AshleyDillo Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 Yes, I am glad that the CDC has saved us from ourselves by not allowing us to cruise or buy prairie dogs. teddy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 10 hours ago, AshleyDillo said: Yes, I am glad that the CDC has saved us from ourselves by not allowing us to cruise or buy prairie dogs. Don't forget their sage advice not to kiss chickens recently. That was a close call. WAAAYTOOO, teddy, jticarruthers and 4 others 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswallow Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 The State of Florida filed their response to NCLH's motion for preliminary injunction.Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings Ltd et al v. Rivkees, M.D. (1:21-cv-22492) (2150.com) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisinghawg Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 By the way, where are all of the NCL ships? I see the two in Miami but where are the rest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LizzyBee23 Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 On 7/16/2021 at 5:25 AM, twangster said: Don't forget their sage advice not to kiss chickens recently. That was a close call. People are literally "rescuing" wild squirrels and bringing them indoors on my nextdoor feed. We do collectively make some dumb decisions from time to time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswallow Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 1 hour ago, cruisinghawg said: By the way, where are all of the NCL ships? I see the two in Miami but where are the rest? Neesa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisinghawg Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 11 hours ago, dswallow said: Wow Thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMarc Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 On 7/16/2021 at 5:25 AM, twangster said: Don't forget their sage advice not to kiss chickens recently. That was a close call. It is easy to try and make fun of the CDC on issues like this, especially when you don't add the context. There has been a salmonella outbreak, and while you might not know it, many people have chickens that they keep as pets, and they pick up chickens from their flocks and treat them as many would treat dogs. The full sentence, out of a much longer document was Don’t kiss or snuggle backyard poultry, and don’t eat or drink around them. This can spread Salmonella germs to your mouth and make you sick. So don't be so quick to make fun of an orginazation just doing it's job. You may not believe this, but there are a lot of people who can't understand what the CDC's job is and tend to ignore them if they are too general or even when they are very specific. Even when there are things that people with simple common sense should do or not do, the CDC has to tell them, and many still can't figure it out. Kathleen and WAAAYTOOO 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNCFanatik Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 Other CDC recommendations: 1. Dont eat raw dough 2. FDA recommends ground beef cooked to 155 degrees CDC says 160 3. No runny eggs. "Cook eggs until the yolks and whites are firm." 4. If you are a woman you shouldnt have more than 1 alcoholic drink a day, men get 2 alcoholic drinks a day. (so much for that drink package) 5. Make sure you are supervising your children so their pets dont lick their faces 6. Steaks should not be cooked to less then medium temp. 7. Throw out food left unrefrigerated after 2 hours 8. No sushi. Should the cruise lines follow all the above CDC recommendations as well? teddy, TXcruzer and jticarruthers 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevendom57 Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 21 minutes ago, UNCFanatik said: 8. No sushi. You convinced me that the CDC knows what it is doing. Vancity Cruiser, jticarruthers, UNCFanatik and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate91 Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 Keep it on cruises or we're going to have another thread lockdown...we're all tired of lockdowns! cdixon22 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrMarc Posted July 28, 2021 Report Share Posted July 28, 2021 10 minutes ago, nate91 said: Keep it on cruises or we're going to have another thread lockdown...we're all tired of lockdowns! My bad, but some of these comparisons..... Well, I guess I should just stop reading for a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGTLH Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 On 7/27/2021 at 8:06 PM, dswallow said: The State of Florida filed their response to NCLH's motion for preliminary injunction.Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings Ltd et al v. Rivkees, M.D. (1:21-cv-22492) (2150.com) NCL has filed their reply to Florida's response: https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.596136/gov.uscourts.flsd.596136.35.0.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswallow Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 NCLH also has filed their reply to the motion to transfer the case to the Middle District.https://www.2150.com/files/cc/1-21-cv-22492-KMW-CMM/36_051123645646_ResponseInOpposition.pdf (Everything: Norwegian Cruise Line Holdings Ltd et al v. Rivkees, M.D. (1:21-cv-22492) (2150.com)) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 If I'm reading this right, it sounds like NCL's response is all about fighting a change in venue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGTLH Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, Matt said: If I'm reading this right, it sounds like NCL's response is all about fighting a change in venue? Correct, https://www.2150.com/files/cc/1-21-cv-22492-KMW-CMM/36_051123645646_ResponseInOpposition.pdf is a response to https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.596136/gov.uscourts.flsd.596136.28.0.