Oliver Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 The Pfizer Vaccine is now approved for all ages from 5 to 11. Will Royal Caribbean require ages 5 and up now require to be vaccinated soon? I certainly hope so. B&S, WAAAYTOOO and Kirsten 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Pats Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 20 minutes ago, Oliver said: The Pfizer Vaccine is now approved for all ages from 5 to 11. Will Royal Caribbean require ages 5 and up now require to be vaccinated soon? I certainly hope so. I don't see it happening before the beginning of the year, at the earliest to allow time for the kids to get vaccinated AND maximize on the holiday sailings with families. After that, who knows what will happen. Neesa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 And if they do require it, will they get rid of mask mandates to make up for it? Baked Alaska and WAAAYTOOO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHollyS Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 Not gonna lie. I have already back tracked my final date to be fully vaxed for my kids in time for our cruise. It is the 17th of this month. Hoski, MamaShark and Baked Alaska 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Posted October 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 7 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: And if they do require it, will they get rid of mask mandates to make up for it? I don’t see how one thing has to do with another. Most people on board are already over the age of 12 and they haven’t removed mask mandates yet for them. SummerRose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neesa Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 1.4 million dollar loss reported today, no way they implement this in time for the Holidays.. I believe this loss is larger then they thought they would sustain and this is the main reason the CWC was extended as well as the other extensions. That being as it may I am sailing on Thanksgiving and have no worries about any unvaccinated kiddos. I personally am looking forward to the anticipated joy this week will bring. I respect everyone's choice to do what they will for their family and I for one will not be afraid or treat them any differently, I sure didn't like it when my child was treated like a leper in June on our Adventure sailing while wearing her band of the unvaxed. Family Holiday here we come. LizzyBee23, Mrs. RoyalMoyal, Baked Alaska and 6 others 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, Oliver said: I don’t see how one thing has to do with another. Most people on board are already over the age of 12 and they haven’t removed mask mandates yet for them. Adding new restrictions to protocols that have already seen essentially zero cases found on board seems overkill without removing others. Neesa, Nate Y, WAAAYTOOO and 3 others 4 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWofPerth Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 If literally everyone onboard is vaccinated AND tests negative prior to boarding, can the masks rule not be relaxed? Baked Alaska, Nate Y, WAAAYTOOO and 3 others 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oliver Posted October 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 4 minutes ago, KWofPerth said: If literally everyone onboard is vaccinated AND tests negative prior to boarding, can the masks rule not be relaxed? It would make sense to me. However remember that the vaccine still isn’t approved for kids until 5. And there is still the risk of asymptomatic people. But eventually the risk is going to be so low that the rules will be relaxed. MichelleB1234 and KWofPerth 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KWofPerth Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 34 minutes ago, Oliver said: It would make sense to me. However remember that the vaccine still isn’t approved for kids until 5. And there is still the risk of asymptomatic people. But eventually the risk is going to be so low that the rules will be relaxed. Oops, I forgot about the under-5s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMarc Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 I am going to make a prediction that has no basis in fact. I predict the February protocols will require children to be vaccinated and that the mask requirements/recommendations will be relaxed inside, unless there is a new increase in cases. If there is, I would expect the mask rules to remain the same, they are not going to change something that is working. And like it or not, agree with it or not, it is working. They would be kind of silly to say "this is working, but let's change it and see if people get sick or die." WannaCruise, Hoppy2cruise, sammy79 and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GKMCruising Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 5 hours ago, Oliver said: The Pfizer Vaccine is now approved for all ages from 5 to 11. Will Royal Caribbean require ages 5 and up now require to be vaccinated soon? I certainly hope so. FDA approval, not CDC approval. I imagine the second is coming, but it's not a done deal just yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenneth Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 