Bjn10 Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 Ok so we all know that adventure of the Seas is requiring a vaccine which I have completed. The only issue I’m not able to get a straight answer on is this In the Q&A it says that you must have your original vaccine proof the issue is I lost mine the day I got it(Long story) so I went to my local health department and had my official vaccination record printed off and signed. I’ve called and can’t get a straight answer from RC. Some reps say it’s fine others say no only the original will work I just need a straight answer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordell1 Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 6 hours ago, Bjn10 said: Ok so we all know that adventure of the Seas is requiring a vaccine which I have completed. The only issue I’m not able to get a straight answer on is this In the Q&A it says that you must have your original vaccine proof the issue is I lost mine the day I got it(Long story) so I went to my local health department and had my official vaccination record printed off and signed. I’ve called and can’t get a straight answer from RC. Some reps say it’s fine others say no only the original will work I just need a straight answer For the Bahamas passport, you will need the dates and lot numbers of your doses. I'm not sure whether they would accept what you have or not, but you can apply 2 weeks out and the approval came back in an hour for me. I am not sure about Royal Caribbean. I would ask for a CDC vaccination card from your health dept, they are kind of a big deal and I don't see why they wouldn't replace it - although I can see them being concerned about fraud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 Interview with the Carnival prez here. I expected this to be fluffy softballs, but some good info. Reading between the lines, it seems Carnival (and I assume the others) are trying to get the 95% rule tweaked, specifically as it relates to kids. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reigert2008 Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 The best thing for anyone to do after they have been vaccinated is to make sure that your primary care physician has it documented in your file They can then generate any type of proof you would need whether that be a new CDC card or a letter (depends on what you need). My PCP uses the "Epic" system so I can login to my health record and see all the vaccines i have ever received, even the COVID one(s). I get my flu shot each year at my PCP, but need to prove it to an employer, so after I get the shot, they print out a letter with the details of the shot and the dates that I then give to my employer for the file. Where I live we have 3 main health care companies, so if I have to go to one of the others for anything (mostly for the employer) then I get a copy of the documents and take it my PCP so it is all in my "real health file" in case there is an emergency. If you did not get the COVID shot(s) from your PCP organization, then you can take your CDC card to the PCP and they can scan it into your file, that is what we did for my in-laws so it now shows up in thier files. Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 When is your cruise? I'm hoping there's enough time for new protocols to get announced and things sorted out to get you a better answer closer to your sailing. I would think if you have an official document from your local health department that is signed that would suffice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjn10 Posted June 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 23 minutes ago, Matt said: When is your cruise? I'm hoping there's enough time for new protocols to get announced and things sorted out to get you a better answer closer to your sailing. I would think if you have an official document from your local health department that is signed that would suffice. Aug 13 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pooch Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 Although I have everyone’s vaccine card saved with our passports, all of our tests, vaccines, pcp & specialists visits are done in the same umbrella health care company. When I go to my patient portal or my husband’s, everything is there. I also took a picture of our cards. No sure they would help but it can’t hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steverk Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 On my celebrity millennium cruise tomorrow they are specifically asking for the original vaccine card, and an extra covid test. I say extra because sint maarten also required one. I'm not sure what they would do for a lost card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sk8erguy1978 Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 8 hours ago, Bjn10 said: Ok so we all know that adventure of the Seas is requiring a vaccine which I have completed. The only issue I’m not able to get a straight answer on is this In the Q&A it says that you must have your original vaccine proof the issue is I lost mine the day I got it(Long story) so I went to my local health department and had my official vaccination record printed off and signed. I’ve called and can’t get a straight answer from RC. Some reps say it’s fine others say no only the original will work I just need a straight answer Unfortunately, you're not going to get a straight answer from the call center. In my experience, I feel most are just "winging it" with an answer based on their understanding of a policy. That said, I agree with Matt above, if it's an official document, signed on official letter head, maybe even a stamp?, I think you'll be alright. Luckily, August is far enough out where you have time to learn from some June & July sailings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zurc Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 10 hours ago, Bjn10 said: Ok so we all know that adventure of the Seas is requiring a vaccine which I have completed. The only issue I’m not able to get a straight answer on is this In the Q&A it says that you must have your original vaccine proof the issue is I lost mine the day I got it(Long story) so I went to my local health department and had my official vaccination record printed off and signed. I’ve called and can’t get a straight answer from RC. Some reps say it’s fine others say no only the original will work I just need a straight answer @Bjn10 Have you gone back to the location where your CoVid vaccination(s) were administered, and asked for a replacement card with the dates and lot details? