Cruising With JT Posted August 11, 2021 Report Share Posted August 11, 2021 So like many out there, I am concerned that the Delta variant will throw the travel industry back into what it was when the pandemic first started, as the peak has not yet happened. Honestly hard to see this thing slowing down in Fall and Winter. I cancelled my November and December cruises, and am instead now going twice in August, then mid-September, and then again in October, avoiding the peak of Fall/early Winter. Anyone else changing their plans just so they can be out at sea, confidently? Who knows what a few months will look like from now! Baked Alaska 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Linda R Posted August 11, 2021 Report Share Posted August 11, 2021 I have not changed any of my cruises. My Sept was just cancelled so booked another cruise in October. And have B2B in December, January, March and April cruises. I have no plans to change any of them. Hoping for the best. Neesa and Cruising With JT 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cruising With JT Posted August 11, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 11, 2021 Awesome, I hope it all works out!! I have one booked in February and April 2022 as well but am avoiding the "bad" months for cold/flu/Covid season Nov-Jan. Linda R 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 11, 2021 Report Share Posted August 11, 2021 44 states (including DC and PR) have seen peaks in their reproductive rates, which means cases will start dropping soon nationwide. This is consistent with how Delta ran its course in other countries. https://covidestim.org/ Linda R, jticarruthers, UNCFanatik and 4 others 6 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooch Posted August 11, 2021 Report Share Posted August 11, 2021 From your mouth to God’s ear!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted August 12, 2021 Report Share Posted August 12, 2021 Absolutely not ! DublinFC and Neesa 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxFan Posted August 13, 2021 Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 On 8/11/2021 at 5:13 PM, smokeybandit said: 44 states (including DC and PR) have seen peaks in their reproductive rates, which means cases will start dropping soon nationwide. This is consistent with how Delta ran its course in other countries. https://covidestim.org/ I'm trying to wrap my head around how the R0 for Florida has apparently dropped below the magic number of 1 yet case load is continuing to increase. (so far) In regards to COVID and any seasonality, we only have 18 months under our belt. I don't think we can learn much about how seasonal it may be. I'm keeping my January sailing, if its anything like last year it should be at the peak of the holiday surge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 13, 2021 Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 9 minutes ago, WhiteSoxFan said: I'm trying to wrap my head around how the R0 for Florida has apparently dropped below the magic number of 1 yet case load is continuing to increase. (so far) In regards to COVID and any seasonality, we only have 18 months under our belt. I don't think we can learn much about how seasonal it may be. I'm keeping my January sailing, if its anything like last year it should be at the peak of the holiday surge. Because it takes an average of 5 and up to 14 days for covid to do its thing after you've been exposed. Think of it like a flash flood. Even though the massive rain storm might have ended a couple miles upstream, it'll still be flooding for a while as the run off continues to go into the streams mjb1127, teddy and Baked Alaska 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DublinFC Posted August 13, 2021 Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 On 8/11/2021 at 5:41 PM, Cruising With JT said: So like many out there, I am concerned that the Delta variant will throw the travel industry back into what it was when the pandemic first started, as the peak has not yet happened. Honestly hard to see this thing slowing down in Fall and Winter. I cancelled my November and December cruises, and am instead now going twice in August, then mid-September, and then again in October, avoiding the peak of Fall/early Winter. Anyone else changing their plans just so they can be out at sea, confidently? Who knows what a few months will look like from now! Nope, we are sailing in Dec. The cruise lines are showing they can handle people testing positive onboard. IF the cruise lines are unfairly shutdown again, then we will find something else to do. WAAAYTOOO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteSoxFan Posted August 13, 2021 Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 1 hour ago, smokeybandit said: Because it takes an average of 5 and up to 14 days for covid to do its thing after you've been exposed. Think of it like a flash flood. Even though the massive rain storm might have ended a couple miles upstream, it'll still be flooding for a while as the run off continues to go into the streams Makes sense. I'm curious how they determine the current R0. