PG Cruiser Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 With the restart of cruising just around the corner, I started checking sailings for July. I've noticed that the prices for 4-night itineraries are unusually high. Could the demand be that high for July sailings that have very slim chances of even happening? These sailings are usually in the $200-300 price range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0_0 Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 This could be a "testing the market" situation. Happens every once in a while, like in real estate, a real estate agent will price a house above market just to see if it will sell or garner interest. If it works it pushes the market up higher... Alternatively, it could be they're expecting/planning to run ships at reduced capacity and have decided to raise fares to compensate for those losses. IMO, I'd expect prices to normalize within 3-6 months for off peak sailings and maybe a year for peak time. cruisellama, LovetoCruise87 and JeffB 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLMoran Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 My assumption is that with ships on reduced capacity, it's creating artificial scarcity in cabin availability and the algorithmic pricing is jacking up the prices. Well, that and the fact that Royal seems to want to make up all of the revenue lost in 2020 before year-end 2021. ChrisK2793 and Neesa 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FionaMG Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 Since these high prices are for close-in dates that may well not sail it makes me wonder if it's a way to try and prevent people playing the system by booking a cruise they're pretty sure is not going to go in the hope of getting the 125% FCC or the chance to L&S to next year at this year's prices. DDaley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zacharius Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 9 minutes ago, JLMoran said: My assumption is that with ships on reduced capacity, it's creating artificial scarcity in cabin availability and the algorithmic pricing is jacking up the prices. Well, that and the fact that Royal seems to want to make up all of the revenue lost in 2020 before year-end 2021. Leisure travel in North America is so insanely in demand these days, I would expect high prices through 2021 for even full-capacity cruises. It's incredible. Hell, even the number of new flights airlines are adding to Florida for this summer and fall is something I have never seen before. Neesa and teddy 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fairlynew Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 Also, there's a lot of pent up demand! Neesa and KristiZ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Floski Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 Hotel prices for Port Canaveral are stupid high. A room I used to get for about $140 for Saturday night pre-cruise is now $249 for 7/31, and a whopping $349 for 3/26/22. JLMoran and Neesa 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WesKinetic Posted May 24, 2021 Report Share Posted May 24, 2021 In addition to what's mentioned above, there are a whole lot of people with FCCs they've gotten over the last 15 months burning a hole in their pockets. People are looking to get cruises booked and spend those. Neesa and dr martini 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampurp85 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 I think it is a combination of everything. Lots of inflation, loss of revenue and possible demand. I manage a restaurant, corporate didn't just do the standard 2-3% increase; every item went up by8%+. RCG has to make up for 12+ months of no revenue, doing test cruises and getting around the CSO. I think the prices will eventually meet a healthy middle but I am assuming at least not until 2022. 4ensic and Neesa 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ampurp85 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 @Floski I ran into the same issue for a Jan' 22 hotel stay in Port Canaveral. $200 a night, even with my Hilton rewards. Neesa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 We have been warned many times that prices will rise. Some of those factors were discussed last year: https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2020/06/24/expect-royal-caribbean-cruise-prices-go-soon https://www.royalcaribbeanblog.com/2020/06/24/inside-look-how-many-people-are-still-booking-royal-caribbean-cruises Neesa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Curt From Canada Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 51 minutes ago, Ampurp85 said: I think it is a combination of everything. Lots of inflation, loss of revenue and possible demand. I manage a restaurant, corporate didn't just do the standard 2-3% increase; every item went up by8%+. RCG has to make up for 12+ months of no revenue, doing test cruises and getting around the CSO. I think the prices will eventually meet a healthy middle but I am assuming at least not until 2022. I am afraid the price stabilization might not occur until 2023. All the more reason to book well in advance (the conventional wisdom). We have our 3 cruises booked for 2022 and our early 2023 booked. As soon as the later 2023’s open up we will book those as well. These days are not the ones to be sitting on the sidelines. Stay Safe, Stay Apart, Stay Connected. Curt From Canada. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevendom57 Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 9 hours ago, Floski said: Hotel prices for Port Canaveral are stupid high. I have switched to looking at BnBs. I am booking early, focusing on those that offer no cancelation penalties. Big Tule 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PG Cruiser Posted May 25, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 16 hours ago, Floski said: Hotel prices for Port Canaveral are stupid high. A room I used to get for about $140 for Saturday night pre-cruise is now $249 for 7/31, and a whopping $349 for 3/26/22. The hotel prices in Miami and Ft Lauderdale for the three nights between my sailing on Radiance and Freedom in November of this year are high as well. So I just called my TA to book another sailing on Freedom on those nights making it a B2B. Floski 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonOasis Posted May 25, 2021 Report Share Posted May 25, 2021 19 hours ago, Zacharius said: Leisure travel in North America is so insanely in demand these