So here's a question to everyone. What are your feelings going to be when they drop the vaccination requirements? Because let's be real no cruise line will always require vaccination for a flu type virus. I personally could care less if someone is vaccinated because it is their choice and must do what is best in their eyes. Neesa, ctigerk, B&S and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 Please do not comment on the efficacy of masks, vaccines, mayonnaise, or anything Covid related. This is not allowed on this forum, period. sammy79, GKMCruising, RWDW1204 and 11 others 9 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 37 minutes ago, Kenneth said: What are your feelings going to be when they drop the vaccination requirements? UNCFanatik, Neesa, cruisellama and 3 others 2 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXcruzer Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 16 hours ago, Oliver said: It would make sense to me. However remember that the vaccine still isn’t approved for kids until 5. And there is still the risk of asymptomatic people. But eventually the risk is going to be so low that the rules will be relaxed. 15 hours ago, KWofPerth said: Oops, I forgot about the under-5s How many children under the age of 5 on a typical cruise? Less that 5% of total passenger count I would bet; so that would be enough for a mask free cruise under current regulations; let alone potentially less draconian measures post January 15, 22 ChrisK2793 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXcruzer Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 12 hours ago, GKMCruising said: FDA approval, not CDC approval. I imagine the second is coming, but it's not a done deal just yet. It will be done by Wednesday, November 3 at the latest; my clinic is already taking appointments for late next week. Marlena, Hoski, Neesa and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Done Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 20 hours ago, smokeybandit said: Adding new restrictions to protocols that have already seen essentially zero cases found on board seems overkill without removing others. The CDC document released justifying their extension of the Conditional Sail Order reported many cases of COVID-19 infection of both crew and passengers on cruises with > 96% vaccination rates of passengers and 100% vaccination rate for the crews. The CDC did not name the cruise lines by name but what is apparent is the cruise lines were obligated to reported the infection data to the CDC but did release the same information to the general public. I understand the business reasons to keep the infection data close to the vest. It also reveals cruising is not as risk free as it seems. I would like the cruise lines to be more forthcoming with infection rate information so we all can decide for ourselves what the risks are and we are willing to take. https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/cruise/pdf/CDC-CSO-Extension-10-25-21-p.pdf pcvchristine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNCFanatik Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 18 minutes ago, rcrabb said: The CDC document released justifying their extension of the Conditional Sail Order reported many cases of COVID-19 infection of both crew and passengers on cruises with > 96% vaccination rates of passengers and 100% vaccination rate for the crews. The CDC did not name the cruise lines by name but what is apparent is the cruise lines were obligated to reported the infection data to the CDC but did release the same information to the general public. I understand the business reasons to keep the infection data close to the vest. It also reveals cruising is not as risk free as it seems. I would like the cruise lines to be more forthcoming with infection rate information so we all can decide for ourselves what the risks are and we are willing to take. https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/cruise/pdf/CDC-CSO-Extension-10-25-21-p.pdf If you choose to sail during a pandemic, you have to be able to assume some level of risk because the cruise lines cannot guarantee that you will not get Covid while on the ship just like they could never guarantee that you wouldnt get sick in the past from any number of illnesses. Even when Covid becomes endemic, it will join a list of respiratory viruses that one can catch anywhere including a cruise ship. I agree that cruise lines should be as transparent as possible but the ultimate responsibility falls on the consumer and its up to the customer how much risk they are willing to assume Hoski, fireclan and GKMCruising 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlena Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 9 hours ago, TXcruzer said: It will be done by Wednesday, November 3 at the latest; my clinic is already taking appointments for late next week. Here in Canada we are hopefully only a few weeks behind! KWofPerth 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSB_Z51 Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 23 hours ago, Matt said: Please do not comment on the efficacy of masks, vaccines, mayonnaise, or anything Covid related. This is not allowed on this forum, period. Mayonnaise? SpeedNoodles and AHollyS 