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pattycruise Posted August 13, 2021 Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 On 8/11/2021 at 6:13 PM, smokeybandit said: 44 states (including DC and PR) have seen peaks in their reproductive rates, which means cases will start dropping soon nationwide. This is consistent with how Delta ran its course in other countries. https://covidestim.org/ That’s what I’m thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswallow Posted August 13, 2021 Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 On 8/11/2021 at 6:13 PM, smokeybandit said: https://covidestim.org/ I'm still trying to wrap my head around how Yale, Harvard and Stanford would choose a color scale for such a map that goes from brown/deep red for NO infections through blue-ish white for 1,000/100K infections or higher. It's backwards for any normal human expectation where red=bad/worse. And I am not sure it offers an easy way to show no data available versus actual 0 infections, either. WAAAYTOOO and Baked Alaska 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisellama Posted August 13, 2021 Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 Staying the course. Have a 6 booked, but I will book no more until I get one of my current trips complete. If these restrictions (masks, tests) continue until late '22, I won't book new ones until the restrictions are phasing out. Neesa, WAAAYTOOO and barbeyg 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlena Posted August 13, 2021 Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 We probably have to switch our symphony sailing at end Nov. It seems like our schools are saying unvaccinated kids can not go back to school after travel AND they will not provide distance learning for these kids. Week before Christmas break may be our only option... WAAAYTOOO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 13, 2021 Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 15 minutes ago, Marlena said: It seems like our schools are saying unvaccinated kids can not go back to school after travel That sounds illegal, a school dictating the behaviors of people outside of school. WAAAYTOOO, Neesa and Baked Alaska 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG Cruiser Posted August 13, 2021 Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 The first of six cruises I’ve booked sails on October 18th this year. I’m hoping this surge has somehow subsided by then. Unless the Labor Day weekend causes another surge. I’ve come to the conclusion that every holiday weekend causes a surge in cases. They’re not saying this but I believe this latest surge was brought about by the 4th of July weekend. See the numbers two weeks after the 4th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlena Posted August 13, 2021 Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 16 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: That sounds illegal, a school dictating the behaviors of people outside of school. It goes with the gouvernment. An unvaccinated child coming back from out of country does NOT need to quarantine but can not be in big group settings such as school or daycare. So basically its quarantine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 13, 2021 Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Marlena said: It goes with the gouvernment. An unvaccinated child coming back from out of country does NOT need to quarantine but can not be in big group settings such as school or daycare. So basically its quarantine. Here are the CDC rules on international unvaccinated: After you travel: Get tested with a viral test 3-5 days after travel AND stay home and self-quarantine for a full 7 days after travel. Even if you test negative, stay home and self-quarantine for the full 7 days. If your test is positive, isolate yourself to protect others from getting infected. If you don’t get tested, stay home and self-quarantine for 10 days after travel. Avoid being around people who are at increased risk for severe illness for 14 days, whether you get tested or not. Self-monitor for COVID-19 symptoms; isolate and get tested if you develop symptoms. Follow all state and local recommendations or requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marlena Posted August 13, 2021 Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 59 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: Here are the CDC rules on international unvaccinated: After you travel: Get tested with a viral test 3-5 days after travel AND stay home and self-quarantine for a full 7 days after travel. Even if you test negative, stay home and self-quarantine for the full 7 days. If your test is positive, isolate yourself to protect others from getting infected. If you don’t get tested, stay home and self-quarantine for 10 days after travel. Avoid being around people who are at increased risk for severe illness for 14 days, whether you get tested or not. Self-monitor for COVID-19 symptoms; isolate and get tested if you develop symptoms. Follow all state and local recommendations or requirements. I think my Canadian rules are different. But either way it’s nothing good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 13, 2021 Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 11 minutes ago, Marlena said: I think my Canadian rules are different. But either way it’s nothing good. Oh, Canadian rules. Yeah, likely more strict. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampurp85 Posted August 13, 2021 Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 I am going Oct 31st and then in Jan, I seriously doubt they will shut anything back down. I just think it will be restrictions, I am okay with test and mask. All my sailings are jr. suites or higher until May 22' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonOasis Posted August 13, 2021 Report Share Posted August 13, 2021 No I'm not changing any of my cruises scheduled COVID isn't going anywhere and neither am I. At this point the way I see it we both are going to have to learn to coexist and I don't see cruise lines shutting down again over COVID concerns. I'm fully vaccinated, I still exercise caution and mask up when I think it is necessary and as my October cruise get closer I'll take even more precautions to make sure I protect myself from Delta and don't pop positive days before my cruise I refuse to live in fear of this virus. I respect the virus but I will not live in fear of it I'm not changing anything. wnoble1967, Ampurp85, BrianB and 3 others 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wnoble1967 Posted August 14, 2021 Report Share Posted August 14, 2021 I agree with Jason Oasis, I had Covid bad, back in December, I had the Moderna Vaccine and I am finding a way to coexist. I am so done living In fear. The only