Tarheel0907 Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 If the volunteers have to show proof of being fully vaccinated what’s the point of doing these simulations? Why not just skip to real cruises. They are pretty much making you go this route anyways. Cruising With JT, cruisellama and Neesa 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC Pats Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, Tarheel0907 said: If the volunteers have to show proof of being fully vaccinated what’s the point of doing these simulations? Why not just skip to real cruises. They are pretty much making you go this route anyways. It's the CDC, has anything they've said regarding cruising made sense? Cruising With JT, Heymarco and jticarruthers 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 5, 2021 Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 It's the only way a federal agency can admit they made a major blunder and got it all wrong. They come out with a revision that looks good at first but as you get closer smells a lot like processed dog food that has been processed by a dog. cruisellama, JC Pats and Neesa 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarheel0907 Posted May 5, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 5, 2021 29 minutes ago, Josh C said: It's the CDC, has anything they've said regarding cruising made sense? Nope lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JennieUnderwood Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 1 hour ago, Tarheel0907 said: If the volunteers have to show proof of being fully vaccinated what’s the point of doing these simulations? Why not just skip to real cruises. They are pretty much making you go this route anyways. My thoughts exactly ..... I'm so confused! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CruisinForABruisin Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 So they can simulate protocols and new standards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarheel0907 Posted May 6, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 24 minutes ago, CruisinForABruisin said: So they can simulate protocols and new standards I understand that but they should test non vaccine protocols. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisellama Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 25 minutes ago, CruisinForABruisin said: So they can simulate protocols and new standards I'm surprised the CDC hasn't just invented a cruising simulation so no one even has to board a ship. Then they can dial in whatever answer they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 This isn't about proving protocols work. Everyone knows they work. It's about training crew how to implement the protocols and subsequently it gives the CDC observers an opportunity to grade the crew on their performance. Did the crew implement the protocols as they said? Yes, here is your certificate. Did the ship fail to implement the protocols properly? Fail, go back and try again another day. They want only vaccinated volunteers to reduce risk as they test the ship's ability to implement the protocols. Scenario: Passenger 142 pretend you have COVID. How does the crew respond? Do they place you in quarantine? Do they contact trace properly? Are COVID tests being properly performed? They don't want live virus on the ship and an actual outbreak as they are testing the crew so they want only vaccinated volunteers for test cruises. CruisinForABruisin, PPPJJ-GCVAB, mianmike and 1 other 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cruisellama Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 15 minutes ago, twangster said: This isn't about proving protocols work. Everyone knows they work. It's about training crew how to implement the protocols and subsequently it gives the CDC observers an opportunity to grade the crew on their performance. Did the crew implement the protocols as they said? Yes, here is your certificate. Did the ship fail to implement the protocols properly? Fail, go back and try again another day. They want only vaccinated volunteers to reduce risk as they test the ship's ability to implement the protocols. Scenario: Passenger 142 pretend you have COVID. How does the crew respond? Do they place you in quarantine? Do they contact trace properly? Are COVID tests being properly performed? They don't want live virus on the ship and an actual outbreak as they are testing the crew so they want only vaccinated volunteers for test cruises. I don't want to be passenger 142, I'll would have to stay in a quarantine cabin the whole time. PPPJJ-GCVAB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 10 minutes ago, cruisellama said: I don't want to be passenger 142, I'll would have to stay in a quarantine cabin the whole time. You can be Passenger 57. The guy who refuses to wear a mask sammy79, teddy, Shari3 and 4 others 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlmondFarmer Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 2 hours ago, twangster said: You can be Passenger 57. The guy who refuses to wear a mask I was already assigned 57, not a very exciting role. My backup number is 69. I wasn’t told what task this number entails, but I’m willing to give 57 away. Neesa 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 23 minutes ago, AlmondFarmer said: I was already assigned 57, not a very exciting role. My backup number is 69. I wasn’t told what task this number entails, but I’m willing to give 57 away. Please use the roll call section to trade CDC test rolls teddy, cruisellama and Neesa 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jticarruthers Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 10 hours ago, twangster