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 1 hour ago, JSB_Z51 said: Mayonnaise? Mayo or miracle whip can cause brutal arguments ……I’ve said too much JSB_Z51, AHollyS, WesKinetic and 7 others 1 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcvchristine Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 19 hours ago, rcrabb said: The CDC document released justifying their extension of the Conditional Sail Order reported many cases of COVID-19 infection of both crew and passengers on cruises with > 96% vaccination rates of passengers and 100% vaccination rate for the crews. The CDC did not name the cruise lines by name but what is apparent is the cruise lines were obligated to reported the infection data to the CDC but did release the same information to the general public. I understand the business reasons to keep the infection data close to the vest. It also reveals cruising is not as risk free as it seems. I would like the cruise lines to be more forthcoming with infection rate information so we all can decide for ourselves what the risks are and we are willing to take. https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/cruise/pdf/CDC-CSO-Extension-10-25-21-p.pdf This is an interesting read, thank you for sharing it. Especially the recounting of situations where people boarded ships despite knowing they were symptomatic and later causing a number of breakthrough infections. Unfortunately, some people are just not going to do the right thing, so I understand why both the cruise lines and the CDC want certain protocols in place. MamaShark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXcruzer Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 17 minutes ago, teddy said: Mayo or miracle whip can cause brutal arguments ……I’ve said too much The first rule of "sandwich club" is....................... SpeedNoodles, Linda R, AHollyS and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
melmar02 Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, TXcruzer said: The first rule of "sandwich club" is....................... ...use mustard instead. emmef, teddy, KWofPerth and 5 others 3 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 2 hours ago, JSB_Z51 said: Mayonnaise? Aioli or bust pcvchristine, teddy and JSB_Z51 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorskin76 Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 7 hours ago, Canadian-Cruiser said: Unless one wants to cruise, fly or take a train in Canada. As of OCT 30 this is now required for all domestic travel. Ultimately if one wants to travel, this is how it will be so don't limit oneself based on ones own choices. Look, these posts aren’t in the spirit of the rule to not discuss this topic. Lovetocruise2002, MichelleB1234 and Jax 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rene Desmarais Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 Won't be till end of November we'll hear about Canada's decision on vaxing 5 - 11yrs children.. I hope Royal doesn't change the requirements for kids on our Jan 10th sailing. What about 3rd dose for adults? Canada (B.C) has started, I believe Ontario is looking into. is that going to cause issues? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 Moderna's 6-11 yr old trial is now delayed into next year due to myocarditis concerns. Pfizer also had myocarditis concerns but they pushed forward anyway. WAAAYTOOO, Neesa and Rene Desmarais 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 2 hours ago, smokeybandit said: Moderna's 6-11 yr old trial is now delayed into next year due to myocarditis concerns. Pfizer also had myocarditis concerns but they pushed forward anyway. Cmon dude, that's a rather sensationalist take on Pfizer "Most cases after the vaccine have occurred in younger males and required hospitalization, federal health officials say, though the data suggests cases remain "rare" and typically subside on their own within a day." In all of the scenarios that the FDA modeled, the agency estimated that Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine would more frequently prevent COVID-related cases in children than cause "excess myocarditis cases." Most importantly: "After reducing the size of its dose, Pfizer said its trials had turned up mostly mild side effects, no new safety concerns, and no cases of myocarditis or pericarditis." Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-kids-myocarditis-risk/ MichelleB1234, Lovetocruise2002, sammy79 and 7 others 7 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovetocruise2002 Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 6 hours ago, Rene Desmarais said: I believe Ontario is looking into. is that going to cause issues? They (provincial government) are supposed to announce something this week for boosters for all Ontarians. Matt and Rene Desmarais 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 I watched the entire FDA discussuin that day and there was more than one panelist concerned about myocarditis, especially in scenario 3. The panel approved it because they all knew there were scenarios for high risk kids where the vaccine was needed. But they weren't allowed to vote conditionally, it was all or nothing. Probably half the panel had a concern that there wasn't enough data yet for various