect what you paid for...it might be best to wait for RC to try to get its show together. I did not frequent this site and this is my first post after signing up today. If I purchased a new car but had to wait for it to be built (for whatever reason) I would understand if when it arrived it was missing a floor mat. Forgivable and fixable...Now if it arrives without a steering wheel,  it was not what it was billed and we have a problem.

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So a multi billion dollar corporation is watering customers drinks down as part of a standard operating procedure? This is quite a stretch to think that RC would waste their time on nonsense like this. Come on! Is this necessary when you charge $9 for a beer and $15 for a mixed drink????? 

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All I can tell you is what happened...believe what you will...but I can tell you if you drink 3 margaritas on a cruise, that's the same as 3 margaritas at chili's? Guess my liver just works better on vacation. Seriously though, I sat there and watched the whole thing...I tried my wife's (bought) drink and it was much different than what she was drinking before. And yes...it does make sense. Control the amount of alcohol, keep those (possibly many) that will over indulge in check, keep the family friendly cruise theme intact, save money and maybe more importantly space on the ship. I am not saying they water down the bottles....when I wanted a straight boubon, I notice it came off the shelf...a mixed drink the bottles were under the counter. I never looked, noticed or even thought about it until the gentleman I met on the cruise " tipped" for the good stuff. Is there another explanation? Possibility, and I would consider it, if it were presented, but after this experience and watching closely...the pieces fit. That being said, if you purchased a drink package and felt the need to get hammered...it is all you can drink. Even watered down I am sure you can get there if there is a desire. But watered down drinks actually make the drink package more desirable since you need to drink more in order to feel any effect. Just saying.

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Research, research, research... Our cruise in April had all but one headliner show cancelled and we were well aware that could happen before we ever got there. If the shows were our main draw, then we probably would have canceled rather than take the chance. But we decided there was enough to do on board to make for a good vacation. But we made an educated choice. And were also aware that this is a problem across all lines. The way things are right now it's not the time to "Book it" and "forget it until the day before boarding." If that's what you are looking for, then yes, maybe wait a couple of years before returning to cruising.

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As for the ship being fully staffed in May, then consider yourself very lucky. We have been on over 20 cruises since last September, with 3 on the Enchantment in April and early May, 1  on the Quantum in late May,  and 2 on the Liberty and 1 on the Grandeur, in June. We did not notice any staffing issues until we boarded the Enchantment, and the problem seemed to be that there was not enough staff for the large amount of people boarding the ship (the first cruise was during Easter week.)  The Windjammer was packed, and the wait staff was desperately trying to keep up with cleaning the tables and stocking the food. The servers in the MDR also had to wait on more tables than usual, thus slowing down service for all their guests.  Those 3 cruises remain in my mind as being woefully understaffed, with the confirmation about their staffing issues coming from the hotel director and the restaurant manager themselves (we spoke with them about it.)  Since April, there has been a steady increase in the amount of guests on the ships we have sailed, and I don't think that Royal has been able to hire enough staff to  fully cover this increase. Yes, service has improved in May and June, but I don't know if they have "caught up" yet. I hope so!

I also do not mean to sound snarky, but we were on a 4-day cruise on the Oasis (out of Miami) in early November, and we saw most of "Cats." This musical doesn't make a lot of sense anyway (in my humble opinion) but 3/4 of the way through the show, there was a long buzzing noise, the lights flickered off, and someone came out on the stage to announce that they were having technical difficulties and to please wait. Maybe 10 minutes later, the same person reappeared, and said the show was over for the evening. So, with the show being what it was, I don't think that you missed all that much. Oh, I forgot to mention that the sound was "off" throughout the performance anyway; it was loud but distorted.  

We also lost seeing the last 10-15 minutes of the Aqua Show because the rough ocean was making the pools that the high divers dive into, splash way too much and it would have been very dangerous for them to perform. 

Yes, we weren't thrilled with both these events, but we understand that some things happen that are out of Royal's control. 