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 I know that the lack of clarity from RC (or anyone at this point) on vaccine proof is cloudy at best, I would think having a copy of your vaccine from your provider would be sufficient. Especially since in most states the vaccine card doesn't at all look official. JimnKathy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galveston Steve Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 Wow, it looks like the game has changed for US cruises. They used the words "strongly recommended" as far as the US vaccine requirements in today's announcement: "U.S. Health and Safety Measures Travelers can plan their cruise adventure with peace of mind knowing that all crew members will be vaccinated against COVID-19. Guests are strongly recommended to set sail fully vaccinated, if they are eligible. Those who are unvaccinated or unable to show proof of vaccination will receive a test before boarding. " JLMoran and CruiseRoyalDad 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate91 Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, Galveston Steve said: Wow, it looks like the game has changed for US cruises. They used the words "strongly recommended" as far as the US vaccine requirements in today's announcement: "U.S. Health and Safety Measures Travelers can plan their cruise adventure with peace of mind knowing that all crew members will be vaccinated against COVID-19. Guests are strongly recommended to set sail fully vaccinated, if they are eligible. Those who are unvaccinated or unable to show proof of vaccination will receive a test before boarding. " Interesting. The same thing is quoted in another thread, and it mentions "further health and safety protocols to be announced later." But the page you linked is very clear that US sailings aside from Alaska will not require the vaccine. My question is...which posting is the updated/accurate one? Galveston Steve 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate91 Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 Here is one wording: Guests are strongly recommended to set sail fully vaccinated, if they are eligible. Those who are unvaccinated or unable to verify vaccination will be required to undergo testing and follow other protocols, which will be announced at a later date. And here is the wording linked above by @Galveston Steve: Guests are strongly recommended to set sail fully vaccinated, if they are eligible. Those who are unvaccinated or unable to show proof of vaccination will receive a test before boarding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galveston Steve Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 9 minutes ago, nate91 said: Interesting. The same thing is quoted in another thread, and it mentions "further health and safety protocols to be announced later." But the page you linked is very clear that US sailings aside from Alaska will not require the vaccine. My question is...which posting is the updated/accurate one? You never know when Royal will issue a retraction and blame in intern for a typo, but if this stands it would seem to defuse the confrontation with the State of Florida regarding asking passengers for proof of vaccination. nate91 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate91 Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, Galveston Steve said: You never know when Royal will issue a retraction and blame in intern for a typo, but if this stands it would seem to defuse the confrontation with the State of Florida regarding asking passengers for proof of vaccination. Agreed. It also seems to indicate that either Royal has some sort of agreement with the CDC so that they can sail with an unvaxed ship and not require masks, or that they are certain that the CSO will be cancelled. I don't really see any other ways they can get from here to there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffB Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 I don't think this is anything new. Fain has been pretty clear that RCL is going to do test cruises to protect Royal's commitment to families and recognizing not everyone can get vaccinated. Test cruises mean a slower start and Bailey comments on that in the most recent announcement at the link above. To get the Alaska sailings going, RCL is going with a vaccination requirement. I don't think there are any misprints that have to be corrected going forward or hazy communications with regard to today's announcement by Bailey. All that remains unanswered are some of the details on health and safety protocols that will be different to those pre-pandemic. If you're going to cruise from Seattle and visit Alaskan ports, you need to be vaccinated. If you're going to sail from FL ports, you don't but it's highly recommended - and yes, dodges the Desantis bullet. Galveston Steve and nate91 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Galveston Steve Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 8 minutes ago, nate91 said: Agreed. It also seems to indicate that either Royal has some sort of agreement with the CDC so that they can sail with an unvaxed ship and not require masks, or that they are certain that the CSO will be cancelled. I don't really see any other ways they can get from here to there. Since Royal is doing simulated sailings (test cruises), the CDC does not require the 95% vaccination rate for passengers. 