said: Scenario: Passenger 142 pretend you have COVID. How does the crew respond? Do they place you in quarantine? Do they contact trace properly? Are COVID tests being properly performed? I can be Passenger 142 ... I will pretend I'm one of the majority of people who get COVID and never know it so I'm just going to keep sitting at the pool bar enjoying the simulate scenery twangster, cruisellama and PPPJJ-GCVAB 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jticarruthers Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 3 hours ago, jticarruthers said: I can be Passenger 142 ... I will pretend I'm one of the majority of people who get COVID and never know it so I'm just going to keep sitting at the pool bar enjoying the simulate scenery Wait ugly thought ... will we be simulating attractive women in trikini's poolside or is that actually possible on a test cruise ... i think this may be relevant to twangster as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twangster Posted May 6, 2021 Report Share Posted May 6, 2021 52 minutes ago, jticarruthers said: Wait ugly thought ... will we be simulating attractive women in trikini's poolside or is that actually possible on a test cruise ... i think this may be relevant to twangster as well Don't know, don't care. I've volunteered to be passenger 57 ignoring CDC instructions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffB Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 On 5/5/2021 at 7:01 PM, Josh C said: It's the CDC, has anything they've said regarding cruising made sense? No ......... NEWS FLASH .........CDC's fabrication of data unmasked. A report this morning's NYTs details an investigative undertaking to determine the basis of the CDC claim that 10% of SARS2 transmission occurs outside. This figure was used to justify recommendations on masking in certain circumstances, e.g., youth summer camps, large outdoor gatherings, mixed outdoor gatherings of any size involving vaccinated and unvaccinated people. You'll recall the release of these recommendations prompted questions about mask wearing on the pool deck and elsewhere outside aboard a cruise ship. The NYT's investigation revealed that the data that formed the basis of the 10% SARS2 cases came from outdoor transmission were based on "a review of the data" from a single construction site in Singapore. Even then, the authors of the report did not specify if their data was outside or inside at the construction site. Just WOW. Virologists interviewed during the investigation were quoted as saying the 10% figure is wildly inaccurate. Outdoor transmission in most settings is rare ..... something less than 1%, more likely a 10th of that. I'll go further .....many observers started doubting the CDC's PH recommendations after the bungling of testing strategies and the production of test kits way back in February, 2020. The CDC's recommendations during most of the Trump administration should have been viewed with a lot of skepticism. During the Biden administration, I don't think the CDC has regained the high ground it occupied on the global health scene for decades. The sad thing about this is that their screw-ups have lead to untoward damage here in the US and globally in that many health agencies elsewhere rely upon and follow CDC recommendations. That so many of them have been wrong, horribly wrong, has spread confusion and over-reaction to the pandemic. The cruise industry's shut down and the ridiculous CSO are glaring examples. This could not have become news at a better time. May 12th. JLMoran, UNCFanatik and SebagoSue 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNCFanatik Posted May 11, 2021 Report Share Posted May 11, 2021 19 minutes ago, JeffB said: The sad thing about this is that their screw-ups have lead to untoward damage here in the US and globally in that many health agencies elsewhere rely upon and follow CDC recommendations. That so many of them have been wrong, horribly wrong, has spread confusion and over-reaction to the pandemic. The cruise industry's shut down and the ridiculous CSO are a glaring examples. This could not have become news at a better time. May 12th. Fully agree and lying and misleading the public has more to do with Vaccine Hesitancy than anything else including trying to pin it all on Tucker Carlson. The "cure" has been truly worse than the virus. Lockdowns havent been proven to stop the virus and have created a myriad of other societal issues that will be around for years long after Covid is management. Opioid abuse and deaths, suicides, mental health issues, early detection of serious diseases, the worst social experiment in history on our children and removing them from schools when not necessary are all a result of CDC "guidance". The current CDC director needs to resign or be fired. And when we talk about heard immunity, the talking heads on TV just talk about % of US population vaccinated but yet fail to take into account natural Covid immunity among the populace and people who have recovered from Covid that are not vaccinated. We are much closer to herd immunity than we are being led to believe. There are even some scientists that believe we are there already. There is ZERO valid reason why the cruise industry is shut down in the US right now. Even with an abundance of Caution, cruising should have restarted in the Spring at the latest. I hope the Judge tomorrow sees through all the lies and duplicity of the CDC and declares that the no sail order is invalid and should be lifted. No more trying to appease a political, agenda driven CDC who ignores science and data Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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