We are obviously "frequent" cruisers and we play trivia (a lot!) on the ships. Before we sailed with Royal, we played trivia on Carnival and NCL ships. Carnival offers plastic "ships on a stick" and NCL had some kind of punch-card system, where at the end of the cruise, you went to a little store and redeemed your card for prizes. The issue was that they had only 1 size of t-shirt available - XXL. It fit me as a dress, not a shirt, lol. As far as I know, Royal gave the same prizes in 2019 as they do now. Oh well. We often give away our prizes (keychain, etc.) to nearby folks - usually kids, and they seem happy enough with them. 

Finally, no pandemic to blame? Hmm...I doubt that. In January, we were on the Adventure for several B2B cruises. Many staff members, including the Entertainment Team (Trivia Hosts, Ice Skaters, Orchestra musicians), guest performers (one of the "Oh What a Night" performers had to fly home after testing positive) and even the Cruise Director tested positive and were quarantined, either on that ship or on the Serenade.  The pandemic also drags on. It's reached "high" levels in my county once again, and guess what? I tested positive after returning from my last cruise and I am isolating and recovering at home right now. 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Sifsig said:

Guess my liver just works better on vacation.

I noticed this "phenomenon" too when I started going for the drink package, but you have to remember they pour drinks differently than at home.

Watch them pour a cocktail. They will take the measuring cup and pour exactly one shot of the liquor in there (with maybe an extra splash).  That's what the drink recipe calls for. 

At home, I'd pour much more than that because I wouldn't measure.

But as you said, with the unlimited drink package, you can certainly keep going to make up the difference. 

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1 hour ago, Matt said:

I noticed this "phenomenon" too when I started going for the drink package, but you have to remember they pour drinks differently than at home.

Watch them pour a cocktail. They will take the measuring cup and pour exactly one shot of the liquor in there (with maybe an extra splash).  That's what the drink recipe calls for. 

At home, I'd pour much more than that because I wouldn't measure.

But as you said, with the unlimited drink package, you can certainly keep going to make up the difference. 

Not just one's liver - I don't know about you guys but on a cruise we eat richer food than we usually do (and more, to be honest) which affects alcohol absorption in the stomach. Also we tend to drink frou-frou drinks during the day, which include more ice, fruit juices and other mixers that water drinks down.

I understand your concern about the bar tender pulling out a different bottle, but as a professional bar tender (and drinker *cough*) RC crew do not water down bottles of booze. The well stuff is awful and often lower proof than the call stuff but that is true in every bar. It's their adherence to the jigger that does it - most bar tenders not strictly required to use a jigger (either metal like on ship or those awful plastic measures they use in many airports that count each pour so the bar tender CAN'T give you a stronger drink without charging you for it) use a count system and often the count works in the patron's favor. 

The different bottle from under the bar? A higher proof. Rum for example goes from 55 to 151 proof. Vodka runs about 60 to 125 proof. Unless it's really fruity and frozen try to always specify the alcohol, not just from a "stronger drink" perspective but also so you know what it will do to you the next morning when you've been drinking all day. 

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@Sifsig It sucks that you had a sub par experience onboard with regards to the entertainment. A lot of different factors can come into play with regards to your experience on board. 

My family trip on the the Oasis OTS in June the entertainment was great. But I will say that there were some staffing issues as 1) There were nearly 6000 passangers on board and I was able to see that the MDR staff seemed a bit overwhelmed especially on day one. It did get better later on as less people were dining at the MDR as passengers went to other restaurants. 2) We got very lucky in that the weather was agreeable for us. We had smooth sailing majority of the cruise. 

One suggestion is for you not to write off royal due to one experience. If port liberty is going to be your main port to sail out of I would also suggest trying the Fall/Winter cruise on the Anthem OTS. Though the ports are the same its a different ship and you will have a different experience. 

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We had friends on the May 1st Oasis sailing (this was our original sailing date too but we had to postpone to June) and can confirm that Cats was cancelled due to some of the cast being ill and as someone already mentioned, the Aqua80 cast was new to Oasis and was unfortunately not ready to perform that week - but from what I heard they still impressed with their rehearsals!! Fast forward to our cruise in June, we had an absolutely phenomenal experience on Oasis - no complaints (except the hallway carpets could maybe need replacing) staff amazing, super hard working and never felt overcrowded even though I’m pretty sure we were close to max capacity. I agree, don’t write off Royal based on this anomaly week … we’ve already booked Oasis for next month and July of next year!

