WAAAYTOOO Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 Not sure when (or even if) this change was made, but I just read on CC that fully vaccinated guests are now required to test 2 days prior to boarding as opposed to 3 days. It looks like vaxxed now have a choice between 2 day prior pre-test or being tested at the pier. Can anyone find a link to verify this ? It also contains requirements for unvaccinated (presumably children under the age of 12) for B2B sailings...which I guess is good news for those who are hoping to take children on B2B. cruisellama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 So if you're vaccinated, your window is 2 days, but if not vaccinated, it's 3 days? Um that math doesn't quite add up to me cruisellama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 Here's what it was yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted August 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 14 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: So if you're vaccinated, your window is 2 days, but if not vaccinated, it's 3 days? Um that math doesn't quite add up to me Yeah...that's what I think, too. ....but I guess the good news is that it seems as though there is now an option to test pre-arrival OR at arrival where there was only the option to test pre-arrival before. BrianB and ellcee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooch Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 Where are you seeing this on CC? And are you hiding under another name there??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianB Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 I think it would be good to have a contractor at the pier performing viral testing for those who arrive without a test result…even for a reasonable fee. That would help those who don’t get their private test results back in time, and just show up thinking they can board anyway. JimnKathy, RWDW1204, De-nice and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 12 minutes ago, WAAAYTOOO said: Yeah...that's what I think, too. ....but I guess the good news is that it seems as though there is now an option to test pre-arrival OR at arrival where there was only the option to test pre-arrival before. That would cause a bit of consternation if the unvaccinated can walk right on while the vaccinated have to wait for test results ellcee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooch Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 Doesn’t say the unvaccinated can walk right on. Says Viral (NAAT recommended) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted August 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 Here is the link. This CDC guidance was updated yesterday, 8-27-21 https://www.cdc.gov/quarantine/cruise/covid19-operations-manual-cso.html#screening-of-embarking-passengers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 13 minutes ago, Pooch said: Doesn’t say the unvaccinated can walk right on. Says Viral (NAAT recommended) I'm saying if the vaccinated person choses to just get tested at check-in instead of trying to rush a test 2 days prior. But I sure as heck would be stocking up on the Binax tests Pooch and WAAAYTOOO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted August 28, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 It looks like vaccinated have a choice to use the home proctored test but unvaxxed do not. Since unvaxxed can only mean children under 12 (since no other unvaxxed are allowed) then kids will not be able to use the home test...which totally sucks. At least, that is the way I am reading it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG Cruiser Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 I asked about timing at my local CVS. They said for the PCR test, there's a 2-3 wait time for the results. How will that fit into the "two days before departure" requirement? The lady I asked did not know the wait times for the antigen test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 Actually, looks like the CDC wants all unvaxxed tested at check-in too (which of course those under 12 already get tested on RC) CDC is just off their rocker at this point. With so few positives found pre-cruise or on board combined with the fact we're deep into delta right now, not at the start (and onboard issues haven't changed), trying to make testing more strict is just trying to pile on. Neesa, SebagoSue, jticarruthers and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooch Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 That link is from the CDC. Do we have confirmation from RCCL that passengers can get tested at the pier? And is this on their dime or our own? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordell1 Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 Per Matt's write up, the CDC has some new recommendations on Masks. CDC wants cruise lines to reconsider mask policies on cruise ships | Royal Caribbean Blog I sincerely hope that RCI ignores these recommendations. I am not willing to wear a mask at all times while on the ship (which is what it sounds like the CDC wants) - this would cause me to reconsider future cruises. Neesa and Dan Curtis 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 28, 2021 Report Share Posted August 28, 2021 57 minutes ago, Pooch said: Do we have confirmation from RCCL that passengers can get tested at the pier? And is this on their dime or our own? No, testing is NOT available for vaccinated at the pier. They're only offering tests at pier for unvaccinated because they have to pay out of pocket extra for it. ellcee 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jticarruthers Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 So it appears that as per usual its a total mess, just had dinner with my cruise buddy who was explaining the latest updates exactly opposite of this thread And we wonder why non cruise junkies are confused ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, wordell1 said: Per Matt's write up, the CDC has some new recommendations on Masks. CDC wants cruise lines to reconsider mask policies on cruise ships | Royal Caribbean Blog I sincerely hope that RCI ignores these recommendations. I am not willing to wear a mask at all times while on the ship (which is what it sounds like the CDC wants) - this would cause me to reconsider future cruises. Yet another CDC attempt to discourage cruising. Hope the cruise lines give them the middle finger on this one. There has not been a problematic “outbreak” on any ship to resort to this new “recommendation.” CDC trying sooooooo hard to remain relevant. SebagoSue, Snotarni, wordell1 