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted July 30, 2021 Report Share Posted July 30, 2021 10 minutes ago, CGTLH said: Correct Thanks, had to make sure I wasn't missing something juicy WAAAYTOOO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisinghawg Posted July 31, 2021 Report Share Posted July 31, 2021 The state trying to get to Merryday's court? JeffB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGTLH Posted August 5, 2021 Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 FYI: The preliminary injunction hearing scheduled for August 6, 2021 at 10:00 AM will be conducted by videoconference. Interested members of the public are welcome to observe the proceeding. Details for access can be found at: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60053753/norwegian-cruise-line-holdings-ltd-v-rivkees-md/#entry-41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 5, 2021 14 minutes ago, CGTLH said: FYI: The preliminary injunction hearing scheduled for August 6, 2021 at 10:00 AM will be conducted by videoconference. Interested members of the public are welcome to observe the proceeding. Details for access can be found at: https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/60053753/norwegian-cruise-line-holdings-ltd-v-rivkees-md/#entry-41 "Observers are reminded of the general prohibition against photographing, recording, live streaming and rebroadcasting of court proceedings."Isn't watching it on zoom technically live streaming? WAAAYTOOO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jticarruthers Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 14 hours ago, smokeybandit said: "Observers are reminded of the general prohibition against photographing, recording, live streaming and rebroadcasting of court proceedings."Isn't watching it on zoom technically live streaming? This is the government, i still have to fax them documents because they don't recognize any of the superior forms of communication invented since then ... even when they email me the request to fax them the completed paperwork. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 16 hours ago, CGTLH said: Interested members of the public are welcome to observe the proceeding. MrMarc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 This is live now. Prepare to be put to sleep, I assume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 First key info coming out of the hearing: the court reporter doesn't like fast talking lawyers and she'll kick the ass of the lawyer who doesn't slow down. WAAAYTOOO, teddy and barbeyg 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 There's way more back and forth in opening arguments than I've ever seen in Law & Order. The prohibition on recording is interesting. If I was in court, I could jot down notes, no? Anywho, which one of you will bail me out of jail? Asking for a friend. BeachGal, SpeedNoodles, WAAAYTOOO and 1 other 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 So far it's been bickering between NCL and the judge about what the Florida law actually means and doesn't mean WAAAYTOOO 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 Some weak or at least circumstantial arguments by NCL so far. I'll be curious how FL counters them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 One argument is that schools can require vaccines. Another that can easily be refuted since there are ways to still attend school without vaccinations, just you have to fill out extra paperwork. Challenging the law is a good thing to challenge, but NCL sure isn't giving any compelling reasons why it should be shot down. The lawyer just keeps jumping all over the place in his arguments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 FL is responding now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 41 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: Challenging the law is a good thing to challenge, but NCL sure isn't giving any compelling reasons why it should be shot down. The lawyer just keeps jumping all over the place in his arguments. It seems NCL has two primary arguments: first amendment and commerce clause Florida is essentially arguing the CDC is out of place, not that their state law is legal or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 Lots of tangents discussing FL vs. CDC and the role of the CSO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 The FL attorney seems unprepared to answer questions about some of the latest news that has hit the wires, such as St Thomas's vaccine requirement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 NCL has concerns over people faking vaccination cards, though I'm not sure how that changes no matter what the law is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 Now they're discussing mud flaps on trucks. BeachGal, barbeyg, jticarruthers and 4 others 1 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 Back to rebuttal for NCL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted August 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 Hearing is over. Neither side presented a good case. I don't envy the judge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LovetoCruise87 Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 I think this is a tennis match disguised as a preliminary injunction hearing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpeedNoodles Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 4 hours ago, Matt said: Anywho, which one of you will bail me out of jail? Asking for a friend. Ha, no worries - you've seen the Insiders' ability to pull together funds in a short amount of time. WAAAYTOOO and Matt 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffB Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 5 hours ago, smokeybandit said: Hearing is over. Neither side presented a good case. I don't envy the judge. I didn't see the show but the Judge can sidestep a ruling on the merits (which Merryday didn't in FL v. Bacerra - he ruled and wrote that FL won). He can limit his ruling to an interpretation of the law and then cite applicable precedent. This is the first test case of a state's right in a PHE to ban what amounts to a business's rights under EEOC. I know the law, i.e., a business has an ethical, moral and legal right to impose rules that create a safe environment for employees and customers as long as they aren't discriminatory. What I don't know is on what legal basis FL claims it has the legal authority to ban businesses operating in the state from asking for proof of vaccination to enter or receive services. It's not clear that the state does not have that right. We'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesKinetic Posted August 6, 2021 Report Share Posted August 6, 2021 46 minutes ago, JeffB said: What I don't know is on what legal basis FL claims it has the legal authority to ban businesses operating in the state from asking for proof of vaccination to enter or receive services. It's not clear that the state does not have that right. As a former political science geek, I'm kind of hoping this becomes a great con law precedent. Given that (a) cruising is, by definition, international commerce and (b) the Constitution specifically gives Congress the authority to regulate such, is there wiggle room in that for a state to put in regulations of their own? My hunch is there will be a more narrow ruling, but I'd love to geek out reading a ruling that, one way or the other, sets a precedent on state oversight of cruising. JLMoran 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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