way I am not going on my cruise to the Mediterranean mid October is if country's shut down and we can't go. Spain's numbers were horrific at the beginning of July, and now their in the down turn. Infection rate will continue to fluctuate for a long time. Until we get to some kind of heard immunity we will continue to see delta foxtrot golf India Lima or any other variant they can name with the phonetic alphabet until we get to where we need to be to stop the spread. It is what it is. Long story short I just need a vacation..... Linda R, WAAAYTOOO and JasonOasis 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Traveler Posted August 14, 2021 Report Share Posted August 14, 2021 Currently not changing any plans , we do not know when the C19 will go away (if ever) so for now we need to learn how to coexist with it. Baked Alaska, JeffB and Linda R 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrianB Posted August 14, 2021 Report Share Posted August 14, 2021 Not only am I not canceling, but I booked my usual amount (and then some) over the fall, winter and spring. I especially love winter cruising from NJ. Easy drive to the port and then bon voyage! I realize there will be set backs and uncertainty in the future, but I’ll deal with it when it happens. I take reasonable precautions, especially prior to a cruise, and I have an annual insurance policy with Covid riders. I love Royal’s Cruise with Confidence program so I made sure I booked as much as I can during the eligibility period which ends Aug 31, unless extended again. I hope the back end gets extended beyond April 30. I’m fortunate that I can take advantage of the program and think of it as an investment. If the cruise is cancelled, I get 125% FCC. On the other hand, I can cancel for any reason up to two days before and get a full refund FCC. I sympathize with those who can only do a cruise or two and have to balance work and family schedules…flights and hotel…there’s so much stress and worry. Fortunately, I’m able to freely indulge my cruise addiction. Bottom line for me is…I’ve been through a lot in life and it is what it is. I could quote the line from Shawshank Redemption but that would be too corny. Good health, good luck and enjoy! Baked Alaska and WAAAYTOOO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted August 14, 2021 Report Share Posted August 14, 2021 At this point, if I were to book any more cruises I am not sure if I would be eligible for a full cash refund using the "vaccine protocol" exception. All of the bookings that I now have were made before all of the vaccine requirements were in place. I can honestly and fairly say that the situation has completely changed since I booked my cruise. If I book now, I cannot say that. I need to be able to qualify (even if it is only in my own mind !!) for a full cash refund. No more FCC's for me. Of course, Royal might change their policy on getting cash refunds for unacceptable vaccine protocols and if they do then I may have a fight on my hands but at LEAST I can claim that the policy in place at the time I booked did not have all of these vaccination requirements. I am not booking ANY new cruises (still have 23 of my 30 on the books, but many of them are in very serious jeopardy at the moment). I still have 4 "free" casino cruises to book by 3-31-22 and I will not even be booking those. Neesa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooch Posted August 14, 2021 Report Share Posted August 14, 2021 23 minutes ago, WAAAYTOOO said: At this point, if I were to book any more cruises I am not sure if I would be eligible for a full cash refund using the "vaccine protocol" exception. All of the bookings that I now have were made before all of the vaccine requirements were in place. I can honestly and fairly say that the situation has completely changed since I booked my cruise. If I book now, I cannot say that. I need to be able to qualify (even if it is only in my own mind !!) for a full cash refund. No more FCC's for me. Of course, Royal might change their policy on getting cash refunds for unacceptable vaccine protocols and if they do then I may have a fight on my hands but at LEAST I can claim that the policy in place at the time I booked did not have all of these vaccination requirements. I am not booking ANY new cruises (still have 23 of my 30 on the books, but many of them are in very serious jeopardy at the moment). I still have 4 "free" casino cruises to book by 3-31-22 and I will not even be booking those. My goodness! Will you ever be on dry land??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WAAAYTOOO Posted August 14, 2021 Report Share Posted August 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, Pooch said: My goodness! Will you ever be on dry land??? The real question is....will I ever be back on a cruise ?? LOL It's not looking too good, TBH Poolside, Ampurp85, BrianB and 2 others 2 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooch Posted August 14, 2021 Report Share Posted August 14, 2021 You have to!!! I so need to meet you SpeedNoodles, WAAAYTOOO, Neesa and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jill Posted August 15, 2021 Report Share Posted August 15, 2021 We’re not moving any. We cruise in the spring and fall, outside of cough/cold season. I just read a commentary from a doc that has a podcast about why Florida cases are so high. His thoughts are that Florida is experiencing their “winter” right now. It’s so hot that people are indoors in the AC where the air is drier which allows virus particles to circulate. Makes sense to me and I expect our cases to go low again once the weather gets cooler. We were very low up until July 4 and usually around the end of July, all of august into early September we start to see our heat indexes into the 100’s. Anyhoo, we have this October, March, May and October 2022 booked and we’re going! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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