days, I would expect high prices through 2021 for even full-capacity cruises. It's incredible. Hell, even the number of new flights airlines are adding to Florida for this summer and fall is something I have never seen before. Exactly it all comes down to supply and demand, and it isn't just cruises charging more, customers need to be prepared to pay more for airfare, hotels, VRBO's, Airbnb's, rental cars, annything travel related is going to cost more in 2021 as more and more Americans look to make up for the vacation they didn't get to take in 2020. It would not surprise me to see cruise fares remain higher than usual until late 2022 or even early 2023 there is so much demand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VACruiser Posted May 26, 2021 Report Share Posted May 26, 2021 I've given up on cruising in the near-future as in several years, until some semblance of normalcy returns and I well know that may never happen. I went on a Vacation this year to Cocoa Beach, Florida and said numerous times how I miss cruising. But, when I go to mock-up cruises on Royal Caribbean's website I get put-off by the rise in prices so I give up and move on. I go back occasionally to mock-up more cruises only to leave thinking how crazy these prices are. Alas, I hope one day for something to change. I had two cruises that were cancelled in the past two years that I was in Crown Loft Suites and I can't touch those original prices I once had. There is an increase of about 40% so I may never get to go to the 17th floor on an Oasis Class ship if this stays at these levels. Big Tule 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswallow Posted May 27, 2021 Report Share Posted May 27, 2021 On 5/24/2021 at 8:07 AM, PG Cruiser said: With the restart of cruising just around the corner, I started checking sailings for July. I've noticed that the prices for 4-night itineraries are unusually high. Could the demand be that high for July sailings that have very slim chances of even happening? These sailings are usually in the $200-300 price range. Prices jumped in November on the first 3 of those... Prior year cruises; I would ignore the prices from after February since at that point we were affected by COVID-19. But the prices were up there until that point. Big Tule and Baked Alaska 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World_Discover Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 Hello dswallow, Your informations are very interesting. On which website can i find this graphs, for other cruises i may study or book ? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 5 hours ago, Cruise_World said: Hello dswallow, Your informations are very interesting. On which website can i find this graphs, for other cruises i may study or book ? Thanks I think he does it all manually on his end for cruises he tracks. I'll let @dswallow confirm if he has a master army of spreadsheet bots or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 21 minutes ago, Matt said: I think he does it all manually on his end for cruises he tracks. I'll let @dswallow confirm if he has a master army of spreadsheet bots or not. Matt, JLMoran and Big Tule 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brando95 Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 It's supply and demand... ships sailing at reduced capacity decreases supply and then you take into account the pent up demand means rising prices. Traditionally June and July are pretty peaks seasons so I'm not surprised that the rates have jumped. If they don't get takers at the price levels they're set at then they'll adjust to try and fill space as the sailing approaches. I'm just glad I booked my Hawaii to Vancouver repo when I saw a great price. I have a feeling that's just going to keep going up. Already have my room in Honolulu too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswallow Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 6 hours ago, Cruise_World said: Hello dswallow, Your informations are very interesting. On which website can i find this graphs, for other cruises i may study or book ? Thanks It's all fully automated but it runs on systems at home. So until I migrate it to a cloud-based location that I can access from a public web server location (and also move the code the generates that stuff into a technology that can run on such a public web server :)) it's only accessible to me. If there's something in particular you want to look at maybe I can grab it for you, or at least get some sense of the kind of thing people may want to be able to do with it. Realistically I'm about to go off on 3 weeks of cruises so nothing will happen till I return if it isn't something I can do in the next 6 days. Grabbing those graphs for any sailing is really easy though. Of course grabbing them for every sailing wouldn't be! Big Tule 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dv70 Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 https://www.cruiseplum.com/ is a pretty great resource for tracking prices. Here's a random example for Mariner 7/2/21: JimnKathy and stevendom57 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dswallow Posted June 4, 2021 Report Share Posted June 4, 2021 20 minutes ago, dv70 said: https://www.cruiseplum.com/ is a pretty great resource for tracking prices. Here's a random example for Mariner 7/2/21: Just for comparison, my version of that sailing looks like this: Raw data involved: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
World_Discover Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 Thanks dswallow, but no particular cruise in mind at the moment. Just interested as cruises will more and more start again. Thank you also dv70, a great resource indeed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeybandit Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 I must say though that I have to admire RC's marketing department for continually finding ways to make the $350 off plus 60% off second guess sale sound like a brand new sale each time comes out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gatorskin76 Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 26 minutes ago, smokeybandit said: I must say though that I have to admire RC's marketing department for continually finding ways to make the $350 off plus 60% off second guess sale sound like a brand new sale each time comes out. Yes. I particularly like that "rare" extension of the current promotion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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