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2 hours ago, Riley said:

I understand your concern about the bar tender pulling out a different bottle, but as a professional bar tender (and drinker *cough*) RC crew do not water down bottles of booze. The well stuff is awful and often lower proof than the call stuff but that is true in every bar. It's their adherence to the jigger that does it - most bar tenders not strictly required to use a jigger (either metal like on ship or those awful plastic measures they use in many airports that count each pour so the bar tender CAN'T give you a stronger drink without charging you for it) use a count system and often the count works in the patron's favor. 

You're totally right. Great example is my beloved Kraken rum.  I always buy the 94 proof at home, but Royal serves the 70 proof onboard.

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My issue isn't the hard liqour, I'm always specific with my requests (my wife is Tito's, I'm Bombay Sapphire), but it's the beer selection.  I've railed on this in the past, but it's definitely a pain point for me.  It would be nice to have an occasional IPA offering, or a seasonal brew.  But we just keep getting the Bud, Bud Light, Miller Light, Corona, Coors Light, etc.  There's a whole world of beer out there and there's plenty of good commercial beer to stock up with.  Yeah, the Pubs sometimes have other choices, but those choices have remained stagnant for years and I don't always want to be in the Pub.  A few years ago, the pub on Serenade had an IPA, I may have single handedly wiped out what they had in stock.

 I'll be happy to become the Royal Beer Guy if they need some help.🍻

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17 minutes ago, PatsFanBrian said:

My issue isn't the hard liqour, I'm always specific with my requests (my wife is Tito's, I'm Bombay Sapphire), but it's the beer selection.  I've railed on this in the past, but it's definitely a pain point for me.  It would be nice to have an occasional IPA offering, or a seasonal brew.  But we just keep getting the Bud, Bud Light, Miller Light, Corona, Coors Light, etc.  There's a whole world of beer out there and there's plenty of good commercial beer to stock up with.  Yeah, the Pubs sometimes have other choices, but those choices have remained stagnant for years and I don't always want to be in the Pub.  A few years ago, the pub on Serenade had an IPA, I may have single handedly wiped out what they had in stock.

 I'll be happy to become the Royal Beer Guy if they need some help.🍻

MisterZ is with you here! Just off Jewel where they actually had Newcastle Nut Brown Ale on draft in the Schooner Bar. He was over the moon! 

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16 minutes ago, KristiZ said:

MisterZ is with you here! Just off Jewel where they actually had Newcastle Nut Brown Ale on draft in the Schooner Bar. He was over the moon! 

 

27 minutes ago, PatsFanBrian said:

My issue isn't the hard liqour, I'm always specific with my requests (my wife is Tito's, I'm Bombay Sapphire), but it's the beer selection.  I've railed on this in the past, but it's definitely a pain point for me.  It would be nice to have an occasional IPA offering, or a seasonal brew.  But we just keep getting the Bud, Bud Light, Miller Light, Corona, Coors Light, etc.  There's a whole world of beer out there and there's plenty of good commercial beer to stock up with.  Yeah, the Pubs sometimes have other choices, but those choices have remained stagnant for years and I don't always want to be in the Pub.  A few years ago, the pub on Serenade had an IPA, I may have single handedly wiped out what they had in stock.

 I'll be happy to become the Royal Beer Guy if they need some help.🍻

My first post here to tell you I 100% agree with this.  Then to my surprise, I had a B2B on Odyssey in February and was shocked to find Terrapin Hopsecutioner on draft in Playmakers.  I would love to find something like this in the Pub on other ships.  Like you I had to rely on cans of Stone IPA or Sierra Nevada Pale Ale in the Pub on all previous cruises.  

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40 minutes ago, YOLO said:

Start Line (Hopkinton) and Greater Good (Worcester) are good too.  YES to VT - they have has some great ones...

I've been to the Start Line brewery, it's a short ride for me.  Wormtown is my other favorite.  Jack's Abbey in Framingham has some really good brews.  Wachusett in Fitchburg is excellent.  If you're ever looking for a micro-brewery, Craft Roots in Milford is one of my favorite spots.

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