and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisellama Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 Nuts! If VAXED now a 2 day set back? Non-vax gets 3? I'm hoping Smokeybandits post is showing reality. The lines will obviously need to publish the official protocols. Pier testing need to be made available if these timelines get compressed more. RWDW1204 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisellama Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 hours ago, BrianB said: I think it would be good to have a contractor at the pier performing viral testing for those who arrive without a test result…even for a reasonable fee. That would help those who don’t get their private test results back in time, and just show up thinking they can board anyway. All this added time compression stress could increase the number of drink packages. RWDW1204, BrianB, JimnKathy and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 9 minutes ago, cruisellama said: All this added time compression stress could increase the number of drink packages. "Buy a drink package, get a free covid test" The other way around works, too I guess jticarruthers, IRMO12HD, Pooch and 5 others 2 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshleyDillo Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 2 hours ago, WAAAYTOOO said: Yeah...that's what I think, too. ....but I guess the good news is that it seems as though there is now an option to test pre-arrival OR at arrival where there was only the option to test pre-arrival before. No, it's not an option, it's a CDC recommendation to either request vaccinated have a test in the 2-day window prior to sailing or they can get one on embarkation. Basically they still want the unvaccinated tested at the pier and they want them to be tested prior to coming to the pier, but they're giving them 3 days since they're going to be tested again. I guess they feel they're giving the cruise lines a win to not have to test as many people at boarding this way. It's on the cruise lines to give the OPTION for the vaccinated to just get tested at the pier if they are going to abide by these new screening requirements. We will see how Royal decides to do handle this for the September and October cruises. Previously they have been taking the stance to go by the CDC recommendations as they've made it clear they're honoring the CSO guidelines to sail, even though the CDC added the language that the CSO is non-binding in Florida. I think the CDC exists in a vacuum where they don't realize that this type of screening testing isn't as widely available all over the country as they might think, especially with the surge in cases. PCR is a type of NAAT, but you don't find many places that offer quick results on that one, but that's the most widely available type of test, at least from my experience. But again, the lack of testing really isn't their problem. This change means even the 100% vaccinated cruise lines will require testing before sailing, although I think most of them already did. The ones like that I know of actually provide the tests at boarding at their cost already. barbeyg and cruisellama 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisellama Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 Crazy churn; probably best to ignore these ever-changing CDC proclamations it until I'm a month out from my cruise. Then watch for the RCL protocol emails. BrianB, WAAAYTOOO and Neesa 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted August 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 It’s true that Royal has not changed any boarding (or masking) protocols yet, but they did indicate that they are planning on remaining in compliance with CDC recommendations. Let’s hope they reconsider this one… Jill, cruisellama and Neesa 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted August 29, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 12 minutes ago, AshleyDillo said:it's a CDC recommendation to either request vaccinated have a test in the 2-day window prior to sailing or they can get one on embarkation. This is exactly what I said. It IS an option for the vaxxed. Test 2 days prior OR at the pier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AshleyDillo Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 17 minutes ago, WAAAYTOOO said: This is exactly what I said. It IS an option for the vaxxed. Test 2 days prior OR at the pier. It isn't an option until Royal makes it an option though, and they haven't yet is what I meant We shall see what transpires over the next week If announce any changes immediately, that's going to throw a lot of folks going on cruises next weekend for a loop with not a lot of time to scramble to get tests rescheduled for a day later, especially since I know a lot of people were relying on the 3 days giving them enough time to get their PCR results back as they don't have the access to rapid tests in their area. WAAAYTOOO and Snotarni 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 39 minutes ago, AshleyDillo said: No, it's not an option, it's a CDC recommendation to either request vaccinated have a test in the 2-day window prior to sailing or they can get one on embarkation. Basically they still want the unvaccinated tested at the pier and they want them to be tested prior to coming to the pier, but they're giving them 3 days since they're going to be tested again. I guess they feel they're giving the cruise lines a win to not have to test as many people at boarding this way. It's on the cruise lines to give the OPTION for the vaccinated to just get tested at the pier if they are going to abide by these new screening requirements. We will see how Royal decides to do handle this for the September and October cruises. Previously they have been taking the stance to go by the CDC recommendations as they've made it clear they're honoring the CSO guidelines to sail, even though the CDC added the language that the CSO is non-binding in Florida. I think the CDC exists in a vacuum where they don't realize that this type of screening testing isn't as widely available all over the country as they might think, especially with the surge in cases. PCR is a type of NAAT, but you don't find many places that offer quick results on that one, but that's the most widely available type of test, at least from my experience. But again, the lack of testing really isn't their problem. This change means even the 100% vaccinated cruise lines will require testing before sailing, although I think most of them already did. The ones like that I know of actually provide the tests at boarding at their cost already. This is exactly why the CDC has done this. Testing 2 days out will make it 75% harder to cruise. That’s their goal. Pretty soon