PG Cruiser Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 Here we go again! https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/8218346002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancity Cruiser Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 The CDC has always said this about cruises. Even pre pandemic. Nothing new here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 Yet again no warning from the CDC for other high risk areas on land. Gotta love their devotion and fixation on one single industry. DunwoodyDad, cdixon22, barbeyg and 8 others 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
barbeyg Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 The CDC relevancy is slipping away. Gotta heap on and control the cruise lines. Forget those overbooked airlines. JLMoran, cdixon22, WAAAYTOOO and 7 others 9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG Cruiser Posted August 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 52 minutes ago, twangster said: Yet again no warning from the CDC for other high risk areas on land. Gotta love their devotion and fixation on one single industry. CDC loves Cruisers! barbeyg and WAAAYTOOO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jticarruthers Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, barbeyg said: The CDC relevancy is slipping away. Gotta heap on and control the cruise lines. Forget those overbooked airlines. Slipping away? I think its at the point that if the CDC says it your best advice is to do the opposite. 4ensic, steverk, Pattycruise and 2 others 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jticarruthers Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, PG Cruiser said: CDC loves Cruisers! CDC mission statement - keeping everyone safe to cruise again by banning cruising forever ... cmcclelland, WAAAYTOOO and Neesa 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG Cruiser Posted August 21, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 13 minutes ago, jticarruthers said: CDC mission statement - keeping everyone safe to cruise again by banning cruising forever ... The safest cruises are ships without passengers WAAAYTOOO, Neesa and jticarruthers 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Vancity Cruiser said: The CDC has always said this about cruises. Even pre pandemic. Nothing new here. Actually that part was just added Summary of Recent Changes August 20, 2021 Updated the notice to recommend travelers who are at increased risk for severe illness avoid cruise ship travel, regardless of vaccination status. WAAAYTOOO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattycruise Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 2 hours ago, twangster said: Yet again no warning from the CDC for other high risk areas on land. Gotta love their devotion and fixation on one single industry. I’m watching the morning news in NY and it’s about how Broadway is reopening. will it be every other row blocked off like it currently is on the cruises? Are they making you hand sanitizer? When you can go to indoor dining before your show, like a cruise, or go shopping in stores, like a cruise, how is it any different than a cruise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLMoran Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 32 minutes ago, Pattycruise said: will it be every other row blocked off like it currently is on the cruises? Are they making you hand sanitizer? I know that they are requiring proof of vaccination and wearing masks while inside the theater. Not sure about the hand sanitizer part, but I wouldn't be surprised if they are. So in that regard, Broadway theaters are behaving very much like the cruise industry, and probably for the same reason -- they don't want a news story about an outbreak of anything besides massive applause on opening night of Dear Evan Hanson. 34 minutes ago, Pattycruise said: When you can go to indoor dining before your show, like a cruise, or go shopping in stores, like a cruise That's not up to Broadway, that's NYC and Mayor DeBlasio's call. And the press will pick the negative angle whichever way he rolls, because if he's not choking the life out of the restaurant and hospitality industry then he's putting millions of New Yorkers' lives at risk. And if they figure out the right spin for it, he'll manage to do both at once. 4ensic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vancity Cruiser Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 2 hours ago, smokeybandit said: Actually that part was just added Summary of Recent Changes August 20, 2021 Updated the notice to recommend travelers who are at increased risk for severe illness avoid cruise ship travel, regardless of vaccination status. My point is that the CDC has always considered cruising a high risk activity and warned people against cruising. Just like they warn people about not eating any meat that isn’t well done, or touching animals, etc etc. The CDC mandate on everything has always been over the top extremely cautious. They have been an organization mostly ignored by the general population as they had no actual control and simply provided guidance that has always been over the top cautious. Its only since the pandemic that their guidance has been listened to. Even the organization seemed surprised that people were following their guidance as witnessed when the CDC’s director seemed unaware that they were the sole reason the cruise industry was shut down when she was being questioned by the Alaskan senator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffB Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 There are two possibilities that are behind this announcement. 1. The CDC is in possession of information not released to the public. This may include trend data assembled from the myriad reports on infectious disease the cruise lines are required to report both within the scope of the CSO and outside of it. Confidential infectious disease data from other countries or agencies. 