95% vaccination for passengers is only required if you bypass the test cruises and go straight to revenue cruises like Celebrity is doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate91 Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 12 minutes ago, Galveston Steve said: Since Royal is doing simulated sailings (test cruises), the CDC does not require the 95% vaccination rate for passengers. 95% vaccination for passengers is only required if you bypass the test cruises and go straight to revenue cruises like Celebrity is doing. I was under the impression though, that having a mask-free cruise was predicated on meeting that vaccine requirement. I also thought that I had heard that RC had announced no masks on cruises. I could be wrong on either of these points, so please correct me if I am, but if I am right, then would there be some sort of method to keep track of who's vaccinated onboard to enforce the mask requirements? If so, it seems a little Titanic with different classes of passengers! Interested to see how this all plays out! Galveston Steve and Zurc 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffB Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 Trying to keep track of all this is hard. My take is that in a hybrid passenger manifest of vaxed and unvaxed passengers worst case may apply - means everyone has to mask and distance in indoor congregate settings. Outside - no masks regardless of vaccination status. TBH, the CDC's wording on this is really slippery. They don't come out and say in one identifiable place everyone has to mask in a vaxed and unvaxed congregate setting indoors. They do say in one place that vaccinated people don't have to mask anywhere and if you're not vaccinated ..... "get vaccinated." That's plain dodging an important responsibility of the CDC. Something they have done time and time again or gotten guidance completely wrong. Later at the CDC web site at the page I'm looking at right now, they say, unvaccinated should take precautions and this is assumed, IMO, to mean you mask everywhere except outdoors. Even large gatherings outdoors get's slippery. In a crowded concert setting, for example, they suggest "taking precautions"....... I assume it means to mask but they don't say that anywhere I can find. Because, it would appear, the CDC has not laid out hard masking mandates defined by circumstance (that would seem easy to do to me), the cruise lines will have some flexibility and gives rise to the notion there will be a well defined masking protocol for the hybrid circumstance aboard ship. We don't know what it is. Patience. At least RCL has an operational plan and if you want to cruise in July or August, at least you can book. Makes Bailey's statement today that we will have further guidance on our safety measures on board before your scheduled sailing. I suspect they are working on all of this tying all available resources and data together to come up with a defensible, practical set of masking guidelines that keep them out of trouble should a SARS2 infection or worse an outbreak occurs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimnKathy Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 4 hours ago, smokeybandit said: I know that the lack of clarity from RC (or anyone at this point) on vaccine proof is cloudy at best, I would think having a copy of your vaccine from your provider would be sufficient. Especially since in most states the vaccine card doesn't at all look official. Agreed. These vaccine cards are as easy to fake as my first paper driver's license I had back in 1977. One would think a photo of the card on our phone would work just as well. 4ensic 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bjn10 Posted June 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 So finally got clarity that as long as we have proof when we were vaccinated it does not have to be the CDC card this is just used as in example KristiZ and Neesa 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icf75 Posted June 7, 2021 Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 If in Florida RCL are not able to ask the vaccine status of passengers, how will they know? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted June 7, 2021 Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 11 minutes ago, icf75 said: If in Florida RCL are not able to ask the vaccine status of passengers, how will they know? The Florida law says business cannot require the vaccine. It doesn't say they can't ask for it optionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icf75 Posted June 7, 2021 Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 Not what this says? Gov. Ron DeSantis signed a bill into law that prohibits businesses and government agencies in the state from asking people for proof — digital passport or otherwise — of a COVID-19 vaccination. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted June 7, 2021 Report Share Posted June 7, 2021 1122 (1) A business entity, as defined in s. 768.38 to include any business operating in this state, may not require patrons or customers to provide any documentation certifying COVID-19 vaccination or post-infection recovery to gain access to, entry upon, or service from the business operations in this state. stevendom57 and CruiseRoyalDad 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 Texas now has a vaccine passport ban for private sector businesses, too https://ijr.com/texas-governor-will-sign-bill-banning-vaccine-passports/ CruiseRoyalDad and WAAAYTOOO 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
icf75 Posted June 8, 2021 Report Share Posted June 8, 2021 As Fain has said this He added that there would be no additional costs for children who are not eligible for the vaccine. Do we think this will apply to UK children who most likely not be eligible by my cruise date? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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