all women will have to be a 32A to sail Big Tule, IRMO12HD, Ogilthorpe and 5 others 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 If RC does make a change and you have a cruise in the next two months, I'd have those Binax tests in your shopping cart ready to purchase WAAAYTOOO, SpeedNoodles, Snotarni and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooch Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 10 hours ago, Matt said: No, testing is NOT available for vaccinated at the pier. They're only offering tests at pier for unvaccinated because they have to pay out of pocket extra for it. So this is just CDC recommendations and we are all getting wound up for nothing. teddy, cdixon22 and Snotarni 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG Cruiser Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 Have we gotten clarification of this matter? Does the process vary from port to port, ship to ship? Who can give us the answers we need? Though understandable given the present situation, it is so exasperating that Royal hasn't gotten its act together. The information from their emails, on the Royal app, and the website are not in sync. We book cruises to relax, not to be stressed out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 It’ll be interesting to see what Royal does. Richard Fain said earlier this week that Delta has impacted bookings. You add a more strict indoor mask mandate and take away a Covid test day and I’d imagine there will be more cancellations. There was just a round of cancellations due to St Thomas/Bahamas vaccine requirement. Fares right now for September and October are absolute rock bottom. Some ships are practically ghost towns. I think Odyssey just sailed with only 900 passengers. columbus_cruiser, Big Tule and jticarruthers 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianB Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 I think the last thing the cruise lines want to do is to start implementing new ‘recommendations’ which will certainly cause more bookings to be cancelled. Many people are stressing out as they weigh the risks and benefits of getting back to cruising. I think there are many who would look at these confusing and conflicting changes as ‘the last straw’ and just bail out. Wait until things settle down sometime in the future. The Delta variant has been here for some time. Surely there must be statistical evidence either way regarding the level of infections on cruise ships to warrant making any change in policies. On another note…I saw a video posted by a cruiser arriving at a port which showed a mobile Covid testing vehicle. It was like a small ice cream truck where the quick test is given to walk ups who then get their results quickly. Probably expensive…but perfect as a last resort. 4ensic and ellcee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jticarruthers Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 12 hours ago, cruisellama said: All this added time compression stress could increase the number of drink packages. Are you alllowed to buy two ? Do you get more C&A points for having the double drink package cruisellama, LonB and Mark_A 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGTLH Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 3 hours ago, Pooch said: So this is just CDC recommendations and we are all getting wound up for nothing. Recommendation for Florida sailings. However, it would be a requirement for US sailings outside of Florida. Plus the cruise lines out of Florida have been choosing to follow CSO measures on a voluntary basis. From the CSO: Added language reflecting that, as of July 23, 2021, the CSO and accompanying measures, such as technical instructions, are nonbinding recommendations for cruise ships arriving in, located within, or departing from a port in Florida. However, CDC will continue to operate the CSO as a voluntary program for such ships should they choose to follow the CSO measures on a voluntary basis. --- This section applies to cruise ships operating under the CSO, including those choosing to follow CSO measures on a voluntary basis. Why are the cruise lines out if Florida choosing to follow the CSO measures? I'm sure this letter had nothing to do with it: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flmd.388773/gov.uscourts.flmd.388773.108.1.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisellama Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 1 hour ago, jticarruthers said: Are you alllowed to buy two ? Do you get more C&A points for having the double drink package Go deluxe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianB Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 I purchased the Abbott BinaxNow 6 pack (sounds delicious, but...no) even though where I am in NJ there are plenty of available places for me to go and get a free rapid test. I keep checking availability and it seems there’s always something nearby. But…I’m not taking the chance that when the time comes for me to get that ‘three day before’ test, there happens to be something which causes a delay, or suddenly there’s limited availability resulting in me scrambling. I have quite a few cruises coming up during which time I’m pretty confident that pre-testing will still be a thing. Just like insurance, it seems to be a good investment. Hopefully I don’t need it. CrznTxn, WAAAYTOOO and IRMO12HD 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LonB Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 It's going to be difficult to get results back in two days, right? I'll do what I need to do, I'M CRUISING IN TWO WEEKS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG Cruiser Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 35 minutes ago, LonB said: It's going to be difficult to get results back in two days, right? I'll do what I need to do, I'M CRUISING IN TWO WEEKS. The antigen test results come out within 15-30 minutes of testing WAAAYTOOO, Neesa, teddy and 1 other 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedNoodles Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 17 hours ago, smokeybandit said: If RC does make a change and you have a cruise in the next two months, I'd have those Binax tests in your shopping cart ready to purchase Already done. ellcee, WAAAYTOOO and BrianB 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snotarni Posted August 29, 2021 Report Share Posted August 29, 2021 I have the Bixax’s just in case, but hoping nothing changes. We’re going on Mariner this Friday and we have Antigen tests scheduled for Tuesday am. WAAAYTOOO, LonB, IRMO12HD and 2 others 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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