aspects. UNCFanatik, fireclan, JSB_Z51 and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TXcruzer Posted November 2, 2021 Report Share Posted November 2, 2021 CDC just voted unanimously (14-0) to recommend the Pfizer vaccine for ages 5-11. KWofPerth, pcvchristine, Canadian-Cruiser and 4 others 2 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AHollyS Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 I already have my kids appointments set for there shots. We will all be able to get off the boat!! MamaShark, sammy79, MichelleB1234 and 3 others 3 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregD Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 I fully expect kids will be required to be vaccinated after a delay to allow people to get their shots. Richard Fain has always put out that vaccines are the way to get back to "normal cruising" so I don't expect him to back down from that. My son has his appointments scheduled already, and my daughter was in the Pfizer trial, so we just need to have her unblinding appointment. We will be all set for our upcoming cruise in February. KWofPerth, sammy79, MTNeedsAVacay and 4 others 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNCFanatik Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 23 minutes ago, GregD said: I fully expect kids will be required to be vaccinated after a delay to allow people to get their shots. Richard Fain has always put out that vaccines are the way to get back to "normal cruising" so I don't expect him to back down from that. My son has his appointments scheduled already, and my daughter was in the Pfizer trial, so we just need to have her unblinding appointment. We will be all set for our upcoming cruise in February. Good luck with that business strategy. We will see how this rollout with children's vaccines go and how many parents have their children vaccinated. If it is a low percentage, dont expect the cruise lines to require vaccinations for those under 12. To do so, would eliminate family market and MANY cancellations will follow. I expect Fain to look at the bottom line. What would benefit Royal more is accepting natural acquired immunity in place of vaccinations ChrisK2793 and WAAAYTOOO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pcvchristine Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 As Matt had said many times, nobody knows for sure what Royal is going to do until they announce a policy change. Until then, this is all speculation, and mostly speculation that is colored by folks personal and political opinions about vaccine mandates. SummerRose, Matt, sammy79 and 5 others 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XtremeGK Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 11/1/2021 at 5:50 PM, Matt said: Cmon dude, that's a rather sensationalist take on Pfizer "Most cases after the vaccine have occurred in younger males and required hospitalization, federal health officials say, though the data suggests cases remain "rare" and typically subside on their own within a day." In all of the scenarios that the FDA modeled, the agency estimated that Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine would more frequently prevent COVID-related cases in children than cause "excess myocarditis cases." Most importantly: "After reducing the size of its dose, Pfizer said its trials had turned up mostly mild side effects, no new safety concerns, and no cases of myocarditis or pericarditis." Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-kids-myocarditis-risk/ Also important, and oft-"overlooked," point: COVID-19 causes myocarditis. I didn't dig to find the studies, but there are studies out there that show the risk of myocarditis from COVID-19 is higher than the risk of myocarditis from the vaccine. Some additional source info: Study: Myocarditis risk 37 times higher for children with COVID-19 than uninfected peers | American Academy of Pediatrics (aappublications.org) DJsMrs, MichelleB1234, WAAAYTOOO and 2 others 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SummerRose Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 2 hours ago, pcvchristine said: Until then, this is all speculation, and mostly speculation that is colored by folks personal and political opinions about vaccine mandates. THIS! MTNeedsAVacay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMarc Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 On 11/1/2021 at 4:50 PM, Matt said: Cmon dude, that's a rather sensationalist take on Pfizer "Most cases after the vaccine have occurred in younger males and required hospitalization, federal health officials say, though the data suggests cases remain "rare" and typically subside on their own within a day." In all of the scenarios that the FDA modeled, the agency estimated that Pfizer's COVID-19 vaccine would more frequently prevent COVID-related cases in children than cause "excess myocarditis cases." Most importantly: "After reducing the size of its dose, Pfizer said its trials had turned up mostly mild side effects, no new safety concerns, and no cases of myocarditis or pericarditis." Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vaccine-kids-myocarditis-risk/ Thank you! MamaShark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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