2. A continuation of their usually baseless hyper-conservative approach. I favor the former with a touch of the later. IOW, the announcement is probably not without basis - I do believe the estimated R(0) or how many people can one infected person infect and the unavoidable exponential growth attendant to Delta is higher than first expected. It's a precautionary measure consistent with the CDC's tendency to be hyper-cautious. I'm on day 20 of a B3B sailing W, E and S Caribbean itineraries. We have experienced 4 COVID positives - none of them acquired aboard ship. One fully vaxed. If Celebrity Equinox, the ship I'm on, reflects cruise ship wide COVID experience - and I have no doubt that it does - unless something else the public isn't privy to is going on and it could be, this is the kind of public pressure/ media push to "do something" I've warned this group about. The pregnant question is what are line CEOs going to do with this latest CDC position in the way of PR damage control? The lines seem to have a good working relationship with the CDC. As much as I'd like them to slam the CDC. I think they'll let it slide figuring the news cycle will pass in its usual 4 days. The lines have enough to worry about than to open wounds with the CDC. cruisellama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkaczano Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 Issued on a Friday night, it’s not even on my news feed. Ironically, Carnival only serving bacon every other day amid shortage is. Probably stocks down for a day or 2, then ignored cruisellama 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevendom57 Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 According to my calculations that leaves enough people in the US who should cruise almost fill up a bass boat. But it had better be a small one. steverk, Ogilthorpe and barbeyg 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aulayan Posted August 21, 2021 Report Share Posted August 21, 2021 Dangit CDC. It's hard enough to lose this weight, now you're saying I can't go on a cruise! I dub thee 'Can't Do Cruises' Ogilthorpe 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted August 22, 2021 Report Share Posted August 22, 2021 7 hours ago, Jkaczano said: Issued on a Friday night, it’s not even on my news feed. Ironically, Carnival only serving bacon every other day amid shortage is. Probably stocks down for a day or 2, then ignored Holy crap there’s a bacon shortage? Jkaczano, JLMoran, Neesa and 3 others 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLMoran Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/21/2021 at 8:21 PM, Jill said: Holy crap there’s a bacon shortage? Jill and teddy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrznTxn Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Must be why they were so stingy with the bacon in Windjammer on our Adventure cruise. They were only giving out one at a time from a small stack and seemed hesitant to add more when requested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattycruise Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 17 minutes ago, CrznTxn said: Must be why they were so stingy with the bacon in Windjammer on our Adventure cruise. They were only giving out one at a time from a small stack and seemed hesitant to add more when requested. I know my kids are big bacon eaters, they never mentioned this “appearance of rationing” on Adventure. I’ll have to ask. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisellama Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 On 8/21/2021 at 7:21 PM, Jill said: Holy crap there’s a bacon shortage? Shortage because only vaccinated pork is allowed to board. Jill, WAAAYTOOO, JLMoran and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampurp85 Posted August 23, 2021 Report Share Posted August 23, 2021 Pigs have to be vaxxed and get booster shots before they can kill and serve. CDC mandates it. cruisellama, WAAAYTOOO, stevendom57 and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisellama Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 Here's an interesting site with statistics comparing cruise ship infections for '20 vs '21. Although early in the return to sail, 2021 is looking great compared to what happened in '20 when the world didn't know what's going on. Tables are by year and highlight infection by line and ship. Seems like the lines are on the right track. https://www.cruisemapper.com/coronavirus Neesa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 26, 2021 Report Share Posted August 26, 2021 It's hard to call any cases found on board in 2021 an "outbreak" teddy, JasonOasis, Neesa and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 On 8/25/2021 at 8:52 PM, smokeybandit said: It's hard to call any cases found on board in 2021 an "outbreak" The media doesn't understand this statement. JimnKathy and barbeyg 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG Cruiser Posted August 27, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 On 8/25/2021 at 8:52 PM, smokeybandit said: It's hard to call any cases found on board in 2021 an "outbreak" 3 hours ago, Matt said: The media doesn't understand this statement. The media cannot stand this understatement barbeyg and WAAAYTOOO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimnKathy Posted August 27, 2021 Report Share Posted August 27, 2021 3 hours ago, Matt said: The media doesn't understand this statement. Ikr. I still frequently run into folks who insist that cruise ships are proverbial "floating petri dishes". Of course, when I ask them if they've ever been on a cruise before and/or if they're familiar with the safety protocols onboard a ship, the answer is ALWAYS "No." teddy, 4ensic, Big Tule and 2 others 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CHRIS WONG Posted September 1, 2021 Report Share Posted September 1, 2021 Every passenger I've spoke to here onboard Odyssey, feels very safe and are having a great time! SpeedNoodles, WAAAYTOOO, SPS and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bretts173 Posted September 2, 2021 Report Share Posted September 2, 2021 You have to remember you are speaking to the converted on this forum. The wider world out there sees things differently and how things are presented to them and for a great many cruises are on the black list. It's like (for example) trying to get a staunch Democrat to agree with even the worlds best policy if put forward by a Republican (or vice versa) or an antivaxer agreeing to get the jab even if 99% of the worlds doctors or scientists were to push it. Social Media has only mad this worse. JimnKathy and jticarruthers 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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